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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods] 2
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Don't get me wrong, they both DO suck.. Both, perhaps all of the political parties are controlled by the Capitalist Elite, there is no real choice.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods]
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koods said: Plenty of people have debunked this.
It's always good to post a link.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I did a quick search for what you posted, and here's what I found:
Forensic auditors find shocking 68% error rate in one Michigan county's votes
I haven't read the whole article yet, but it's an interesting headline.
Hey FW, are you still officially undecided whether the 2020 presidential election was legitimate or not?
Moving on - I'm curious what your search terms were - because this is what I found (emphasis mine):
Source: https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-546936--,00.html
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Misinformation campaign concerning Antrim County expected to continue
On Sunday, individuals with no apparent technical expertise in election technology were permitted to gather images of Dominion voting equipment in Antrim County. While the information they gathered is subject to a court-issued protective order, the Michigan Department of State warns voters to be wary of the claims that the group may make in coming days. Members of the group have previously made false statements, shared fake documents and made baseless claims about the election that have been widely debunked and rejected in multiple courts.
“It is disappointing, though not surprising, that the primary goal of this group is to continue spreading false information designed to erode the public’s confidence in the election. By doing so, they injure our democracy and dishonor the 5.5. million Michigan citizens who cast ballots,” said Michigan Department of State spokesperson Jake Rollow. “As Attorney General William Barr, the FBI and CISA have found, this was the most secure election in our nation’s history and, despite unprecedented scrutiny, there has been no evidence of widespread fraud identified whatsoever.”
If any candidate truly thought that the Dominion machines failed to correctly count ballots, they could and should have requested a hand-recount of ballots. No recounts of state elections were requested in Antrim County.
The Antrim County unofficial reporting error has already been thoroughly explained and did not impact tabulation. It was prompted by the clerk not updating media drives in some of the machines in Antrim County, an accidental human error. Reporting errors are common, and always caught and corrected in the county canvass, if not before, as was the case in Antrim County. More information is available on the MDOS Fact Check webpage, Michigan.gov/SOSFactCheck.
To further safeguard public confidence, the Bureau of Elections will be working with clerks to conduct an audit of all ballots in Antrim County. While there is no evidence the tabulators malfunctioned in any way, the audit of all ballots cast in the presidential election will confirm all machines counted ballots properly and will disprove the ongoing disinformation campaign attempting to undermine confidence in the election.
The Bureau of Elections and clerks will also conduct a statewide risk-limiting audit that will confirm tabulators across the state functioned properly. A statewide pilot risk-limiting audit demonstrated the accuracy of the machines following the March 10, 2020, presidential primary. Procedural audits of precincts and absent voter counting boards will also be conducted in more than 200 jurisdictions. A preliminary list of the jurisdictions will be released this week.
Source: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--547422--,00.html
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AG, SOS: Plaintiff's Report in Antrim County Election Lawsuit Demonstrates Lack of Credible Evidence in Widespread Fraud or Wrongdoing
Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, in an Antrim County court hearing today, did not object to the public release of a report on Dominion software from the partisan organization Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG), in order to demonstrate the “report” is actually another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election.
“Let’s be clear: Michigan’s Nov. 3 general election was the most secure in our state's history,” said Secretary Benson upon the release of the report. “There continues to be no evidence of widespread fraud, as affirmed by state and federal agencies including Attorney General William Barr, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing – or genuine suspicion thereof – they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state. They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election. Their actions are a corruption of the courts and the rule of law, as the release of today’s report clearly demonstrates.”
A lawsuit filed in 13th Circuit Court, Bailey v Antrim County, seeks to challenge Antrim County’s election results, posing false claims of fraud and accompanied with a report filled with errors and clear bias.
“Oftentimes, a party will hire an expert witness to support the conclusion that the party wants or needs to reach. It’s why we give the other parties in a lawsuit a chance to depose the expert and challenge their qualifications in court,” Attorney General Nessel said. “Anyone can have an opinion, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the opinion is based on fact or science.”
ASOG authored the “preliminary forensic audit,” which was made public by the judge today. The group, however, has no apparent expertise in election administration and technology. Their work is limited to the previous release and amplification of other false information and fake documents. As expected, the plaintiff’s most recent report on Antrim County is similarly critically flawed, filled with dramatic conclusions without any evidence to support them.
Today’s activity comes on the heels of last week’s announcement from the Department of State that the Bureau of Elections is planning the most comprehensive set of election audits in the state’s history. This will include a statewide risk-limiting audit, several local procedural audits, and a zero-margin risk-limiting-audit of all ballots in Antrim County. The latter, which will be conducted on Thursday, Dec. 17, is expected to confirm that votes cast for president were machine-tabulated correctly. A similar statewide risk-limiting audit demonstrated the accuracy of the state’s voting machines following the March 10 presidential primary.
