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Trump Lost. * 1
    #27025335 - 11/06/20 06:15 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago)

Let's be real, there's no way to victory now. Not with Georgia and Pennsylvania and Nevada and Arizona all going for Biden. It's possible that some of those will flip back to Trump, but what are the odds that they all do? Or even that a majority do? It's been a crazy ride, and it's not over yet, but I think the outcome is clear.

Actually, there are ways in which it's too bad if you ask me. As much as I might hate the way Trump acts and how he talks about staying on forever and all the other crazy shit he does and says and claims...

The fact is, I actually like a lot of his actual policies. I love how he's handled China, I love his position on the second amendment, I love his position on critical race theory, I even love the tax legislation he passed. Sure, that tax legislation cut taxes for a lot of big corporations and didn't help the middle class, but by cutting those taxes on corporations, that was like pouring gasoline onto the bonfire of our economy. If you ask me, the reason the economy has been so good these past years is largely because of that legislation. I also like how Trump always pushed back on the radical left: he was the first out there opposing the idea of defunding the police, the first to call a riot a riot, the first to oppose "autonomous zones"... Not to mention his embrace of Israel which I also like, his getting our allies to pay more into our alliances, his backing out of the New Start and other nuclear treaties with Russia, or his support for the private space flight industry.

Of course I didn't like his positions on LGBT stuff, but the fact is he never really talked about that stuff. And he never really talked much about drugs either.

And I'll miss complaining about him. I've got family members who hate his guts, and it's always a lot of fun to tear into him like a pinata. I don't know what we'll have to talk about now. Every day, we could complain about Trump, and it was some real good bonding, and I'll miss it.

On the one hand, I think it's better for American democracy to not have someone who talks about staying on forever, who talks about not having a peaceful transition of power, who openly courts and supports white supremacists, who claims election fraud, and calls for "total war" against his enemies. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having someone who pushes back on China like he did, or who is willing to upgrade our nuclear arsenal, or who opposes critical race theory and calls it out for being racist.

The fact is, someone needs to call out the crazy extremists on the left: the people who want trigger warnings, who want to hire and fire based on race (which is racist no matter what the context), who want free money for something that happened over 150 years ago, who want to dissolve the US and think we're a terrible country, who think our founding fathers are all terrible and we should destroy Mt Rushmore, who want to cancel people and shows for having the wrong opinions, who think you should silence those who disagree with you instead of debating them, who want to fire people for saying the wrong thing or thinking the wrong thing. Someone needs to push back against all that shit, and I dunno who is gonna do it now.

And worst of all, it's possible that Biden dies in the next 4 years, and we end up with Kamala fucking Harris who laughs about imprisoning pot users.

But all of that is probably preferable to having someone in power who regularly talks about staying on forever and refusing to have a peaceful transition of power and shit like that. America has no room for dictators.

Thanks for listening to my rant. What do you think? And be honest.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: nooneman] * 5
    #27025388 - 11/06/20 06:57 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago)

Trump sucks. Good riddance. Fun experiment. Time to move on.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27025410 - 11/06/20 07:13 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago)

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Sure, that tax legislation cut taxes for a lot of big corporations and didn't help the middle class, but by cutting those taxes on corporations, that was like pouring gasoline onto the bonfire of our economy. If you ask me, the reason the economy has been so good these past years is largely because of that legislation.




Whatever would we do without our oligarchs :lol:

Trump sucks, Biden sucks. I think Biden is actually happy dems didn’t make gains in the legislative branch, because now he can just blame congress for not passing anything popular


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #27025422 - 11/06/20 07:19 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago)

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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #27025453 - 11/06/20 07:36 PM (26 days, 10 hours ago)

I could not overlook Trump's serious shortcomings, no matter the outcome of his executive action. I gave him a chance to prove his mettle; it took about 2 months to come to the above conclusion.

Professional etiquette and bearing are extremely important qualities I look for in a leader...probably bias from my military past. How would you feel, walking into a courtroom and the judge was wearing a clown wig?
Thats how I felt about Trump.Add the disparaging remarks on veterans on top; there ya go.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 8
    #27025511 - 11/06/20 08:20 PM (26 days, 10 hours ago)

America is less and less the economic force it once was. That trend will continue. No leader can stop that, but a good leader can keep us respected in the global arena. Trump lost America a shitload of respect and credibility. The damage from that will last decades.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27025516 - 11/06/20 08:21 PM (26 days, 10 hours ago)

Stop spreading misinformation.

We do not need this now.

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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27025518 - 11/06/20 08:22 PM (26 days, 10 hours ago)

Name one false thing i said


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil]
    #27025525 - 11/06/20 08:26 PM (26 days, 10 hours ago)

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Name one false thing i said




Sorry. Did I direct that at you? My apologies, may I try again?

To the OP.

Stop spreading misinformation.

We do not need this now.

Please change thread title.

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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27025528 - 11/06/20 08:28 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

The thread title is accurate. And yes.. you specifically directed it to me


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil]
    #27025549 - 11/06/20 08:44 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

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The thread title is accurate.




Explain how.

Trump has lawsuits in at least three states.

Recounts in Georgia and Wisconsin.

Thread title misleading.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 4
    #27025555 - 11/06/20 08:46 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

Lawsuits aren't how elections are decided, bro. Biden doesn't need Georgia or Wisconsin to win. He lost,  dude... get over it


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: Enlil]
    #27025570 - 11/06/20 08:53 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

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Lawsuits aren't how elections are decided, bro. He doesn't need Georgia or Wisconsin to win. He lost,  dude... get over it




Interesting perspective.

Hanging chad ring any bells, Enlil?


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #27025572 - 11/06/20 08:54 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

That election was decided by votes.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: Enlil]
    #27025577 - 11/06/20 08:58 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

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That election was decided by votes.




Did they not recount?

Were there court cases involved?


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27025585 - 11/06/20 09:03 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

Every election has court cases. Courts don't decide who wins.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead]
    #27025618 - 11/06/20 09:21 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

Biden is likely to win, and i am not here to pile on Trump bc there is absolutely no point and i respect people's right to think/chose for themselves and not to make them feel like they lost, bc voting is a win in itself. The reasons people don't like Trump are alot of same the reasons people do like him, so i want to extend to him the courtesy of saying something positive about him whether that was his intention or not.

he woke alot of people up. he drew back the curtain and exposed people for who they really are, what they believe and think, and i don't know of any previous president that got so many people involved in questioning what was really happening in this country and the world.

i think he did this incredibly well and if he did provide a service, this was it. Some strange part of me is going to miss the utter chaos of waking up and wondering how he embarassed us on the world stage or if we were going to witness a nuclear war, but i will get over this.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: masspan]
    #27025692 - 11/06/20 10:15 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

Lol well, it's not over yet. Not until he actually leaves office. We won't know the ultimate outcome for sometime. He pretty clearly lost the election and is looking to undermine the results in any way that he can, so he's basically trying to sue his way into a second term now.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #27025694 - 11/06/20 10:18 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

That'll never happen.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: Enlil]
    #27025698 - 11/06/20 10:25 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

Michigan machines glitch, counting 6000 trump votes for biden.

