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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: pureshrooming]
    #27027510 - 11/07/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but if this was my job I could manage 200+ tubs. At a qp a tub.... I mean I already do part time 20 tubs a month and that only takes me a few hours of work I'm actually starting a project of 80 tubs starting next month gonna do a 20 tub a week cycle. Only keep the first 2 flushes.

200 tubs would be easy of it was a 24/7 job that didn't have to be hidden in a closet. I mean it's not like you have high expenses. A tub only runs about $27 each iv broke down the cost. Coir tubs and verm and spawn... All cost about $24 and if you run LC that's a unlimited supply at that point.

With 2 75x pc and a auto timer you can run 12 bags every 6 hours. At 4 runs a day.= 48 bags a day inject with 100ml of LC each after 2 weeks your ready for substrate. 14-21 days and your harvesting. Compare to weed at 4 months growth. Harvest 1 time vs. 2 to 3 times.. and I don't know about you guys but over here mushrooms whole sale is $100-260 a oz. Which about follows the weed prices at $10 a gram. I don't know what your stores are gonna sell shrooms at but in europe it's $60-$80 for a 1/8th of truffles.

The dispensary I went to in denver was expinsive I bought a 1/4 for $100!!! When I could have just found a guy in the street come to find out it's only like $40 for the same..

I'm really wanting to move up there if there is a boom I want to be in it. If not iv wasted alot of $$ and time. But it is a risk I might take soon.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes]
    #27027543 - 11/07/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You're applying retail numbers to a wholesale operation. There are a lot of hands that product will go through before it meets the end user.

The people in my area who did well with legal weed came prepared with a massive budget and facilities to do it in. The few people I've talked to who want to get into eventual legal mushrooms are coming to the table with the same.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes]
    #27027554 - 11/07/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

commercial grows won't use tubs. they'll fruit directly from bags like edible farmers or spawn to big ass beds like they do with button mushrooms.
yeah the retail price for a quarter oz of weed is $100 at the store but the grower is probably seeing less than $6 of that after all the fees and taxes. the retail stores usually make more than the growers.

nogoodnamesleft, what's your fruiting method going to be?


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27027568 - 11/07/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Were going to fill trays with a ribbon blender that were dropping grain spawn in to and then filling controlled environment rooms with pallet racks that hood the fruiting trays. We will use an intermediary room to consolidate the trays.

If you think you’re going to scale up to a commercial level and use tubs , you’re the equivalent to the pot grower I mentioned who thought scaling the way they do their 8 light closet grow up to 100+ lights, they quickly found it just doesn’t work out that way and their investors call in guys like me who are through and through professionals at not only growing but team management

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: nogoodnamesleft]
    #27027577 - 11/07/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

why don't you use disposable bags instead of trays? how are you going to wash all those trays?

1. use ribbon mixer to fill plastic bag with 3" of substrate mix
2. let it colonize for a week
3. cut off the top of the bag
4. put the bag in the fruiting room
5. ?????
6. profit
7. throw away the bag instead of washing the tray

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: mcnugget]
    #27027581 - 11/07/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I live in Oregon. Been growing cannabis my entire adult life.  Been through legalization as a principal in Washington, Oregon and California.

If your reason for moving to oregon to grow shrooms is not:

  • "I have been extremely successful at running and scaling business operations in highly regulated and fiercely competitive and oversaturated industry. 

  • I am already familiar with the specific agencies that will be regulating me. I have access to the funds required to build a state legal facility.

  • I am smarter, slicker and better situated than the exiting commercial mushroom cultivators and cannabis growers who are already there, grounded and funded and ready to eat my lunch."


Then I would say stay home and wait for your state to legalize. Lots of tears gonna fall when all is said and done.

My investment strategy in Psilocybin is only 25% focused on cultivation.  Cannabis money is looking for new things to do. Wear a helmet.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes]
    #27027583 - 11/07/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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trippytimes said:
Yeah but if this was my job I could manage 200+ tubs. At a qp a tub.... I mean I already do part time 20 tubs a month and that only takes me a few hours of work I'm actually starting a project of 80 tubs starting next month gonna do a 20 tub a week cycle. Only keep the first 2 flushes.






you sound like a great candidate for a cultivation lead hire! you would never have time to do all that and everything else you'd be doing to get a legal op off the ground.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: nmd_myco]
    #27027589 - 11/07/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:buzzaldrin:



anyways, about the chinese dragon and new tools of trade, keep us updated nomoregoodnames :thumbup:

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27027595 - 11/07/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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FriedEgg said:
commercial grows won't use tubs. they'll fruit directly from bags like edible farmers or spawn to big ass beds like they do with button mushrooms.
yeah the retail price for a quarter oz of weed is $100 at the store but the grower is probably seeing less than $6 of that after all the fees and taxes. the retail stores usually make more than the growers.

nogoodnamesleft, what's your fruiting method going to be?