In response to a previously unsigned version of the ASOG report, Michigan Bureau of Elections Director Jonathan Brater made a preliminary declaration under oath for the court. In his statement, Brater said it was apparent to him “… that the report makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting.”
There are several legal concerns with the report and testimony submitted in Bailey v Antrim County, including the portions provided by Russell Ramsland, one of the “expert” witnesses in the case.
A Detroit Free Press story from Nov. 21 quotes Rudy Giuliani as saying Michigan has “over-votes in numerous precincts of 150%, 200% and 300%.” Giuliani’s source was an affidavit from Ramsland, who is a former Republican congressional candidate. All 19 of the precincts cited in his affidavit are in Minnesota, not Michigan. Ramsland has also inaccurately stated the voter turnout rate in Detroit, saying it was nearly three times higher than it actually was.
The qualifications of those who authored the report are suspect, with no evidence or credentials provided to back up their “expertise.” Authors in the report also make unverified and unsupported claims that “fraud,” “intentional errors” and “bad faith” decisions made by election officials led them to their conclusions in the report. Moreover, many of their assertions are unsupported by evidence, with some even constituting hearsay and clearly show that the authors lack first-hand knowledge of events.
Michigan Rule of Evidence 702 states that if the court determines that scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue, a witness qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education may testify thereto in the form of an opinion or otherwise if (1) the testimony is based on sufficient facts or data, (2) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods, and (3) the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to the facts of the case. That has not happened in this case yet.
Past court rulings have found that the trial court has a fundamental duty to ensure that all expert testimony is reliable (Gilbert v DaimlerChrysler Corp), and that the knowledge of the testimony must be more than “subjective belief or unsupported speculation” (Daubert v Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals). At the conclusion of discovery, the Department of Attorney General will have the opportunity to request that the plaintiff’s report be stricken from use in these proceedings.
The public will be able to view the Department of State’s official audit of the Antrim County presidential election. Details will be announced prior to the audit’s commencement on Thursday, Dec. 17.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: chopstick] 1
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If he's an establishment politician, why did they have to engage in a massive voter fraud operation to get him out?
They didn't. He is engaging in an attempted coup to stay in despite the voters wanting him out.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: chopstick]
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They literally have proof now from a forensic audit that the machines in Michigan switched votes around.
That doesn't mean it was fraud, though.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: psi] 1
#27090401 - 12/15/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: The bleach thing was pretty boneheaded and demonstrated that he was out of his depth on the topic, but I don't think anyone was harmed. His dumb comments about chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine did seem to result in some harm though.
Many poison control centers reported that some people were harmed from drinking or gargling bleach and disinfectants, and a relatively large number tried it. For instance almost 30 people in North Texas drank bleach following the President's comments. Other hot spots included East Coast states and Illinois. IDK, maybe poison control centers are part of some deep state conspiracy to make Trump look bad.
There are scores of references. Just google, "did people drink bleach?" and "did people drink disinfectants?", and all the stories are in reference to August, right after Trump's statements.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27090431 - 12/15/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Hey FW, are you still officially undecided whether the 2020 presidential election was legitimate or not?
I'm keeping an open mind to see what the evidence shows. As you know, I'm not really into make believing what's true.
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shivas.wisdom said: this is what I found (emphasis mine):
Source: https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-546936--,00.html
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Misinformation campaign concerning Antrim County expected to continue
On Sunday, individuals with no apparent technical expertise in election technology were permitted to gather images of Dominion voting equipment in Antrim County. While the information they gathered is subject to a court-issued protective order, the Michigan Department of State warns voters to be wary of the claims that the group may make in coming days. Members of the group have previously made false statements, shared fake documents and made baseless claims about the election that have been widely debunked and rejected in multiple courts.
“It is disappointing, though not surprising, that the primary goal of this group is to continue spreading false information designed to erode the public’s confidence in the election. By doing so, they injure our democracy and dishonor the 5.5. million Michigan citizens who cast ballots,” said Michigan Department of State spokesperson Jake Rollow. “As Attorney General William Barr, the FBI and CISA have found, this was the most secure election in our nation’s history and, despite unprecedented scrutiny, there has been no evidence of widespread fraud identified whatsoever.”
If any candidate truly thought that the Dominion machines failed to correctly count ballots, they could and should have requested a hand-recount of ballots. No recounts of state elections were requested in Antrim County.
The Antrim County unofficial reporting error has already been thoroughly explained and did not impact tabulation. It was prompted by the clerk not updating media drives in some of the machines in Antrim County, an accidental human error. Reporting errors are common, and always caught and corrected in the county canvass, if not before, as was the case in Antrim County. More information is available on the MDOS Fact Check webpage, Michigan.gov/SOSFactCheck.