47 counties used same software.

My mom and I voted with pen and paper. She said Soros has investments in the software.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27025699 - 11/06/20 10:26 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

Leave the conspiracy theories in the proper forum.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: Enlil]
    #27025716 - 11/06/20 10:39 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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Leave the conspiracy theories in the proper forum.




:shrug:

May I start posting links? You can search for it, many news outlets have.

Search "Michigan vote machine glitch"

I don't know who I'm supposed to be listening to, I'm new to this political stuff.


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27025720 - 11/06/20 10:42 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

Just post it in the appropriate forum like he said.


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    #27025726 - 11/06/20 10:45 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

You knew the soros claim was a lie


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27025727 - 11/06/20 10:47 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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Quote:

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Leave the conspiracy theories in the proper forum.




:shrug:

May I start posting links? You can search for it, many news outlets have.

Search "Michigan vote machine glitch"

I don't know who I'm supposed to be listening to, I'm new to this political stuff.




You can post links, but they're going to be links from nut-job sources, and again the mods will till you to move it over to conspiracy forum.


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    #27025749 - 11/06/20 11:02 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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Leave the conspiracy theories in the proper forum.




:shrug:

May I start posting links? You can search for it, many news outlets have.

Search "Michigan vote machine glitch"

I don't know who I'm supposed to be listening to, I'm new to this political stuff.




You can post links, but they're going to be links from nut-job sources, and again the mods will till you to move it over to conspiracy forum.




I agree, all the mainstream media are nut-job sources.


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    #27025753 - 11/06/20 11:03 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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You knew the soros claim was a lie



:shrug:
I wouldn't know any better. That's why there's a black box there.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: nooneman]
    #27025797 - 11/06/20 11:32 PM (26 days, 6 hours ago)

Enlil and HamHead are hijacking the fuck out of your thread nooneman, smh

i think your post is thoughtful and that if there is one thing that most sane people agree on, is that they do not want to live in fear. i personally don't want to be represented by someone who looks like they are looking for a fight, amongst other qualities, but that's not for here

the US is powerful enough to lead by example, and this does not mean letting our military crumble and take peoples guns and fire the police and all the other things we still need, this is insane and i believe it's a strong issue for Trump supporters, and for Biden supporters too, in smaller numbers, but equally as important

edit: to say this differently, i think Trump and Biden supporters, 'as a whole', support the ideas of a strong military, police, 2A, 'getting rid' of these things is never going to happen. Biden supporters probably have less guns because cities have stricter gun laws, this was what i meant for smaller numbers. i would have a gun if i did not live in a city, might sound a bit ironic

the rage and anger that have been slowly erupting and we no longer feel like we are on the same team, that's what is so fucked

there will always be conflict, if we don't work on it together that will also be fucked


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: nooneman]
    #27025820 - 11/07/20 12:15 AM (26 days, 6 hours ago)

I agree with most of your post and think it was well thought out, except the last part.

Trump was joking about staying in power forever.  Did you not watch 'Stop Making Me Defend Donald Trump!' video?  It was the very first scene.

Trump was trying to ensure our election were fair, which is reasonable after the Democratic primary fiasco.  Enlil even got tricked about what Trump's lawsuit was about.

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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27025823 - 11/07/20 12:17 AM (26 days, 6 hours ago)

Stop lying about me. I have not discussed the substance of any of the election lawsuits.


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    #27025840 - 11/07/20 12:41 AM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

If you did know what the lawsuits were about, then I apologize for saying you got tricked, but if you knew what they were about then you made a gross misrepresentation about them, which is worse than not knowing.


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    #27025845 - 11/07/20 12:45 AM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

I didn't say anything about the substance of his lawsuits. As a result I could not have misrepresented them.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27025860 - 11/07/20 01:04 AM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

why do you think Trump was 'joking' when he said that?

he's done maybe 5 things in his life that i know of that i would construe as 'funny', his cameo in Zoolander i found funny

as POTUS, was he trying to be funny and just 'joke around' about Constitutional terms limits? because that's the arena to 'joke around' in?

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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: masspan]
    #27025871 - 11/07/20 01:16 AM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

actually, this is a completely pointless argument to make, Trump can get a job in Vegas being funny and joking around someday, peace out Falcon


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: masspan]
    #27025907 - 11/07/20 02:03 AM (26 days, 4 hours ago)

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as POTUS, was he trying to be funny and just 'joke around' about Constitutional terms limits? because that's the arena to 'joke around' in?



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    #27025919 - 11/07/20 02:14 AM (26 days, 4 hours ago)

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I didn't say anything about the substance of his lawsuits. As a result I could not have misrepresented them.



Here's the relevant conversation (feel free to add anything back that you think is relevant):
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When the Dems complain about Trump trying to ensure a fair election, and then the ballot counting center does shit like this, it's almost like they're asking to be accused of cheating.

What's wrong with ensuring everything's fair, especially if you think it IS fair?  :shrug:



That's a gross misrepresentation of what Trump is trying to do....  None of that is about making the election fair, and you know it.



Trump wanted to temporarily halt the count in Michigan until observers were allowed to watch so that shit like this doesn't happen.  What's wrong with allowing people to watch?




Why did you call my statement "a gross misrepresentation of what Trump is trying to do"?  Was The Detroit News article incorrect about the lawsuit?


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Re: Trump Lost. Bigly. [Re: HamHead]
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Leave the conspiracy theories in the proper forum.




:shrug:

May I start posting links? You can search for it, many news outlets have.

Search "Michigan vote machine glitch"

I don't know who I'm supposed to be listening to, I'm new to this political stuff.




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That election was decided by votes.




Did they not recount?

Were there court cases involved?




No they did not finish the recount


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    #27026236 - 11/07/20 09:22 AM (25 days, 21 hours ago)

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Why did you call my statement "a gross misrepresentation of what Trump is trying to do"?  Was The Detroit News article incorrect about the lawsuit?



Because Trumps conduct clearly indicates that he has no interest in the election being more fair.  His only interest is in winning, and failing that, leaving him an excuse to cry foul for the rest of his life. I have no opinion about the lawsuits, nor have I read the pleadings.  My opinion is based on Trump's words and conduct over the last few days.


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These are the same thuggish techniques used during the Florida recount. Disruptive partisans who are there simply to throw a wrench in the operation.


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    #27026257 - 11/07/20 09:47 AM (25 days, 20 hours ago)

Trump needs to create the illusion that he was cheated out of the election because he simply cannot handle being beaten fairly. His narcissism is incompatible with losing.

I really don’t understand how anyone can observe his behavior and not come to the conclusion that he has a severely pathological personality.


