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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: qman]
#27097778 - 12/19/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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BTW, have the Clinton's, Obama or Biden after acknowledging the horrible affects of the crime bill ever demanded to change the laws? I don't think so.
It's acknowledge, apologize and then keep the status quo on the crime bill.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: qman]
#27097781 - 12/19/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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To say that the crime bill caused mass incarceration isn't really necessarily true. The crime bill was a part of an overall shift, but it's not fair to say that it caused that shift. The shift more likely caused the bill
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil] 2
#27097884 - 12/19/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another example of the Democrats chasing the Republicans to the right.
Reagan cuts entitlements? We’ll have Clinton take a hatchet to welfare programs! Aw man why are these minorities so irritable lately? “We need to bring them to heel.”
And this isn’t to imply the Democrats are worried about winning elections, because they aren’t. They only chase public sentiment when it benefits the ruling class. And that’s why we’re in our current state of affairs, where Demigod Obama is the pinnacle of political genius for....passing a Koch Brothers healthcare bill.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27097905 - 12/19/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man, I hope everything goes smooth for you guys...
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: anatomality] 1
#27097914 - 12/19/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don’t worry bud we’re dragging you down with us.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27097915 - 12/19/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Regardless, it is a single data point.
Imagine if you told me people are suffering because of COVID, and I said nuh uh, and then we hashed it out on the basis of a graph of the DJIA.
What does the DJIA have to do with Covid? I pointed out that kood's own graph supported my argument, and provided a similar graph confirming the increase. I agree there's plenty of other evidence (see below).
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Enlil said: To say that the crime bill caused mass incarceration isn't really necessarily true.
Let's take a look at 1994 crime bill:
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The platform encouraged states to pass truth-in-sentencing laws (which requires offenders to serve a substantial portion of their sentence and reduces the discrepancy between the sentence imposed and actual time served in prison), bragged about instituting the death penalty for nearly 60 more crimes, and even encouraged the prosecution of young people as adults. This platform remained largely in place until 12 years later, when in 2008, the tone and substance began to change under new leadership in the party. Coincidentally, incarceration rates peaked in 2008.
Here's what Biden himself said:
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Let me define the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. The liberal wing of the Democratic Party is now for 60 new death penalties … the liberal wing of the Democratic Party is for 100,000 cops. The liberal wing of the Democratic Party is for 125,000 new state prison cells.
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He would continue to vote for strong anti-drug efforts, going as far as to push for a federal crackdown on raves, citing ecstasy distribution. While Biden has shifted on some drug issues, he remains a staunch defender of his record on crime, even as Bill and Hillary Clinton have expressed their regret for the consequences of the 1994 crime bill and other anti-drug policies.
The major point being you can argue both sides, but Instagram doesn't want anyone bad-mouthing Joe.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27097923 - 12/19/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What was the lie Enlil? Or are you lying about me lying again?
***Crickets***
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27098021 - 12/19/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: The crime bill is pretty much universally recognized as ramping up incarceration, Biden wouldn’t have apologized for it if he didn’t have to. Hillary distanced herself from it in 2016 as well after BLM crashed a few of her fundraising dinners.
Well that is not supported by the data. The five years before the crime bill, incarcerations increased 50%, the five years after they increased less than 10%.
Again, I will point out that because people often stay in prison for a few years, new incarcerations can be decreasing while total incarcerations continue to increase.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods] 3
#27098046 - 12/19/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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But they weren’t decreasing, they were just increasing slower, and I gave some examples of why that might be.
Like i said, the crime bill is widely accepted as a pro incarceration pro police bill, with the desired effect of such. But hey maybe these sociologists haven’t seen the graph you googled and all these politicians are showing their ass for no reason.
Take it from the ACLU https://www.aclu.org/blog/smart-justice/mass-incarceration/how-1994-crime-bill-fed-mass-incarceration-crisis
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#27098358 - 12/19/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the data can be interpreted both ways depending on your POV. First the upward curve decreased and then it curved downward. There are time lags in the effects of social policy. But as said there were other factors in the incarceration rate besides the crime bill.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27098392 - 12/19/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Don’t worry bud we’re dragging you down with us.
I know that's what I'm concerned about.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: anatomality]
#27103786 - 12/23/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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anatomality said: Man, I hope everything goes smooth for you guys...
It surely won't go smoothly, but things will be fine. Trump is very loud, but he won't be able to do anything to remain in power after January 20. He's just backed into a corner right now and every day probably he will get crazier.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#27103790 - 12/23/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, he's still holding out hope, but every day that hope gets less and less viable. He'll be talking about how the election was stolen from him until the day he dies, though.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27103938 - 12/23/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don’t think trump ever believed any of this “stop the steal” shit in the first place.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27103944 - 12/23/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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He absolutely believes he won the election. He also knows he can use the situation to grift hundreds of millions off his flock of sheeple.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods]
#27103953 - 12/23/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont think he actually believes that. I think he just wants to push whatever narrative might have a chance to keep hom in office. He isnt creative enough to come up with any of this shit himself either. He just blurs out that the election was rigged and his followers fill in the blanks with imaginary bullshit and then he rolls with it. Its like mad libs. But it actually effects the country, not just a fun word game.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27103961 - 12/23/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah. He’s been convinced by these sycophants that the election was stolen.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods]
#27103964 - 12/23/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rudy Guiliani has just been served with an order to not destroy any records concerning dominion due to a lawsuit being filed against him.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods]
#27104026 - 12/23/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not sure what he really believes, but he definitely planned ahead of time to say this if he lost.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: psi]
#27104033 - 12/23/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don’t think trump is capable of believing he lost anything.
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