To further safeguard public confidence, the Bureau of Elections will be working with clerks to conduct an audit of all ballots in Antrim County. While there is no evidence the tabulators malfunctioned in any way, the audit of all ballots cast in the presidential election will confirm all machines counted ballots properly and will disprove the ongoing disinformation campaign attempting to undermine confidence in the election.
The Bureau of Elections and clerks will also conduct a statewide risk-limiting audit that will confirm tabulators across the state functioned properly. A statewide pilot risk-limiting audit demonstrated the accuracy of the machines following the March 10, 2020, presidential primary. Procedural audits of precincts and absent voter counting boards will also be conducted in more than 200 jurisdictions. A preliminary list of the jurisdictions will be released this week.
What "individuals with no apparent technical expertise in election technology" or "Group" was being referred to in your article? Sure, I'll "be wary of the claims that the group may make in coming days", but I don't even know what group it was, and the warning was posted on 8 Dec, while the audit results from the Washington Times was posted on 14 Dec by "Allied Security Operations Group — a team of defense, military, Secret Service and intelligence professionals, led in part by an academic from Harvard with expertise in business and technology", who was authorized by Judge Kevin Elsenheimer to audit the results. 
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AG, SOS: Plaintiff's Report in Antrim County Election Lawsuit Demonstrates Lack of Credible Evidence in Widespread Fraud or Wrongdoing
Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, in an Antrim County court hearing today, did not object to the public release of a report on Dominion software from the partisan organization Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG), in order to demonstrate the “report” is actually another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election.
“Let’s be clear: Michigan’s Nov. 3 general election was the most secure in our state's history,” said Secretary Benson upon the release of the report. “There continues to be no evidence of widespread fraud, as affirmed by state and federal agencies including Attorney General William Barr, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing – or genuine suspicion thereof – they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state. They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election. Their actions are a corruption of the courts and the rule of law, as the release of today’s report clearly demonstrates.”
A lawsuit filed in 13th Circuit Court, Bailey v Antrim County, seeks to challenge Antrim County’s election results, posing false claims of fraud and accompanied with a report filled with errors and clear bias.
“Oftentimes, a party will hire an expert witness to support the conclusion that the party wants or needs to reach. It’s why we give the other parties in a lawsuit a chance to depose the expert and challenge their qualifications in court,” Attorney General Nessel said. “Anyone can have an opinion, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the opinion is based on fact or science.”
ASOG authored the “preliminary forensic audit,” which was made public by the judge today. The group, however, has no apparent expertise in election administration and technology. Their work is limited to the previous release and amplification of other false information and fake documents. As expected, the plaintiff’s most recent report on Antrim County is similarly critically flawed, filled with dramatic conclusions without any evidence to support them.
Today’s activity comes on the heels of last week’s announcement from the Department of State that the Bureau of Elections is planning the most comprehensive set of election audits in the state’s history. This will include a statewide risk-limiting audit, several local procedural audits, and a zero-margin risk-limiting-audit of all ballots in Antrim County. The latter, which will be conducted on Thursday, Dec. 17, is expected to confirm that votes cast for president were machine-tabulated correctly. A similar statewide risk-limiting audit demonstrated the accuracy of the state’s voting machines following the March 10 presidential primary.
In response to a previously unsigned version of the ASOG report, Michigan Bureau of Elections Director Jonathan Brater made a preliminary declaration under oath for the court. In his statement, Brater said it was apparent to him “… that the report makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting.”
There are several legal concerns with the report and testimony submitted in Bailey v Antrim County, including the portions provided by Russell Ramsland, one of the “expert” witnesses in the case.
A Detroit Free Press story from Nov. 21 quotes Rudy Giuliani as saying Michigan has “over-votes in numerous precincts of 150%, 200% and 300%.” Giuliani’s source was an affidavit from Ramsland, who is a former Republican congressional candidate. All 19 of the precincts cited in his affidavit are in Minnesota, not Michigan. Ramsland has also inaccurately stated the voter turnout rate in Detroit, saying it was nearly three times higher than it actually was.
The qualifications of those who authored the report are suspect, with no evidence or credentials provided to back up their “expertise.” Authors in the report also make unverified and unsupported claims that “fraud,” “intentional errors” and “bad faith” decisions made by election officials led them to their conclusions in the report. Moreover, many of their assertions are unsupported by evidence, with some even constituting hearsay and clearly show that the authors lack first-hand knowledge of events.
Michigan Rule of Evidence 702 states that if the court determines that scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue, a witness qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education may testify thereto in the form of an opinion or otherwise if (1) the testimony is based on sufficient facts or data, (2) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods, and (3) the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to the facts of the case. That has not happened in this case yet.