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These are the same thuggish techniques used during the Florida recount. Disruptive partisans who are there simply to throw a wrench in the operation.




If fraud is suspected, why would one not want through investigations done?


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    #27026259 - 11/07/20 09:49 AM (25 days, 20 hours ago)

The tactic is transparently disingenuous. The only way Trump could win is if he took three states back (and PA has to be one of them).  Whining about a thousand votes here and three thousand votes there isn't going to accomplish that, even if he's correct. This is about one man's huge ego.  An ego, by the way, that couldn't accept the result of 2016 because, even though he won the election, he didn't get the most votes.

None of this is surprising.  This is the kind of man that Trump is and has been for as long as I can remember.


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These are the same thuggish techniques used during the Florida recount. Disruptive partisans who are there simply to throw a wrench in the operation.




If fraud is suspected, why would one not want through investigations done?



No one is saying that the investigations shouldn't be done.  They should be.  Trump should concede his loss like an adult and the investigations can carry on.  They won't change the outcome of the election either way, so there's no point in holding up the nation while the investigations proceed.


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These are the same thuggish techniques used during the Florida recount. Disruptive partisans who are there simply to throw a wrench in the operation.




If fraud is suspected, why would one not want through investigations done?




Those suspicions need to have some rational basis. Nobody has presented any evidence that fraud has occurred. The fact that Biden gets a lot more mail in votes than trump is simply the result of Donald trump telling his supporters to vote in person for the past six months. Trump gets a lot more of the in person votes. States like Ohio which counted the mail in votes first had a huge Biden advantage that disappeared when the in person votes started getting tallied.

There’s also nothing strange about how long this is taking. Doesn’t anyone remember it took THREE WEEKS for Michigan to be decided in the 2016 election? Most states are only 80-95% through counting the votes but nobody is paying attention because their votes aren’t close enough for what’s left to make a difference.


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    #27026292 - 11/07/20 10:15 AM (25 days, 20 hours ago)

@koods

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=PA

Seems PA has some voter fraud issues. Maybe you or Enlil can fact check some of these convictions. I don't know what sources to listen to so you two right now are my best bet.


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    #27026303 - 11/07/20 10:21 AM (25 days, 20 hours ago)

Every state has a few people who commit fraud.  Criminals are everywhere.  And yes, they should be investigated and prosecuted.  Changing a few votes, or even a few hundred votes, however, isn't going to change the outcome of this election.  Trump should concede and let the investigators do their job without all of this drama.


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I’m not gonna look but I’m pretty sure that all of those were of no consequence. The only case of significant fraud was that 2018 house race where an operative for the republican candidate was harvesting ballots and destroying ones voting for the democrat. There were potentially thousands of lost votes in a race that ended in a 900 vote difference. They reran the race.


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    #27026314 - 11/07/20 10:29 AM (25 days, 19 hours ago)

Hamhead. How is trying to prevent ballots that prefer your opponent from being counted not cheating? There’s nothing fundamentally illegal about ballots cast on or before Election Day being counted of they arrive a few days laters. Pa counts mailed ballots that arrived up until yesterday. But, trump is suing to have them not be counted and the courts have ordered they keep those ballots separated. So, the court is preparing just in case they rule in favor of trump. Strangely there is no suit in AZ where they have practically the same rules.


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    #27026532 - 11/07/20 12:33 PM (25 days, 17 hours ago)

https://www.nationalistreview.net/2020/11/05/project-veritas-releases-interview-with-us-postal-worker-regarding-ballot-processing/

I've just heard about veritas. Apparently they have a good track record in courts.

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“I work in the Traverse City Post Office. More specifically, the Barlow branch,” an unidentified US Postal Service employee begins in a conversation with Project Vertias’ James O’Keefe.

“Your boss told you and your colleagues something that shocked you this morning. What was it?”

“We were issued a directive this morning to collect any ballots we find in mailboxes, collection boxes, just outgoing mail in general, [and] separate them at the end of the day so that we could hand stamp them with the previous day’s date. Today is November 4th for clarification.”

“We were issued a directive this morning to collect any ballots we find in mailboxes, collection boxes, just outgoing mail in general, [and] separate them at the end of the day so that we could hand stamp them with the previous day’s date. Today is November 4th for clarification.”

“To separate them today so they can mark them with yesterday’s date and send them through the express system to wherever they needed to go.

“This appears to be an attempt to circumvent Michigan law and allow late votes,” O’Keefe follows up. “And you said there was a hamper where letter carriers were supposed to leave their ballots. Where are the ballots now?

They were putting them into express bags to go to the distribution center. In regards to a hamper, there’s a standard hamper that all letter mail is supposed to go to and they had a tub next to it that we were supposed to put any ballots collected today into.”

“What made you come forward?”

“That’s sketchy. I don’t like sketchy. It screams corruption. Also, knowing the post offices leanings, politically, it didn’t seem quite right.”

“What is your message to other postal workers who see things like this?”

“Report it. How are we supposed to have any integrity in this country if we are just going to let things slide based on a scaling issue.”

“Are you afraid of retaliation against you?”

“I’ve had whistleblower policies backfire on me in the past, so, yes.”

“We’ll have to reach out to Johnathon Clarke for comment,” O’Keefe says before splicing in a call with the supervisor in question.

“Hey, is this Johnathon?”

“Yes.”

“Hey, hey, I’m a reporter with Project Veritas, James O’Keefe here. And I have a—I have information that you guys have been stamping ballots with the previous dates, November 3rd.”

At this point, Johnathon Clarke hangs up the phone."

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    #27026567 - 11/07/20 12:54 PM (25 days, 17 hours ago)

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    #27026568 - 11/07/20 12:55 PM (25 days, 17 hours ago)

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Project Veritas is a garbage source that has been caught producing fake videos.




:shrug: again.

You're telling me.

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You have a history of not being much of a critical thinker, so it wouldn't surprise me if you believed internet garbage.


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You have a history of not being much of a critical thinker, so it wouldn't surprise me if you believed internet garbage.




Oof, that hurts.

More so than being called an ignorant toddler.

:rush:

Biden won't win until votes are certified.

Media can call it all they want, doesn't make it so.

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Why did you call my statement "a gross misrepresentation of what Trump is trying to do"?  Was The Detroit News article incorrect about the lawsuit?



Because Trumps conduct clearly indicates that he has no interest in the election being more fair.  His only interest is in winning, and failing that, leaving him an excuse to cry foul for the rest of his life. I have no opinion about the lawsuits, nor have I read the pleadings.  My opinion is based on Trump's words and conduct over the last few days.



So the transparency that Trump wanted is a bad thing?  The fact that he doesn't want cheating clearly indicates he has no interest in being fair?  :wtf:

I guess I'll never understand Enlil logic.

