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edgar1337
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Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) 1
#27025499 - 11/06/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The first two cakes had mycellium growth on the outside of the dunk/roll verm layer, which I've been told means inadequate FAE. So I drilled more holes, and now keep the lid not totally closed (cracked.)
Its been about 10 days for the first two cakes, and the other 2 are only about 4 days old. I got two beautiful caps like 3 days in, but that's it. It was looking so promising but then the cake that bore 2 mature shrooms in 72 hours went entirely inactive.
The humidity is usually around 80%, but sometimes falls to 70%. I mist the perlite and walls like 6 times a day. Even though the perlite is wet by touch and feels totally saturated, I (for some reason) can't get the humidity any higher. It seems like increasing FAE will cause a decrease in ability to keep humidity very high. So maybe I just haven't tuned in the SGFC.
Are there any red flags you can see from the pics? Why would a cake fruit in 3 days (two shrooms), then suddenly stop growing? What can I do?
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: edgar1337]
#27025524 - 11/06/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m a beginner here so more experienced peeps feels free to correct me if I’m wrong. I’m seeing too much space for too little cakes. I think 4 cakes in that big of a bin is not a good idea. I’m also seeing the foil beyond the cake and lots of condensation on that. I bet that’s an issue. Trim it back to the edge of the cakes. Also your holes look too small, are they 1/4 inch? Also isn’t the humidity supposed to be up in the 90s? I think 70-80% is a tad low. I think (correct me if I’m wrong folks) that the fact your container is so big is the issue with the humidity. I hope you can make some adjustments and get some good flushes! Cheers!
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: MushroomNewbie2] 1
#27025710 - 11/06/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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edgar1337 said:I mist the perlite and walls like 6 times a day. Even though the perlite is wet by touch and feels totally saturated, I (for some reason) can't get the humidity any higher. It seems like increasing FAE will cause a decrease in ability to keep humidity very high. So maybe I just haven't tuned in the SGFC.
You can't really 'tune' a SGFC since it doesn't have adjustable FAE  Also, the more 'maintenance' a fruiting setup needs to function properly the less effective it is in its ability to create/maintain desirable fruiting conditions. Needing to mist up to 6 times a day basically means that the micro climate is as far away from optimal as it can possibly get. Wild growing cubes don't require 24h 'life support' 6 times a day. On the contrary, they actually don't require any maintenence at all, they just need to be in the right environment and be left alone. The closest you will come to 'natural environment' in terms of fruiting conditions is with a Water Tub. I'm not saying you should ditch your SGFC and choose the Water Tub I'm just saying try both and see what works best for you
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: Mateja]
#27025769 - 11/06/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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its not the fc it them contamed ass cakes
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: tripdawg420]
#27025773 - 11/06/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What makes you think the cakes are contaminated?
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: Mateja]
#27025777 - 11/06/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see what they’re saying... that white stuff outside the verm doesn’t look like mycelium, it looks like some sort of blob... but I’m not sold the cakes are contaminated.
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
#27025788 - 11/06/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't see any clear signs of contamination, all I see is unhappy cakes in a harsh environment like bruising, matted myc due to too fast evaporation rates and heavy misting. As I mentioned cakes especially thrive in environments where there's minimal to no maintenence
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: Mateja]
#27025791 - 11/06/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahhh, I see. Makes sense. I hope this dude can get his cakes happy again!
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
#27025813 - 11/06/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They look healthy to me too just dry.
That chamber needs like 20 cakes in there at once.
Def humidity/water chambers would do better. Or use a smaller tub.
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: Mateja] 1
#27025970 - 11/07/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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edgar1337 said:I mist the perlite and walls like 6 times a day. Even though the perlite is wet by touch and feels totally saturated, I (for some reason) can't get the humidity any higher. It seems like increasing FAE will cause a decrease in ability to keep humidity very high. So maybe I just haven't tuned in the SGFC.
You can't really 'tune' a SGFC since it doesn't have adjustable FAE  Also, the more 'maintenance' a fruiting setup needs to function properly the less effective it is in its ability to create/maintain desirable fruiting conditions. Needing to mist up to 6 times a day basically means that the micro climate is as far away from optimal as it can possibly get. Wild growing cubes don't require 24h 'life support' 6 times a day. On the contrary, they actually don't require any maintenence at all, they just need to be in the right environment and be left alone. The closest you will come to 'natural environment' in terms of fruiting conditions is with a Water Tub. I'm not saying you should ditch your SGFC and choose the Water Tub I'm just saying try both and see what works best for you 
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: Sandstone]
#27026035 - 11/07/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's a small demonstration of a maintenence free environment as it's doing its thing on its own. The past 24h I've been observing and documenting the RH in my grow area as well as monitoring the evaporation rates off the substrate (cake) inside this 5L Water Tub. To summarize, my growing area would technically be referred to as a 'dry place' since RH is normally between 20-40%. So how often do I need to mist my cakes in this dry ass place? Once or twice throughout the cake grow or sometimes I don't even mist once inbetween multiple flushes (note the micro climate on top of the cake at all times, constituting the 'surface conditions' maintained in constant low RH without the need to mist)
These pics are from yesterday morning Nov6 08:00 o'clock
  
12h later in the evening on Nov6 20:00 o'clock
  
And 24later these pics were taken this morning 08:00 o'clock Nov7
  
FAE opening look like this. Seemingly small, these openings provide for more than enough FAE considering its on a 5L container, if a person could fit inside this tub he'd be able to breathe just fine and could even have friends over and no one would suffocate RH is low, cake is breathing/evaporating at a slow, steady pace and will probably go on to produce a full healthy flush without the need of a spray bottle.
 
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Edited by Mateja (11/07/20 02:56 AM)
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: Mateja]
#27026038 - 11/07/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edit: Unintentional double quoting myself
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Edited by Mateja (11/07/20 02:57 AM)
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Re: Whats wrong with my setup? (PF tek cakes not pinning in SGFC) [Re: A.k.a]
#27027133 - 11/07/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I think I'm going to have to make a smaller one. This is my first go.
Can these cakes be saved/salvaged? I'm wondering if I should just shred them up, mix with pasteurized coir, and put them in a Tupperware/shoe box tek kind of mini-bulk setup.
That maintenance free water chamber looks pretty cool, but not sure I'd grasp the principles of it. So far, this hobby seems very trial and error, at least if you are not doing tons of research, and even if you are, there are conflicting "answers."
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