Yeah I understand that as $800 a lb of weed up there is Penny's compared to $100 a 1/4....

And fruiting cubes in bags that would take alot of work compared to tubs I mean I just recently seen somebody find uline liners that are the same dimensions as pasties tubs. Why not line them with those bags then when done fruiting just toss the liner spray the tub with a hose and keep it moving? A whole grow room with racks and racks with open pits and misters would be $$$ vs. 200 tubs that's not that hard if you ask me toss liner and bags keeps the work to a minimum.

But on another note I want to know what he's doing too... That has me very curious.

I have my helper/bf to help with all this and I do have a huge idea what it is going to take as my family has there growing license and has passed their test and everything. It's a journey I'm willing to consider. The legal part is just lawyers and studying I mean my family did it with weed and it was just a bunch of headaches with just counting weights and everything. Plus all the lab testing. Getting my foot in the door won't be to hard as I have family up there that already is established. I was currently getting my dispensary licence in my state but it is worthless because there is no product to even sell since the government is trash and legalizing med weed but won't let anyone grow. Cost me 4k to get everything set up then come to find out now after 3 years we still don't have product so I sold the license and business. After fighting and fighting to even get the license and the store I had to fight to even get a location because there is certain requirements like can't be 1 mile from any school and bla bla bla.... Yeah long story.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27027608 - 11/07/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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FriedEgg said:
why don't you use disposable bags instead of trays? how are you going to wash all those trays?

1. use ribbon mixer to fill plastic bag with 3" of substrate mix
2. let it colonize for a week
3. cut off the top of the bag
4. put the bag in the fruiting room
5. ?????
6. profit
7. throw away the bag instead of washing the tray




We’re going to set the trays in plastic racks and hot pressure wash them. It’s going to be much easier to run the ribbon blender until the tray is full then slide the next one along. If I’m using a bag I’m not only putting 3” of substrate in it. I’m making a block that fills the entire bag and fruiting the entire surface area

Trippytimes I really implore you to look at commercial mushroom production

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: pureshrooming]
    #27027613 - 11/07/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The people in my area who did well with legal weed came prepared with a massive budget and facilities to do it in. The few people I've talked to who want to get into eventual legal mushrooms are coming to the table with the same.




I’m from the same triangle and I’m also the exact person you’re describing here.

Like NMD said...wear a helmet

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: nogoodnamesleft]
    #27027615 - 11/07/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

FriedEgg said:
why don't you use disposable bags instead of trays? how are you going to wash all those trays?

1. use ribbon mixer to fill plastic bag with 3" of substrate mix
2. let it colonize for a week
3. cut off the top of the bag
4. put the bag in the fruiting room
5. ?????
6. profit
7. throw away the bag instead of washing the tray




We’re going to set the trays in plastic racks and hot pressure wash them. It’s going to be much easier to run the ribbon blender until the tray is full then slide the next one along. If I’m using a bag I’m not only putting 3” of substrate in it. I’m making a block that fills the entire bag and fruiting the entire surface area

Trippytimes I really implore you to look at commercial mushroom production



I'm actually looking it up now I already know about button mushrooms and most normal scaling. But I guess my closet grows won't be that big.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes]
    #27027624 - 11/07/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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trippytimes said:
Quote:

nogoodnamesleft said:
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FriedEgg said:
why don't you use disposable bags instead of trays? how are you going to wash all those trays?

1. use ribbon mixer to fill plastic bag with 3" of substrate mix
2. let it colonize for a week
3. cut off the top of the bag
4. put the bag in the fruiting room
5. ?????
6. profit
7. throw away the bag instead of washing the tray




We’re going to set the trays in plastic racks and hot pressure wash them. It’s going to be much easier to run the ribbon blender until the tray is full then slide the next one along. If I’m using a bag I’m not only putting 3” of substrate in it. I’m making a block that fills the entire bag and fruiting the entire surface area

Trippytimes I really implore you to look at commercial mushroom production



I'm actually looking it up now I already know about button mushrooms and most normal scaling. But I guess my closet grows won't be that big.




Girl, if you know about scaling up and commercial mushroom production, I have to ask you why you want to run 200 tubs as your be all end all operation?