- You're against better election transparency
- You're in favor of censorship on Facebook and Twitter
- You think whistle blowers who expose Government crimes should be locked up

Maybe Biden did  get more votes.  But the fact that you'd prefer we keep things as secret as possible says a lot about how you think.  You're an establishment cuck as far as I can tell.  :shrug:


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No one is saying that the investigations shouldn't be done.  They should be.  Trump should concede his loss like an adult and the investigations can carry on.



I just got to this post.  So you agree with investigating election fraud if its done AFTER the elections.

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They won't change the outcome of the election either way, so there's no point in holding up the nation while the investigations proceed.



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Hamhead. How is trying to prevent ballots that prefer your opponent from being counted not cheating?



Do you have a link?  I read Trump's lawsuits were simply to stop ballots from being counted until people could observe.  :shrug:


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You have a history of not being much of a critical thinker, so it wouldn't surprise me if you believed internet garbage.



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    #27026766 - 11/07/20 02:41 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

I'm in favor of transparency. I'm against lies and tyranny.

I'm in favor of people not being forced to publish speech they don't want to.

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No one is saying that the investigations shouldn't be done.  They should be.  Trump should concede his loss like an adult and the investigations can carry on.



I just got to this post.  So you agree with investigating election fraud if its done AFTER the elections.



This isn't minority report. We have to investigate after the crime.
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They won't change the outcome of the election either way, so there's no point in holding up the nation while the investigations proceed.



Depends on the fraud, doesn't it?



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You're an establishment cuck as far as I can tell.  :shrug:



I'm not the one who voted for a purported billionaire who cut taxes for corporations, deregulated businesses, gutted the EPA, and downplayed a pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

I also love the fact that you've fully embraced your trumper persona.  Cuck:burke:


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You're an establishment cuck as far as I can tell.  :shrug:



I'm not the one who voted for a purported billionaire who cut taxes for corporations, deregulated businesses, gutted the EPA, and downplayed a pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

I also love the fact that you've fully embraced your trumper persona.  Cuck:burke:




Better than a top down (dictatorship) means of controlling a virus.

Also, I don't think people want to pay more taxes. People like getting their money they work for. When taxes are going up, that means less money to circulate through a community.

A community that has had many businesses targeted for closures, thanks to Joe.

And then there's that new deal, where every American home will be upgraded to meet EPA standards, costing hundreds of trillions of dollars of, you guessed it, taxes.

Never mind businesses, which manufacturing will be sent overseas, again.

Biden, sorry, Harris is going to destroy USA if she becomes president.

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    #27026844 - 11/07/20 03:16 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

I couldn't care less about any of that right now.  Trump has disgraced this nation for years, and his opportunity to continue doing that will come to an end in 75 days.  The world is a better place because of that.


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I couldn't care less about any of that right now.  Trump has disgraced this nation for years, and his opportunity to continue doing that will come to an end in 75 days.  The world is a better place because of that.




Lowest unemployed rate. Such a disgrace having all those people working.

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I guess I'll never understand Enlil logic.

- You're against better election transparency
- You're in favor of censorship on Facebook and Twitter
- You think whistle blowers who expose Government crimes should be locked up



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I'm in favor of transparency. I'm against lies and tyranny.

I'm in favor of people not being forced to publish speech they don't want to.

I'm in favor of locking up criminals who harm people.



- You've been fighting election transparency this whole discussion
- Facebook and Twitter "are now monopolies that must be restricted and regulated, the report from Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust panel says."
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Evidence of dead person casting a vote.


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Show me a post where I came out against election transparency, or admit that you lied about that.


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I'm watching Fox News right now and it's awesome . They are complaining about people celebrating in front of the White House smoking weed and playing music .  They are also talking about 9000 dead people in Arizona that voted .
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    #27026897 - 11/07/20 03:51 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

Lmfao there was no WIDESPREAD voting fraud in any meaningful way. The fact theres only a handful of these stories speaks volumes . Also now that there's 0 riots due to the election you just say Biden is going to be a top down dictator. Also dumb ass people that don't wear masks need to be told to wear a mask in this point. Last 2 days there was 210k infections and were up to 240k dead. That's not dictatorship it's saving lives. Its enabling people like myself to continue my life instead of filing for unemployment. Because you're healthy and have a good immune system doesn't mean shit . A lot of Americans are dying and wearing a mask on your face hasn't killed anyone so it's clear the sacrifice we need to make and there is no constitutional right to not wear a mask but we are clearly supposed to have Life, Liberty and Happiness which starts literally with life. If we can't protect that liberty and Happiness mean little to the dead.

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Trump is refusing to concede and doesn't want to invite Biden to the Whitehouse .  Poor Baby .
  He got COVID , he got fired and now he's getting evicted .  2020 karma  gods  are answering my wishes !


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Watched the first couple,  didn’t have volume on so not sure if something was said but you don’t even question the fact that the guy signing 7 ballots didn’t actually show the ballots (could easily just be copied on printer paper) and the “haul” of trump ballots was one vote, and probably belonged to the cameraman?


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The sad butthurt is strong today with the "fuck you, emotional snowflake" party....

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Lmfao there was no WIDESPREAD voting fraud in any meaningful way. The fact theres only a handful of these stories speaks volumes . Also now that there's 0 riots due to the election you just say Biden is going to be a top down dictator. Also dumb ass people that don't wear masks need to be told to wear a mask in this point. Last 2 days there was 210k infections and were up to 240k dead. That's not dictatorship it's saving lives. Its enabling people like myself to continue my life instead of filing for unemployment. Because you're healthy and have a good immune system doesn't mean shit . A lot of Americans are dying and wearing a mask on your face hasn't killed anyone so it's clear the sacrifice we need to make and there is no constitutional right to not wear a mask but we are clearly supposed to have Life, Liberty and Happiness which starts literally with life. If we can't protect that liberty and Happiness mean little to the dead.

Commence more right wing melting and crying for now. Trump WILL be out of the white house soon so you have a little time




Excuse me, "dumb ass people that don't wear mask need to be told to wear a mask in this point."?

What else am I going to have to be told to do? Because I am too much of a "dump ass" to be able to think for myself.

You say there have been how many new cases?

Why should someone be tested if they show no symptoms?

If I get tested and comes back positive and I have not experienced any symptoms, what happens then?

Am I going to be told I have to quarantine because of a positive test even though I have not had symptoms? And if a coworker test positive, should we all be sent home because of contact with someone who is not showing any symptoms?

People don't want to listen. PCR test are too sensitive. Many of these positive test that were detected at these high cycle rates of 40-45 would have likely come back negative had samples been run at 30 cycles.

Over 10 million people with a new preexisting health condition. If PCR testing wasn't being maliciously used to create all these positive, this 10 million case number would be much lower.

Flu season is just beginning. With flu being at record low numbers, I'll take a guess that if someone has flu and test positive for Rona, Rona will be what kills them, not flu, not heart disease, not from old age, not from cancer.

