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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods]
    #27096995 - 12/19/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol just admit you were wrong for once

And if social media didn’t want people debating it, they would have removed the post. They didn’t. They fact checked it.




Both our graphs show incarceration going up for blacks and going down for whites.  How does that prove me wrong?


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27097004 - 12/19/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not for nothing but you were just proven wrong about your crime bill claims, and you doubled down.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27097020 - 12/19/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol just admit you were wrong for once

And if social media didn’t want people debating it, they would have removed the post. They didn’t. They fact checked it.




Both our graphs show incarceration going up for blacks and going down for whites.  How does that prove me wrong?




See what I mean? A totally disingenuous interpretation of those graphs. Anyone with common sense looks at those graphs and sees that 1995 is the year when the growth in the black prison population began to slow.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27097303 - 12/19/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Not for nothing but you were just proven wrong about your crime bill claims, and you doubled down.



This is one example for you, Falcon, but it's new for you, so it's not really what I'm talking about.

Anything I bring up, you'll use an an excuse to re-argue.  Whether it's the Skripal poisoning, Russia hacking, or the Syrian attack, you'll just claim you were right and want to reargue with your same old dishonest bullshit.  I, for one, am tired and bored of it.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27097325 - 12/19/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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trying to have a factual conversation with Falcon about Trump stuff is a waste of time.  They deny obvious truths in reality.



I'll ask you what I everyone who makes this claim - can you please post something I said that proves I deny obvious truths?

Quote exactly what I said, please.  No generalities.

This question rarely gets answered, but maybe you can break that trend?



***CRICKETS***

Same as always.  People accuse me of dishonesty, and when I ask where, I never get a reply.  :shrug:



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That's because when confronted with examples, you just use that to go back and reargue shit that you've already argued dishonestly.  We all have been down that road too many times to give a shit anymore.



Nobody ever gives me examples though, that's the problem.  Why don't you just link to an example?  People here never give examples when I ask, as demonstrated above.  I almost always get silence, or when I'm lucky I'm told something like "I gotta go fishing".


Yes, I remember ONCE when you provided me an example:

Psylinut asked "how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office if he had been  white instead of black".

I then correctly pointed out that "the alleged rape is not what Trump's in trouble for, Carroll never pressed charges for that.  He's being sued for defamation for saying 'she's not my type' while he was



That’s not at all the heart of the matter, and a really sleazy way to trivialize her claims



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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27097598 - 12/19/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Both our graphs show incarceration going up for blacks and going down for whites.  How does that prove me wrong?



See what I mean? A totally disingenuous interpretation of those graphs. Anyone with common sense looks at those graphs and sees that 1995 is the year when the growth in the black prison population began to slow.



No, I don't see what you mean.

You made the same dumb claim about Trump and unemployment before Covid.  Unemployment kept going down, but you claimed the rate it was going down was slowing.  Well duh, it was the lowest it's ever been since the 1969, there's practically no room left for it to keep going down.  Similarly, incarceration rates were the highest they've ever been.  They can't keep going up forever.

But after the crime bill, incarceration rates did keep going up for blacks, but went down for whites.  Proving my point.

You'll have to make a better argument than "anyone with common sense" or anything like "you're a big fat poo poo head" to help me understand.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27097618 - 12/19/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Wow dude this is exactly what everyone is telling you about


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods]
    #27097632 - 12/19/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow dude this is exactly what everyone is telling you about




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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27097660 - 12/19/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The crime bill is pretty much universally recognized as ramping up incarceration, Biden wouldn’t have apologized for it if he didn’t have to. Hillary distanced herself from it in 2016 as well after BLM crashed a few of her fundraising dinners.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 4
    #27097685 - 12/19/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Also, y’all should look up the details of what the bill actually did, namely incentivizing incarceration. The economic boom of the 90s brought down crime (since we know poverty and crime parallel each other), and yet incarceration still ticked up.

Not that any of y’all actually give a shit about what the consequences were or not.

Fal just wants to own everyone with facts and logic.
Koods has to keep desperately pretending the Democrats are the good guys.
And Enlil just wants to drag everyone into minutiae until we’re debating the definition of crime.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
    #27097691 - 12/19/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Anything I bring up, you'll use an an excuse to re-argue.