50 pounds from 200 tubs is only 6400 1/8ths... when were talking about marketing to the millions, 50 pounds should be a every 3 days harvest goal.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: nogoodnamesleft]
    #27027667 - 11/07/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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nogoodnamesleft said:
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trippytimes said:
Quote:

nogoodnamesleft said:
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FriedEgg said:
why don't you use disposable bags instead of trays? how are you going to wash all those trays?

1. use ribbon mixer to fill plastic bag with 3" of substrate mix
2. let it colonize for a week
3. cut off the top of the bag
4. put the bag in the fruiting room
5. ?????
6. profit
7. throw away the bag instead of washing the tray




We’re going to set the trays in plastic racks and hot pressure wash them. It’s going to be much easier to run the ribbon blender until the tray is full then slide the next one along. If I’m using a bag I’m not only putting 3” of substrate in it. I’m making a block that fills the entire bag and fruiting the entire surface area

Trippytimes I really implore you to look at commercial mushroom production



I'm actually looking it up now I already know about button mushrooms and most normal scaling. But I guess my closet grows won't be that big.




Girl, if you know about scaling up and commercial mushroom production, I have to ask you why you want to run 200 tubs as your be all end all operation?

50 pounds from 200 tubs is only 6400 1/8ths... when were talking about marketing to the millions, 50 pounds should be a every 3 days harvest goal.



That's still $192,000 at $30 a 1/8.... Lol that's more then I make in 5 years at my security job.. at $37k a year lol. I want a piece of that millions not the whole pie! Plus I like micro managing it a tub gets infection then you can toss that tub while running huge batches means huge losses.... It's nothing like growing weed where if you get the mites you can spray a "chemical" and it's all good and yes I know there is a whole huge list of stuff you can't spray on your plants and it only gets longer monthly.

If I do a operation there and it is my full time job I'm running pasty tubs 200 is just a figure and something I could do with out even breaking a sweat with 2 75x pressure canners. Like I said 2 of them can run 6 bags each is 12 bags ever 6hours so 48 bags on a timer. That's daily so 4 days your not that far off from 200.... A month you can do close to 1000 bags and with pasty tubs it's set and forget. Vs. dialing in a whole room for proper FAE. Spawn bags is alot of work also. If I can run 80tubs with a baby and a full time job and still cook dinner then yeah it's pritty streamline.

If you run top notch operations then you should know that the more streamline you make it the better results you get also if something gets messed up you can tell what happened because everything was ran all the same and you can find the vector. Efficiency in quality are what all buisness need. Schedule and disciplined is what keeps it going.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes] * 1
    #27027677 - 11/07/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That's still $192,000 at $30 a 1/8.... .




That’s fucking hilarious.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: ModularMind]
    #27027682 - 11/07/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That's still $192,000 at $30 a 1/8.... .




That’s fucking hilarious.



I thought it was. 6400 1/8's damn!


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes]
    #27027683 - 11/07/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

it is 6,400 1/8ths
50 lbs * 16 oz * 8 = 6,400

but no way are you earning $30 per 1/8th in a commercial grow.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27027687 - 11/07/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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FriedEgg said:
it is 6,400 1/8ths
50 lbs * 16 oz * 8 = 6,400

but no way are you earning $30 per 1/8th in a commercial grow.




:gooby:

Not with that attitude.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: ModularMind]
    #27027688 - 11/07/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

thats drug dealer math.

this will be highly regulated. assume you will have to have a camera in every part of your business. and some kind of tracking system to keep track of every culture or block or however they decide to tag it.

next, you're going to have to sell that "eighth" through a legitimate licensed "therapist" (not sure if you need an accredited license that requires a certain pHd or perhaps an MD.

In all liklihood this professional will buy the mushrooms from you at a wholesale price. if OLCC ganja is any indicator, that wholesale price will be about one third of what the market would be.

You will not be selling eighths out of a tie died bag at the farmwer's market.

if you just want to grow illegal mushrooms full time, oregon might be a place where you will get in less trouble if the feds don't manage to take the case. If they do, you may be made an example of. Roll of the dice.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: trippytimes]
    #27027691 - 11/07/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Lol $30/eighth. Prices in Oregon are already cheaper than that. Imagine how cheap shit will be when the market is flooded. All these outsiders gonna be headed here in covered wagons with 200 plastic tubs and a flow hood thinking this is the promised land.

Seen plenty of folks get pushed put of the weed industry by investors with deep pockets. This will be no different. Fucking Jim Belushi has a weed farm in Hood River.


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