Too many deaths having nothing to do with covid are being counted as Covid deaths because they test positive for Covid. Doesn't matter how they die, if they have a covid infection, it was a contribution factor. Not the heart disease.


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Get off the covid soapbox. Your nonsense doesn't belong in here.



Yup if your ideas and thinking for yourself leads to more people dying at some point you need to at least fucking try it another way.

Also this isn't some ideologically fight it's a fight against covid. Also just so you know I don't like wearing masks and I don't know anyone that does but the reason I do it is to protect my family myself and more importantly my entire local area. If everyone was just compassionate enough to do that we wouldn't have 126000 infections just today on top of the 210000 infections last two days


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I guess I'll never understand Enlil logic.

- You're against better election transparency
- You're in favor of censorship on Facebook and Twitter
- You think whistle blowers who expose Government crimes should be locked up



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I'm in favor of transparency. I'm against lies and tyranny.

I'm in favor of people not being forced to publish speech they don't want to.

I'm in favor of locking up criminals who harm people.



- You've been fighting election transparency this whole discussion
- Facebook and Twitter "are now monopolies that must be restricted and regulated, the report from Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust panel says."
- Did you ever answer the question of what harm was done?




You have your quotes fucked up, man.  Enlil didn't write that first quote.

And holy shit. The spin in many of your arguments is out there; like way out there...and your transition this past year or so has been mind blowing amazing to read. I think those changes fuckin suck by and large, but realise that doesn't mean shit and you're gonna do you.

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Show me a post where I came out against election transparency, or admit that you lied about that.



Right here

I said Trump just wanted a fair election.  You claimed it was a gross misrepresentation of what Trump was trying to do.  I showed you an article about the lawsuit where that Trump wanted to temporarily halt the count in Michigan until observers were allowed to watch.  That's more transparency.


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In other words, I never did and you lied.


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- You're against better election transparency
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- You think whistle blowers who expose Government crimes should be locked up



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Enlil said:
I'm in favor of transparency. I'm against lies and tyranny.

I'm in favor of people not being forced to publish speech they don't want to.

I'm in favor of locking up criminals who harm people.



- You've been fighting election transparency this whole discussion
- Facebook and Twitter "are now monopolies that must be restricted and regulated, the report from Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust panel says."
- Did you ever answer the question of what harm was done?




You have your quotes fucked up, man.  Enlil didn't write that first quote.



You're right I attributed that to Enlil by mistake when it was me who wrote it.  I fixed it in my original post.

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And holy shit. The spin in many of your arguments is out there; like way out there...and your transition this past year or so has been mind blowing amazing to read. I think those changes fuckin suck by and large, but realise that doesn't mean shit and you're gonna do you.

Have a good one,  man.  Peace.



Spin?  Can you give an example?

Please read my signature to help understand.  I realize people hate the fact that I criticize my own side when they're wrong, but they've been wrong a lot lately.  :shrug:


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Show me a post where I came out against election transparency, or admit that you lied about that.



Right here

I said Trump just wanted a fair election.  You claimed it was a gross misrepresentation of what Trump was trying to do.  I showed you an article about the lawsuit where that Trump wanted to temporarily halt the count in Michigan until observers were allowed to watch.  That's more transparency.



In other words, I never did and you lied.



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I know nothing about the substance of his lawsuits. I only know they've been largely unsuccessful so far.


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Read the link I provided if you don't like my brief summary of "Trump wanted to temporarily halt the count in Michigan until observers were allowed to watch.  That's more transparency."

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If you did know what the lawsuits were about, then I apologize for saying you got tricked, but if you knew what they were about then you made a gross misrepresentation about them, which is worse than not knowing.



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I know nothing about the substance of his lawsuits. I only know they've been largely unsuccessful so far.



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I couldn't care less about the lawsuits. Certainly not the frivolous one in Michigan that was dismissed already.

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Trump's lawsuits were for more election transparency.  You'll have to explain how that's a gross misrepresentation.


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    #27027759 - 11/08/20 01:24 AM (25 days, 5 hours ago)

He lost the popular vote twice by a big margin , there's something seriously wrong with anyone that would still want to be president after that .


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27027877 - 11/08/20 04:20 AM (25 days, 2 hours ago)

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Trump's lawsuits were for more election transparency.  You'll have to explain how that's a gross misrepresentation.



Nevermind. I'm done talking to you.



Because Trump DID sue for more transparency.  Unless I misread the Detroit News article.


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    #27027906 - 11/08/20 05:41 AM (25 days, 45 minutes ago)

Where is meltdowner? I hope he didnt murder suicide his family over his beloved losing the election.


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    #27028162 - 11/08/20 10:50 AM (24 days, 19 hours ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh:

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    #27028250 - 11/08/20 11:41 AM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

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Trump's lawsuits were for more election transparency.  You'll have to explain how that's a gross misrepresentation.



Nevermind. I'm done talking to you.



Because Trump DID sue for more transparency.  Unless I misread the Detroit News article.




He was trying to get ballot counting stopped where his lead was vanishing. It has nothing to do with transparency.


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    #27028251 - 11/08/20 11:43 AM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

I wonder why he didn't file any lawsuits in the states where he won.  As our benevolent, fair President who seeks only to have fair elections, one would think that he would want to look into every state and ensure that every election was run properly and fairly.


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    #27028260 - 11/08/20 11:46 AM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

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He was trying to get ballot counting stopped where his lead was vanishing. It has nothing to do with transparency.



I finally looked into these lawsuits.  Most were about excluding ballots which is not at all about transparency.  Two were about observers.  One of the two was dismissed, and the other resulted in observers being allowed 14 feet closer than they had been previously allowed. 

That's the big transparency win:  Observers who were already there got to move 14 feet closer in one state.


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    #27028303 - 11/08/20 12:10 PM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

This election denialism bullshit is starting to feel a little bit like terrorism to me .
  Trump , Fox News and their cult of dipshits are going full  Alex Jones over their loss .


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    #27028319 - 11/08/20 12:20 PM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

It comes from the top.  Trumpers are rabid followers. If Trump says the election was stolen, it was. Just look at people on this site. Even rational people turn into glassy eyes cult members when someone doubts their dear leader. Falcon91Wolvrn03 went from solidly logical to full conspiracy dude in a matter of months.

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    #27028323 - 11/08/20 12:22 PM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

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Because Trump DID sue for more transparency.  Unless I misread the Detroit News article.




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Stephens' denial of an injunction in Michigan came on the same day a Georgia judge dismissed a similar suit by Trump's campaign, finding no proof that ballots being processed in Chatham County had been received after 7 p.m. on Election Day.

But Trump continued to press the allegations during a Thursday evening press conference.

“Detroit and Philadelphia, known as two of the most corrupt political places anywhere in our country, easily, cannot be responsible for engineering the outcome of a presidential race,” the Republican president said.




