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When will the U.S. move left of right of center? * 1
    #27026626 - 11/07/20 01:22 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago)

Let's face it, in America we have an electorate and a political system that, when it is all the way left that it goes, is still right of center. So I ask you: When will this country be ready for someone like Bernie Sanders? He was not the candidate for the simple reason that voters didn't want him, because he runs counter in his policies to their more conservative mindset. His defeat in the primaries was, whatever your rationalization, a simple exercise in democracy.

I heard John Kasich say that the left almost stole this election from Biden. I don't know whether that's true, but it does highlight and support my above points. Most Democrats are moderates, and you have to play to that if you hope to get elected. When will this change? Can it change in a culture like ours?

I would be happy if our country could catch up to Western Europe, which is infinitely more civilized and functional than we are across the pond here, at least socially. I can't help but point out that someone like Bernie would be a moderate in France or Sweden. How much longer until we catch up?

I'm glad Biden won, but I think the challenges facing him are too great to overcome. I just hope Trump doesn't run again in four years! At least, perhaps, Joe might put out the dumpster fire a little bit.

Will this country ever get out of the doldrums socioculturally?


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #27026648 - 11/07/20 01:33 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago)

We moved to the right of center like 40 years ago, sadly. The brakes on the crazy train seem to be out, and all of the great times "conservative" people reminiscent about were actually fairly left politically.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #27026658 - 11/07/20 01:37 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago)

america is a hard one to predict, since there's at minimum two clearly divided streams of politics. Personally I think the powers that be would prefer extremist right wing ideology spread than radical leftism, or even just any leftism really.
However, barring unnecessary decline or a right-wing takeover at some point, the need for left policies is becoming clearer and clearer.

I would like to believe that americans will get universal healthcare, ubi, significant taxation of the uber-wealthy and an end to corporate hegemony and influence over politics... but I really struggle to see how it will be achieved given the pitiful state of the country's labor movement and unions, the poor education of some and outright mis-education of many others, the outright fascists pushing in the exact opposite direction, religious extremists who threaten civil rights and the sustainability of industry by refusing to adapt to changing conditions...
not to mention the complete lack of class solidarity for many americans, and an open fear of collectivism or even cooperative grass-roots action that is more useful than chanting or burning Targets.

TLDR: I dunno it is sad to think about


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27026690 - 11/07/20 01:55 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

When will America do it or when will it’s government?

The populace is already left of center.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27026747 - 11/07/20 02:31 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

Good point.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27026764 - 11/07/20 02:39 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

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When will America do it or when will it’s government?

The populace is already left of center.




a good chunk of them, but sadly there's a good chunk on the opposite end of the spectrum. Honestly splitting the country in a few more manageable nations (let the middle have their backwards policies) would probably yield best results, if it was even remotely feasible.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27026830 - 11/07/20 03:08 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

I like that idea.  :thumbup:


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27027302 - 11/07/20 07:44 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

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Ezuma said:
america is a hard one to predict, since there's at minimum two clearly divided streams of politics. Personally I think the powers that be would prefer extremist right wing ideology spread than radical leftism, or even just any leftism really.
However, barring unnecessary decline or a right-wing takeover at some point, the need for left policies is becoming clearer and clearer.

TLDR: I dunno it is sad to think about



Which powers that be prefer right wing ideology? 


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Billy Ray] * 3
    #27027321 - 11/07/20 07:52 PM (25 days, 9 hours ago)

It would be a much briefer answer to ask which ones don't?


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #27027365 - 11/07/20 08:15 PM (25 days, 9 hours ago)

Our country seems to be the fixed point in which the pendulum swings....no matter the movements, a swing in the left direction, seems to form the potential energy ready to swing right. The USA will never fully realize the social aspects you seem to favor,....utill rugged individualism is no longer a heralded cum shot.... we might sway, but largely will stay in place.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27027368 - 11/07/20 08:18 PM (25 days, 9 hours ago)

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It would be a much briefer answer to ask which ones don't?



That wouldn't answer my question.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: SirTripAlot] * 3
    #27027557 - 11/07/20 10:33 PM (25 days, 7 hours ago)

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Our country seems to be the fixed point in which the pendulum swings....no matter the movements, a swing in the left direction, seems to form the potential energy ready to swing right. The USA will never fully realize the social aspects you seem to favor,....utill rugged individualism is no longer a heralded cum shot.... we might sway, but largely will stay in place.





I fear you are right. American culture, as you point out, values individualism above all else, especially any sense of community or the common good. Indeed, until this changes, the syndrome very probably will remain the same. It's not a matter of politics but culture at the core.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27027633 - 11/07/20 11:24 PM (25 days, 6 hours ago)

You can thank newt gingrich for the pendulum swing of politics the partisan lines that wont be crossed the stagnet swamp the american people are so tired of is truely of his desighn. Make everybody so sick of washington that we kickout the old and bring in the new over and over and over again.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: BeardedWizard] * 1
    #27027637 - 11/07/20 11:29 PM (25 days, 6 hours ago)

I think we would honestly all be better off with referendum style politics that way our governing body woukd be forced to listen and act on the will of the people then on their own selfserving agendas


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27027805 - 11/08/20 02:29 AM (25 days, 3 hours ago)

More government more problems IMHO.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27028574 - 11/08/20 03:02 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago)

More people;more problems.


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Enlil]
    #27028651 - 11/08/20 03:46 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago)

It's all perspective. A left leaning person living in a solidly red state will think the country is center right. A conservative person living in a solid blue state will think the country is left of center. For every valid reason a Democrat gives to prove his point. A Republican can give you a valid reason proving his point. The same goes for what politicians are responsible. Both sides of the center can validly say it's the other. This divide between left and right is made more and more wide every year.

Politics get people all fired up. All I can think of is the car scene from Fight Club, "just let go".


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: CaptainParanoid] * 1
    #27028857 - 11/08/20 05:56 PM (24 days, 11 hours ago)

On the Political Compass, Pence is as far to the right as Stalin is to the left and, drumroll, Hitler is in the middle.

Thats how far right the USA has become.

Hitler used to be all the way far right, but hes actually halfway to the right compared to Pence.

Trump openly pandered to neonazis, was endorsed by the KKK and made anitfascists public enemy no. 1

:bitchslap: REALIZE WHAT YOUR COUNTRY IS BECOMING


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Billy Ray] * 3
    #27032546 - 11/11/20 02:11 AM (22 days, 3 hours ago)

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Billy Ray said:
Quote:

Ezuma said:
america is a hard one to predict, since there's at minimum two clearly divided streams of politics. Personally I think the powers that be would prefer extremist right wing ideology spread than radical leftism, or even just any leftism really.
However, barring unnecessary decline or a right-wing takeover at some point, the need for left policies is becoming clearer and clearer.

TLDR: I dunno it is sad to think about



Which powers that be prefer right wing ideology? 




The uber-wealthy, corporations (drug companies, military contractors), private prisons, the military, banks, religious groups...


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Re: When will the U.S. move left of right of center? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27033236 - 11/11/20 01:11 PM (21 days, 16 hours ago)

^ lol for real. Like every institution with power favors the right.


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