Past court rulings have found that the trial court has a fundamental duty to ensure that all expert testimony is reliable (Gilbert v DaimlerChrysler Corp), and that the knowledge of the testimony must be more than “subjective belief or unsupported speculation” (Daubert v Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals). At the conclusion of discovery, the Department of Attorney General will have the opportunity to request that the plaintiff’s report be stricken from use in these proceedings.
The public will be able to view the Department of State’s official audit of the Antrim County presidential election. Details will be announced prior to the audit’s commencement on Thursday, Dec. 17.
That report sounds much more solid, though it also says a final determination on the reliability of this won't be made until 17 Dec.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27090468 - 12/15/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, we know. You voted for Trump to wtfpwn the democrats. You really showed them.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: chopstick]
#27090479 - 12/15/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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chopstick said: The voter fraud is very, very real
No, no, no. Just no. Loser Trump has filed MANY lawsuits alleging fraud and guess how that's going? He's lost them all because there's no evidence of fraud. To put it in terms you'll understand: it's bigly bad for Trump and his supporters. Stop drinking the QAnon juice, it's making you look really really foolish, to put it lightly...
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Brian Jones]
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psi said: The bleach thing was pretty boneheaded and demonstrated that he was out of his depth on the topic, but I don't think anyone was harmed. His dumb comments about chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine did seem to result in some harm though.
Many poison control centers reported that some people were harmed from drinking or gargling bleach and disinfectants, and a relatively large number tried it. For instance almost 30 people in North Texas drank bleach following the President's comments. Other hot spots included East Coast states and Illinois. IDK, maybe poison control centers are part of some deep state conspiracy to make Trump look bad.
There are scores of references. Just google, "did people drink bleach?" and "did people drink disinfectants?", and all the stories are in reference to August, right after Trump's statements.
Oh, I guess I didn't really look into it. I hadn't heard of any examples until now.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: psi]
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Though Trump never told anyone to drink bleach, Biden implied he did.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
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He didn't tell anyone to drink aquarium drugs either, but I think his stupid and uninformed statements on the topic had a lot to do with that couple's stupid decision to do so. I think there may have been other similar examples but I could be wrong.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: psi]
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Like I said to psilynut page or two ago: trying to have a factual conversation with Falcon about Trump stuff is a waste of time. They deny obvious truths in reality. I'd like to see this thread stay on topic regarding how Trump is or isn't a dictator. We all know the "inject bleach" story that happened a while ago and involved Trump proving he's stupid AF. Let's drop it.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: psi]
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He said "virus" and "hoax" in a speech, but in context he wasn't really saying that the virus wasn't real...
...and yet, what did his supporters hear? What are his people gasping on their deathbeds? "covid isn't real, demcrat hoax"
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: trying to have a factual conversation with Falcon about Trump stuff is a waste of time. They deny obvious truths in reality.
I'll ask you what I everyone who makes this claim - can you please post something I said that proves I deny obvious truths?
Quote exactly what I said, please. No generalities.
This question rarely gets answered, but maybe you can break that trend?
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I'd like to see this thread stay on topic regarding how Trump is or isn't a dictator.
I would say he definitely isn't, but not for lack of trying.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: psi]
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Would you say he's a wanna-be dictator?
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shivas.wisdom said: Hey FW, are you still officially undecided whether the 2020 presidential election was legitimate or not?
I'm keeping an open mind to see what the evidence shows. As you know, I'm not really into make believing what's true.
Have you found any compelling evidence yet? Open-mindedness is hearing an extraordinary claim, and being willing to consider the supporting evidence before making a conclusion. Responding to an extraordinary claim by giving it creedence based on currently-non-existent-but-hypothetically-possible-evidence is closer to spreading disinformation than it is to being open-minded.
Which is another way of saying no, I don't know that you're not really into make believing what's true. You might have been able to understand the meaning of Trump’s and Vahn421's words better than anyone else on this forum - but clearly that superpower doesn't extend to me.
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Some people are into make believing what's true . Way too much .
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A former Houston Police Department captain who in October alleged without evidence a widespread ballot harvesting scheme perpetrated by Harris County Democrats was arrested Tuesday, accused of pointing a gun at a man while attempting to investigate his claims.
Mark A. Aguirre, 63, faces a felony charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon stemming from the Oct. 19 confrontation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/Ex-Houston-police-captain-who-alleged-unfounded-15803963.php
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#27090733 - 12/15/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Would you say he's a wanna-be dictator?
Yeah I'd agree with that. The methods for a successful democratic overthrow are there, but others' personal restraint kept it from happening. Armed revolt by his supporter is still conceivable, and they do have the firearms to raise a huge ruckus, but I don't know about the willingness to die.
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