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Further, in its filing, Trump's campaign failed to name a single absentee counting board preventing access to poll challengers, Assistant Attorney General Heather Meingast said.




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Stephens questioned the evidence the Trump campaign could provide to show poll challengers were disenfranchised. She also questioned an affidavit claiming Detroit poll workers were told to change dates on late absentee ballots.

"What I have at best is a hearsay affidavit, I believe, that addresses a harm that would be significant, but that’s what we got," Stephens said. "We’ve got an affidavit that is not firsthand knowledge.




Remember that Steele Dossier with plenty of claims but little proof?
Same same.

Edit, I've underlined the bits you might have missed :hatsoff:


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    #27028327 - 11/08/20 12:24 PM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

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And holy shit. The spin in many of your arguments is out there; like way out there...and your transition this past year or so has been mind blowing amazing to read. I think those changes fuckin suck by and large, but realise that doesn't mean shit and you're gonna do you.

Have a good one,  man.  Peace.



Spin?  Can you give an example?

Please read my signature to help understand.  I realize people hate the fact that I criticize my own side when they're wrong, but they've been wrong a lot lately.  :shrug:




We don't even need to look further than that cringeworthy "my side" signature of yours for an example of spin.

Let's be clear here: (1) you have been vocally opposed to the Democratic establishment for years now, and (2) you voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election. I think treating politics like some sort of sport composed of opposing sides is an inadequate analogy; but if that's how you want to frame things, you chose your side when you cast your ballot for Trump. Continuing to pretend otherwise is spin #1.

Furthermore, instead of acknowledging criticism for the reasons behind your support of Trump, you so frequently spin it as people merely being upset with you personally for 'switching sides' that you installed it as your signature in a preemptive attack. That's spin #2.


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    #27028329 - 11/08/20 12:24 PM (24 days, 18 hours ago)



It just occured to me. Trump is not going to leave the office unless he in handcuffs huh?

Ok lets go back to theoretical situations. Is it possible for Trump to sue his way into a 2nd term? Could he literally sue his way into proving he actually got more votes then Biden and tie this shit up in court for so many years that by the time Biden actually got a day in office it would be at the end of the Trump's second term?

A lot of people are saying Republicans have become so powerful that they will at this point block any attempts by the Democratic party to actually introduce any of their policies into the country any time soon without getting seriously blocked.

Then again Dems won the house right?

But I am absolutely convinced Trump will attempt to be the first person to block his exit out of the White House with a serious push on the Judicial system.

:popcorn: at this point who knows right?

You know the funny thing? As happy as I am to see him leave and want him to get the fuck out I do believe every American has a right to due process and should have their day in court.

Should he be allowed to sue his way into staying in office and declare the voter system a fraud? Should he be able to sue away the electoral system that actually gave him the lead over Hillary Clinton? Or this all a fantasy? But truthfully I think the American law system should be more tedious then it even is and people should take advantage of it more to use it to their benefit. Even if its a racist murdering child molesting big business capitalist like Donald Trump.

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    #27028336 - 11/08/20 12:26 PM (24 days, 18 hours ago)

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He was trying to get ballot counting stopped where his lead was vanishing. It has nothing to do with transparency.



I finally looked into these lawsuits.  Most were about excluding ballots which is not at all about transparency.  Two were about observers.  One of the two was dismissed, and the other resulted in observers being allowed 14 feet closer than they had been previously allowed. 

That's the big transparency win:  Observers who were already there got to move 14 feet closer in one state.




Even the “observer” suits are designed to stop or slow counting.


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    #27028338 - 11/08/20 12:27 PM (24 days, 17 hours ago)

IDK...I’d wager some trump sycophant tries to assassinate Biden.


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    #27028346 - 11/08/20 12:30 PM (24 days, 17 hours ago)

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Fantasy. The court cases are cooked up. Check out Falcon's link :super:


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    #27028388 - 11/08/20 12:55 PM (24 days, 17 hours ago)

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IDK...I’d wager some trump sycophant tries to assassinate Biden.



What's the difference?  Biden won't be president for more than a year or two.


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    #27028399 - 11/08/20 12:59 PM (24 days, 17 hours ago)

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I guess I'll never understand Enlil logic.

- You're against better election transparency
- You're in favor of censorship on Facebook and Twitter
- You think whistle blowers who expose Government crimes should be locked up



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I'm in favor of transparency. I'm against lies and tyranny.

I'm in favor of people not being forced to publish speech they don't want to.

I'm in favor of locking up criminals who harm people.



- You've been fighting election transparency this whole discussion
- Facebook and Twitter "are now monopolies that must be restricted and regulated, the report from Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust panel says."
- Did you ever answer the question of what harm was done?




You have your quotes fucked up, man.  Enlil didn't write that first quote.



You're right I attributed that to Enlil by mistake when it was me who wrote it.  I fixed it in my original post.

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And holy shit. The spin in many of your arguments is out there; like way out there...and your transition this past year or so has been mind blowing amazing to read. I think those changes fuckin suck by and large, but realise that doesn't mean shit and you're gonna do you.

Have a good one,  man.  Peace.



Spin?  Can you give an example?

Please read my signature to help understand.  I realize people hate the fact that I criticize my own side when they're wrong, but they've been wrong a lot lately.  :shrug:



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F91W03, I have not only read ~90% of your posts this year, but also the same amount over the 6+ years I've been using this screen name. I haven't been posting but I've read all new posts weekly to every couple of weeks.  There is nothing I misunderstand about any of it, imo.

Additionally, I've both seen your current sig and read you talking about it many,  many times; I don't need to read it again nor discuss it much further. I understand the cross you wish the rest of us to recognize you bearing. At times I've agreed with you about your sig, at many other times I have not. Vehemently not.

An example of spin is in the two quotes in this post, one by you and the other by Enlil, posted about Enlil's viewpoints about three issues.

He frames it one way, you spin it a different--much more negative/nefarious--way, and the world keeps turning.

A second, quick example is the way you've characterized Donald's lawsuit. Although anecdotal, all but one person I've spoken to realises that donnie only cares about winning, not transparency. That viewpoint has been formed by 30+ years of donald's spoken and written words. His books, speeches, and interviews reinforce, and make obvious to many (most?), this viewpoint and it has zero to do with dishonest attacking or any made-up syndrome.

Yet, in his defense, you unsurprisingly spin it as a desire for transparency while neglecting the preponderance of evidence which has come straight from donnie's mouth, pen, and fingers for decades.

You can have the last word in your rebuttal to this post; I'll not argue it further with you if I can help myself. No matter how unbecoming I find your martyr complex, unending ego-driven propositions of bets, and near constant spinning of arguments,  I don't find anything redeeming or positive about beating on you/your arguments and I wish you well.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil]
    #27028469 - 11/08/20 01:47 PM (24 days, 16 hours ago)

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He was trying to get ballot counting stopped where his lead was vanishing. It has nothing to do with transparency.



