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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27015369 - 11/01/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

They look fine as far as health goes. High spawn ratios can delay pinning and increase blobs. I would look at a 1:2 to start and increase as you move into larger sub volumes. Those are knotting already, you’ll have pins soon.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27015386 - 11/01/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Pasty. I see some knotting, but just randomly sparse only in the center. You have the TC eye, so maybe you see some knotting everywhere that I don't... but that's all I can really make out...?


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27015408 - 11/01/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Surface conditions are dry, I’d give it a light mist. RW take their time getting set up usually but is usually worth it in the long run.

Patience is important. I waited like 3 months for my zaps to pin.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27015444 - 11/01/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I gave it a misting yesterday morning, and then early this morning also. Do you think I should do it one more time before leaving for work? I was afraid of over misting and getting too wet and matting down the mycelium.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27015457 - 11/01/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Pics aren’t the best but a light one might be okay. Those shoeboxes ain’t working for you if you are misting more than once every three or four days. Either dial them in or try a different approach.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27015491 - 11/01/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure how to do that with an unmodded shoebox tek. I snapped the lid off a bit since it had started knotting some to increase FAE and evaporation. Maybe I should snap the lid back on and leave it and forget about increasing FAE...? Usually when knots occur you would increase FAE correct?

I guess tomorrow I’ll give it a heavy misting. I was going to turn the lid upside down, but that would allow even more FAE than just unsnapping the lid like I have now.

Maybe a heavy misting then just snap the lid back on?


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27015497 - 11/01/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Beats me, I run monos. I can’t get shoeboxes to work to my satisfaction.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27015595 - 11/01/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah those look fine to me, the rw is just super tomentose and grows in different than most other types I’ve done. Also I’ve had shoeboxes pin on day 9 and others three weeks it just depends what you’re working with genetically.

Did you try the flash picture to see beads?

If they’re drying out too fast and you don’t want to keep misting them sometimes moving them to another part of the room helps based on airflow. I’ve also put a plastic bag over the top and then snapped the lid over it when it was super hot/dry and I had to have the ac on 24/7 and everything was drying out like 5x as fast as usual.


If I’m home I don’t mind having to mist them twice a day cuz I figure more air is always better but it does get annoying especially if you have a bunch going.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: A.k.a]
    #27015709 - 11/01/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So you think I should keep misting for surface conditions everyday even when its knotting now? You don't get worried it will be over misting and matte any mycelium?

If I took a picture now yeah it would look like that because I misted this morning.

But I'm not sure if misting for surface conditions is a good thing now based on what Pasty just said... 

So not sure what to do/go from here...?


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27018127 - 11/02/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Pasty, is knotting always so splotchy with RW?


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: A.k.a]
    #27021219 - 11/04/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There was a green blob looking thing on the side of both of my RW shoeboxes, I figured it couldn’t be any good if there was a spot of green showing up at the side of the tub, so I threw them out. All I have left is the PESA. Fucking pissed about the RW.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27021235 - 11/04/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You sure it wasn’t bruising? A picture would have been good. RW often forms blobs.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27021734 - 11/04/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Me personally, with only several shoeboxes under my belt, haven't seen green side pin blobs before. Maybe that could of been a first for me, but side pins that I have seen come in are just like that white peach color pressed up against the tub and sub. Even with my first attempt at RW I had too high of a spawn ratio and all I got was massive blobbing everywhere all over, and didn't have something green. The fact that it was a dark green than just a bruising color also made me more worried.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27025286 - 11/06/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Man, I'm still so bothered about my RW not being successful!!! What other albinos are there I can try? I've already done AA+.

I've never seen so many pins and shrooms growing like my PESA shoebox. It hasn't even pulled off the sides yet and is already getting to be canopy level! Even though you constantly hear not to compress your sub, maybe that's the key...? I compressed this one somewhat and was worried that I ruined it, but there's only one side pins so far and that's it. Everything else is all surface. I think that compressing your sub is the key.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27025333 - 11/06/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don’t know what to tell you, try something else. RW isn’t albino either, it’s a leucistic with rust spores. My last RW tubs would start like this



And then finish like this. 4 quarts WBS is doing alright, but I’m still gonna keep an eye out for a better clone.



I might be biased but I think RW has huge potential. Either source a different spore source if you suspect a corrupt line or, do more culture work.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27025353 - 11/06/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to definitely do it again. I'm frustrated, but at the same time it motivates me more. I'm going to do it like my PESA also and compress it down. That seems to be the key that maintains perfect surface conditions and no side pinning. I don't understand why so many are against compressing the sub...?

This time I'll still use one myco quart, but then I need to use 3 to 4 times as much CVG correct? So it's 1:3 to 1:4? And the compress it down.

Sucks that I got a green blob on the side :frown:  I wonder what they would've looked like now if that never happened...


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27028046 - 11/08/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to be harvesting my first flush tonight of my PESA shoebox. Because I prepped my substrate a little more on the dry side and had compressed it, I believe it didn't have enough to support the entirety of the first flush. A lot have kind of stalled out while many more have broke their veil and starting to open their caps. I like to harvest when I have full open flat caps, it's more aesthetically pleasing to me also, so I will be letting the caps open up and flatten during the day and then harvest tonight.

I'm pretty shocked and surprised that I was able to achieve a first flush with no side pins without even using a liner! I will be dunking my sub for a couple of hours after harvesting, and was wondering is there any way to put on a liner after the first flush if I did not use one at the beginning to shrink with it? I'm sure once it is rehydrated I am thinking it is going to be side pin city.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27028087 - 11/08/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I’m not sure why you’re compressing the sub, that’s not going to be beneficial for cubes. Maybe a little push around the edges for side pins but cubes are not Hericium, they generally don’t like a compressed sub.

Adding a liner after the first flush isn’t going to do much. In this hobby it’s best to do things properly from the start, fixing things later rarely works out.


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27028104 - 11/08/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I meant like I'm compressing it down to make it level and flat. I did do that to the sides like I normally would and pack them down a little more, but that's why I was originally worried about this one, because I did it a lot more than I usually would of across the entire surface. I didn't mean it to seem like I'm compressing the sub to the point of smashing it down trying to get it as dense and hard as possible - only for flattening and leveling purposes. When I spawned I felt like maybe I had over did it, but it looks to of worked out! I'm thinking I used just the right amount. When using BOD's unmodified tek, most shoeboxes always got side pins every single time, and I asked about that in how he does that. He told me something along the lines of "you can't teach substrate depth, level, and compaction all at one time in the beginning, it needs to be learned". Anyway, it seems to of worked out while retaining perfect surface conditions; I wasn't trying to cram it into a brick or something.

However Pasty, in theory I can just line at least the very bottom of the shoebox so no pins start growing on the bottom of the tub don't you think?


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Re: RW and PESA shoeboxes [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #27028167 - 11/08/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No I don’t think. It won’t stick the same and the pins will still form if conditions are good there.


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