No, I don't make excuses.  I stick with facts, while you have blind faith in our Government on foreign policy, for which they have been caught lying over and over.

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Whether it's the Skripal poisoning, Russia hacking, or the Syrian attack, you'll just claim you were right and want to reargue with your same old dishonest bullshit.  I, for one, am tired and bored of it.



Great examples.  Let's look at each so you can explain to me where I lied.

With the Skripal poisoning, the evidence we have it was Russia is that Russia invented novichok (though it is available in over 20 countries today) and that two Russians were found in Salisbury at the time of the poisoning (one of whom Belingcat claimed to be a hero of Russia, which was easily disproven).  As I said before, that gives you about a 2 in 40,000 chance of being right. 

On the other hand, one of a great many posts against it being Russia was posted here.

Tell me what the lie was so I understand.  If you can't, you're the one lying.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27097694 - 12/19/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for proving my point.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
    #27097699 - 12/19/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What was the lie Enlil?  Or are you lying about me lying again?


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
    #27097705 - 12/19/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow dude this is exactly what everyone is telling you about






Another "Fal's a big fat poo poo head" post.  If you can't explain how I'm being dishonest, it's you who's clearly being dishonest.

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Fal just wants to own everyone with facts and logic.
Koods has to keep desperately pretending the Democrats are the good guys.
And Enlil just wants to drag everyone into minutiae until we’re debating the definition of crime.



Thank you.  :toast:


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27097708 - 12/19/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
    #27097737 - 12/19/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Edit: @fal

I didn’t mean that as a compliment. You get bogged down in the specifics too much and it doesn’t do you any favors. That’s why other posters just ignore you when you ask for clarification.


Takes probably 5 min to look up a few articles/studies from the past 25 years explaining the downsides of the 94 crime bill.  Like I said, it’s pretty much universally agreed upon (across the political spectrum)  that it increased incarceration/expanded the police state. Conservatives think it didn’t go far enough, leftists think it went too far, and liberals think it was just right with maybe a few flaws (but also upsides!) in their typical Goldilocks fashion. Why even argue this on the basis of a single data point? Especially when you know the person you’re arguing with isn’t going to change their mind.  Complete waste of time imo, especially when you can easily antagonize koods on so many other legitimate points.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27097752 - 12/19/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously, why don't we organize a "mass ignore" of some of the more useless posters here?



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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods] * 2
    #27097764 - 12/19/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol just admit you were wrong for once

And if social media didn’t want people debating it, they would have removed the post. They didn’t. They fact checked it.




Both our graphs show incarceration going up for blacks and going down for whites.  How does that prove me wrong?




See what I mean? A totally disingenuous interpretation of those graphs. Anyone with common sense looks at those graphs and sees that 1995 is the year when the growth in the black prison population began to slow.




So you think it's a victory when the rate of GROWTH slows down, but the overall rate increases?  Talk about being completely disingenuous in the argument. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: qman]
    #27097768 - 12/19/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Regardless, it is a single data point.

Imagine if you told me people are suffering because of COVID, and I said nuh uh, and then we hashed it out on the basis of a graph of the DJIA.


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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27097772 - 12/19/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit: @fal

I didn’t mean that as a compliment. You get bogged down in the specifics too much and it doesn’t do you any favors. That’s why other posters just ignore you when you ask for clarification.


Takes probably 5 min to look up a few articles/studies from the past 25 years explaining the downsides of the 94 crime bill.  Like I said, it’s pretty much universally agreed upon (across the political spectrum)  that it increased incarceration/expanded the police state. Conservatives think it didn’t go far enough, leftists think it went too far, and liberals think it was just right with maybe a few flaws (but also upsides!) in their typical Goldilocks fashion. Why even argue this on the basis of a single data point? Especially when you know the person you’re arguing with isn’t going to change their mind.  Complete waste of time imo, especially when you can easily antagonize koods on so many other legitimate points.




Koods needs to let the Clinton's know their apology over the crime bill wasn't necessary to the black community. :rofl2: He should tell them they have nothing to apologize for in the first place (according to koods logic).


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