Temporarily halted.  Until we got more transparency.

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I wonder why he didn't file any lawsuits in the states where he won.



Do you really wonder why?  Someone remind me not to hire Enlil as my lawyer.

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I finally looked into these lawsuits.  Most were about excluding ballots which is not at all about transparency.



Notice Enlil left out the details of what ballots Trump wanted excluded.  The ones that didn't comply with state law as I previously explained.

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Two were about observers.  One of the two was dismissed, and the other resulted in observers being allowed 14 feet closer than they had been previously allowed.



Again, leaving out the important details.  The Michigan lawsuit was dismissed because "Michigan's count largely is completed" and because the judge argued "the responsibility to give that access ultimately lies with the local election officials".  (I'll get to Stable Genius's argument shortly).

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This election denialism bullshit is starting to feel a little bit like terrorism to me .



It comes from the top.  Trumpers are rabid followers.



Actually, it comes from election officials not giving the country the transparency the country deserves.  Just listen to Enlil defend our current system.  He's saying it's ok not to have transparency because when it's not transparent vote counting isn't showing signs of cheating.

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If Trump says the election was stolen, it was. Just look at people on this site. Even rational people turn into glassy eyes cult members when someone doubts their dear leader. Falcon91Wolvrn03 went from solidly logical to full conspiracy dude in a matter of months.



I never said the election was stolen.  I said it's not transparent enough.  I'm arguing for more transparency, and everyone here is arguing against that.  :shrug:

And asking for more transparency in our elections doesn't make me one "full conspiracy dude".  I've asked Enlil this before in vain, can you PLEASE stop lying about me?


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    #27028482 - 11/08/20 01:56 PM (24 days, 16 hours ago)

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Stephens' denial of an injunction in Michigan came on the same day a Georgia judge dismissed a similar suit by Trump's campaign, finding no proof that ballots being processed in Chatham County had been received after 7 p.m. on Election Day.

“Detroit and Philadelphia, known as two of the most corrupt political places anywhere in our country, easily, cannot be responsible for engineering the outcome of a presidential race,” the Republican president said.

Further, in its filing, Trump's campaign failed to name a single absentee counting board preventing access to poll challengers, Assistant Attorney General Heather Meingast said.

Stephens questioned the evidence the Trump campaign could provide to show poll challengers were disenfranchised. She also questioned an affidavit claiming Detroit poll workers were told to change dates on late absentee ballots.

"What I have at best is a hearsay affidavit, I believe, that addresses a harm that would be significant, but that’s what we got," Stephens said. "We’ve got an affidavit that is not firsthand knowledge.






Once again, Trump sued to ensure the law was followed.  If no proof of election fraud is found, then it's game over for Trump.  We definitely need more transparency in our elections.

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Remember that Steele Dossier with plenty of claims but little proof?
Same same.



US intelligence relied on Steele Dossier until it was found to be bullshit much later.  Now we're relying on the initial election results...

Again, I have no idea if any cheating was going on or not.  I only know people are VERY much against more transparency so this type of thing doesn't happen in the first place.


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    #27028510 - 11/08/20 02:14 PM (24 days, 16 hours ago)

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We don't even need to look further than that cringeworthy "my side" signature of yours for an example of spin.

Let's be clear here: (1) you have been vocally opposed to the Democratic establishment for years now, and (2) you voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election. I think treating politics like some sort of sport composed of opposing sides is an inadequate analogy; but if that's how you want to frame things, you chose your side when you cast your ballot for Trump. Continuing to pretend otherwise is spin #1.



I'm very open about who "my side" is.  I associate most with the Green Party, and I associate least with the establishment.  All my arguments are consistent with this.

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Furthermore, instead of acknowledging criticism for the reasons behind your support of Trump, you so frequently spin it as people merely being upset with you personally for 'switching sides' that you installed it as your signature in a preemptive attack. That's spin #2.



Tell me which arguments I've been wrong about defending Trump on.  :popcorn:


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    #27028513 - 11/08/20 02:18 PM (24 days, 16 hours ago)

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Is it possible for Trump to sue his way into a 2nd term?



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I've asked Enlil this before in vain, can you PLEASE stop lying about me?



Not until you stop lying about me,  cuck.



You keep lying about me lying.  If you can finally explain an actual lie I told about you, I'll apologize and stop.


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    #27028528 - 11/08/20 02:31 PM (24 days, 15 hours ago)

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Spin?  Can you give an example?



An example of spin is in the two quotes in this post, one by you and the other by Enlil, posted about Enlil's viewpoints about three issues.

He frames it one way, you spin it a different--much more negative/nefarious--way, and the world keeps turning.



That's not specific enough for me to respond to, but read on.

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A second, quick example is the way you've characterized Donald's lawsuit. Although anecdotal, all but one person I've spoken to realises that donnie only cares about winning, not transparency. That viewpoint has been formed by 30+ years of donald's spoken and written words. His books, speeches, and interviews reinforce, and make obvious to many (most?), this viewpoint and it has zero to do with dishonest attacking or any made-up syndrome.

Yet, in his defense, you unsurprisingly spin it as a desire for transparency while neglecting the preponderance of evidence which has come straight from donnie's mouth, pen, and fingers for decades.

You can have the last word in your rebuttal to this post; I'll not argue it further with you if I can help myself. No matter how unbecoming I find your martyr complex, unending ego-driven propositions of bets, and near constant spinning of arguments,  I don't find anything redeeming or positive about beating on you/your arguments and I wish you well.



Of course he wants to win, I don't deny that.  But he's trying to do it legally, and his lawsuits are to ensure the law is followed and there's adequate transparency.  No one's shown this to be incorrect yet.

Again, I don't know who got more votes, but I'm ok with more election transparency.  I think our election system sucks.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27028593 - 11/08/20 03:15 PM (24 days, 15 hours ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:Once again, Trump sued to ensure the law was followed.



I would have then added "without any evidence"?... like it said in the article you linked too
Most people turn up at court with evidence, it's a legal thing.


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Most do, but there are frivolous suits filed.  They just get dismissed like most of Trumps have.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil]
    #27028671 - 11/08/20 03:56 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago)

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I would have then added "without any evidence"?...



I'd at least like to see more transparency for future elections.  We keep moving away from things like "voter verified paper ballots" to things like "Shadow" software (do you remember that from the DNC primaries?)


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029000 - 11/08/20 07:48 PM (24 days, 10 hours ago)

Just had to jump in here... I don't have very many posts but I've been a lurker for many years...  how could anyone in their right mind challenge Enlil?  Have you not seen the MONSTER UNIT that Ask an Attorney is?!  Guy knows his stuff!

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...how could anyone in their right mind challenge Enlil?



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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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    #27029087 - 11/08/20 08:49 PM (24 days, 9 hours ago)

Conduct unbecoming an officer of the court!


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029088 - 11/08/20 08:49 PM (24 days, 9 hours ago)

you are not worth even responding to, which is a shame, bc being ostracized is a lonely game, good luck, man


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    #27029141 - 11/08/20 09:20 PM (24 days, 9 hours ago)

I don't mind.  I'll keep talking to the people that like to discuss evidence, not the make believers.  Have fun.


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    #27029543 - 11/09/20 06:30 AM (23 days, 23 hours ago)

lol make believers. Dude you’re a fucking parody of yourself.


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    #27029930 - 11/09/20 12:13 PM (23 days, 18 hours ago)

I'm still waiting for you to post your first make believe statement from me.

I have over 100 from you.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029940 - 11/09/20 12:21 PM (23 days, 18 hours ago)

Yeah, that's not really true.  You just declare anything "make believe" if you don't want to believe it.  Evidence doesn't factor in.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil]
    #27029975 - 11/09/20 12:49 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago)

Is that ANOTHER lie Enlil, or are you going to be able to prove it this time?


I declare something "make believe" if I can't find evidence about it.  If the evidence is shown, then I'll believe it.  If not, I'll assume it was make believe.

I've asked koods for evidence over 100 times where he couldn't provide it.


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    #27029989 - 11/09/20 12:54 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago)

Nah, you're full of shit.  You didn't used to be.  You used to be rational.  These days, you dismiss anything that goes against the answer you want.  I've defended you several times when you've been accused of being a bad faith debater because you have a long track record of not being one.  This last year, however, you've turned into something different, and I won't defend you anymore.


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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Enlil]
    #27030012 - 11/09/20 01:12 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago)

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Nah, you're full of shit.  You didn't used to be.  You used to be rational.  These days, you dismiss anything that goes against the answer you want.  I've defended you several times when you've been accused of being a bad faith debater because you have a long track record of not being one.  This last year, however, you've turned into something different, and I won't defend you anymore.



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Re: Trump Lost. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27030033 - 11/09/20 01:24 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago)

According to a poll that you yourself made, you are second in line for king of make believe.


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    #27030039 - 11/09/20 01:27 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago)

Where am I on the list?  I want to be the king of make believe.


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    #27030334 - 11/09/20 04:15 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago)

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Where am I on the list?  I want to be the king of make believe.




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Couldn't you two just agree to be the king and queen ?


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The trump butthurt tweets seem to be kicking up now.  I'm looking forward to the full meltdown.


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Its to rich.
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    #27030623 - 11/09/20 08:34 PM (23 days, 9 hours ago)

Can we do without the fever dream that Biden somehow owned trump in order to defeat him in the election?

Motherfucker was a disaster for downballot races, since Biden couldn’t be bothered to tie Trump to the entire GOP (and instead praised them), and only squeaked out a win because of COVID.


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Tucker Carlson is absolute gutter television. That’s it. 🤷‍♂️


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It wasn't even close,  dude.




I’m talking specifically about the imminent “blue wave” that never materialized. Might as well write off the next 4 years as a lame duck session.


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Meh, the Dems are the worst. We're better off without them.


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I dunno I still believe taking over the Democratic Party is a more realistic electoral project than building a third party from scratch.


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    #27030822 - 11/09/20 11:34 PM (23 days, 6 hours ago)

It doesn't look that way.  The republican party was taken over by a democrat game show host 4 years ago.  Maybe that's the party the left should be looking at taking over.


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It doesn't look that way.  The republican party was taken over by a democrat game show host 4 years ago.  Maybe that's the party the left should be looking at taking over.




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Thats gonna be something. He will take an axe (or try to) to the FMW.


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Rumor is Bernie is going to be Labor Secretary




I've been reading that it will be very difficult to get Sanders or even Warren in the cabinet, requiring Senate confirmation.


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MA's governor is a republican, meaning Warren taking a cabinet position would more than likely give the republicans another senate seat for the start of the administration. From what I've read the state legislature could change the law and block the governor's appointment, but they've done it in the past and don't seem to want to do it again.


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I've heard that argument against making Warren Treasury Secretary and it is an issue. I believe I said same thing here in the last week. But the point I was making today is that the Republican majority Senate won't confirm somebody as left as Warren, let alone Sanders, to a major cabinet position.


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I've heard that argument against making Warren Treasury Secretary and it is an issue. I believe I said same thing here in the last week. But the point I was making today is that the Republican majority Senate won't confirm somebody as left as Warren, let alone Sanders, to a major cabinet position.




I'm thinking more in terms of if the dems somehow pull off GA wins. There's also always the option of one of the dems pushing back against a Bernie/Warren nomination. I'm not completely familiar with how appointing cabinet picks go, but seems like it'll basically be mcconnell making picks if it's a red senate. Any traditions/customs seem to be out the window at this point


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I don't know how competitive those races are going to be but, but prominent figures like Andrew Yang are urging people to move to Georgia and vote. Their voter eligibility laws are vague. If you arrive by December 7 you can vote and must stay there for "awhile". Conservatives are going nuts over this, but hey, states right's and all. It would be great if they got a 50/50 split, and rather humorous that Vice President Harris would be the tie breaker on a very regular basis. I'm sure she would be digging that.

Yes, McConnell would have a lot of influence over a red Senate. Biden and McConnell have a history of accommodation with each other. (I feel slimy even saying that). Speculation is that the major posts would have to go to centrists. Biden would have to attempt a balancing act between playing nice with the GOP and the progressive Dems, and I think we all know how that will work out. The only place where I see Biden having leverage would be on stimulus while the pandemic is still bad. Other than that it's either going to be stalemate or meet the Republicans in the middle at best.


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relic said:  A second, quick example {of spin} is the way you've characterized Donald's lawsuit.  all but one person I've spoken to realises that donnie only cares about winning, not transparency.




Of course he wants to win, I don't deny that.  But he's trying to do it legally, and his lawsuits are to ensure the law is followed and there's adequate transparency.  No one's shown this to be incorrect yet.





If he wanted to champion fair, transparent elections, he had four years to take up that cause. He just seemingly didn't give a shit while he had the position and power to get something done about transparency.

Instead, he waited until he was losing in several states he thought he'd win and ONLY challenged the results in those states, mostly in a fashion that would make votes for Biden be ruled invalid.

He doesn't care about transparency; he cares about winning and I wonder about your argumentative honesty if you can't see that...especially considering his conduct the last four years, much less his whole adult, public life or his twitter feed or his books, etc.


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...But the point I was making today is that the Republican majority Senate won't confirm somebody as left as Warren, let alone Sanders, to a major cabinet position.




I think they will if they stand to pick up another seat in the Senate via a governor appointing a replacement senator. :shrug:


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Biden doesn't really have to have a "cabinet" in the true sense of the word.  He could just as easily have unconfirmed advisors and accomplish exactly the same thing with the only exception being that they wouldn't be in line for succession.


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