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Xanax helps???
    #27024835 - 11/06/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

When I grew golden teachers I would have a great experience. Always wanna to dose higher. Now my last 2 trips have been bad to the point I start to panic. When that happens I just drink water and put the phish song on “everything ‘s right” and it calms me a little.
    I took only one treasure coast mushroom and one Honduras mushroom. I thought it was very mild at first after a half hour (usually the trip begins for me after 20 30 mins) but after a hour or so bam! Nice cool visuals I would of enjoyed if I didn’t have so much feeling of anxiety. My question is will Xanax help during a trip?


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion] * 1
    #27024847 - 11/06/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It'll alleviate anxiety from the psychedelic experience but you'll no longer be tripping once it kicks in. It and other benzos are often used as trip killers


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: evlyshrooms] * 1
    #27024852 - 11/06/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its my experience that a little bit of benzo helps you face the trip, a strong dose of benzos kinda kills the trip and a high dose puts you in a blackout state while tripping which means its good ole Erowid Trainwreck time.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Asante]
    #27024859 - 11/06/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks I just been having a tough time lately.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27024874 - 11/06/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What is your normal dose of Xanax?

Xanax tends to come in 0.25-0.5-1-2mg tablets.

A mild dose for taking the edge off your trip without damaging the trip too much is 0.125-0.25mg xanax, so you have an idea.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27024878 - 11/06/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Is there any other methods I can do to make the trips more happy and less of a nightmare feeling. I kept saying a mantra “everything is love” worked a lil but not much. I then tried laying on my bed and meditating but I was just seeing dark storm clouds forming with my eyes closed.
    Is it the variety? I think I might buy some ms from the vendor I got the golden teachers from and see if there is a difference. I remember Terrance McKenna say the mushrooms are easy on beginners but tough on experienced people. Maybe I’m crossing over to that. I swear Terrance McKenna is one of the bravest guys to take his mind through all those psychedelic experiences. He did lsd and at the peak of his lsd trip he smoked dmt. Fk that scares me


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Asante]
    #27024882 - 11/06/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What is your normal dose of Xanax?

Xanax tends to come in 0.25-0.5-1-2mg tablets.

A mild dose for taking the edge off your trip without damaging the trip too much is 0.125-0.25mg xanax, so you have an idea.




I’ll take 1-2grams when I have them ( I’m not a regular user of them) I’ll try taking your advice and take a .25


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion] * 1
    #27024914 - 11/06/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think a very important part of the psychedelic experience is that fear that you feel. The come-up anxiety is perfectly normal and I think it is normal to "panic" when your ego is dissolving.

My last trip with APEs, I increased the dose from my previous trip by 0.5g. With normal cubes, that increase wouldn't be too drastic. Well with APEs, it was an unexpected jump and resulted in the hardest trip of my life. I have never been consumed by fear by such magnitude. I think the fear really hit hard because I went from feeling normal to dissolving into the cosmos in an instant (I had tea with lemon).

I've never had such a difficult time in my entire life. But I'm glad I experienced it. I learned a lot from it about myself and the nature of fear itself.

Anyway, I'd suggest staying away from Xanax. I think the difficult moments that arise during the trip are necessary to the entirety of it. Once I overcame that fear on my last trip, which felt like forever, I entered a place of unimaginable bliss. So I took that as the message

"To appreciate light, you must experience darkness"


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27024940 - 11/06/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I like that quote you added at the end.. so just keep dosing and eventually I can get back to that feeling of bliss with golden teachers? I was having strong visuals last night that I usually like but was just trying to ignore because my head space wasn’t right. It’s just wild I only ate one TC shroom and 1 Honduras and tripped that hard. It has to be less then 2g


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 3
    #27024943 - 11/06/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Theres definitely something to be said about facing those anxieties and fears head on. Learning to navigate those negative emotions is very much a transferable SKILL you can implement in your day to day life.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: evlyshrooms]
    #27024957 - 11/06/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think maybe I’ll start meditating a lot before my next go at it.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion] * 2
    #27024989 - 11/06/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree facing your fear and anxieties is very important.


As far as making the trips happier. Well that sort of thing is dependent on you. No other outside force or substance can change that with out your permission.

One must be willing to face uncomfortable truths about ourselves and our world and integrate those things for better or worse. Don't advert your eyes just because its hard.

Once you find what is making you so afraid, the trips will open up like a flower and nirvana will be close but so will hell. At all times this is true whether tripping or not.

These abyss' we face can be daunting but remember many have traveled and come back over the millenniums.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27024997 - 11/06/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks that eases my anxiety for my next trip. I’ll definitely keep that in mind.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion] * 1
    #27025161 - 11/06/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I like that quote you added at the end.. so just keep dosing and eventually I can get back to that feeling of bliss with golden teachers? I was having strong visuals last night that I usually like but was just trying to ignore because my head space wasn’t right. It’s just wild I only ate one TC shroom and 1 Honduras and tripped that hard. It has to be less then 2g




Every trip is different and it's important to note that not every trip is going to be "visual". And because of varying potency, you can have a 2g dose as strong as a 3g dose or a 3g dose weaker than 1g. So it's all relative.

Anyway, in my experience, lower doses make me more uncomfortable. They aren't "frightening" but can be more unsettling because the entire "trip" never gets past the "come-up" stage.

Higher doses can be more frightening during the come-up and at various points among the waves, but they almost always give way, at least from my experience, to something incredible.

Instead of Xanax, get a scale so you can weigh your doses for more consistency.

Pick a dose and work with it. Slowly increase your dose over the course of a few trips (giving enough time in between for tolerance reset).

You won't avoid the anxiety but working your way up can help you anticipate it and deal with it better.

Or take a big dose and dive in. The earth shattering experience might just take you beyond that fear.

For what it's worth, dealing with anxiety and fear during my trip has alleviated fear in my sober life. So I find it incredibly valuable to be able to work through those rough patches during trips.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27025177 - 11/06/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I wanna go higher especially with the golden teachers. These other varieties have me feeling bad. Idk what
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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27025217 - 11/06/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You should face your fears and don't run to Xanax.
If you seek for your consciousness to be dulled with Xanax you should ask yourself why you are taking psychedelics?


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: kneesocks]
    #27025235 - 11/06/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Your right it’s been hard so far. I need to just
Go with it. It’s so the opposite though


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion] * 1
    #27029761 - 11/09/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Your right it’s been hard so far. I need to just
Go with it. It’s so the opposite though




That's the norm for many people. Although I still consider myself a novice psyconaut, when I first started I played around a lot with 0.5-1.5g doses because I was afraid to jump in deeper. Yet the 3g+ doses I took every few months were amazing. So I grew APEs because I figured 0.5-1.5g of APEs would be closer to higher doses of regular cubes (and I was right, my 1.5g APE dose felt stronger than any 3.5g dose I've taken of non-PE cubes).

Anyway, it took time to break into higher doses and even still, there comes an anxiety before diving in. But after enough low doses, I realized that I'm ready and comfortable climbing higher so long as I maintain the right intention. And so far, although I've had some hard trips, its all been far more worthwhile than all of my low dose trips combined.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: kneesocks] * 1
    #27029812 - 11/09/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You should face your fears and don't run to Xanax.
If you seek for your consciousness to be dulled with Xanax you should ask yourself why you are taking psychedelics?





Can confirm, benzo patient here, been taking them 12 years straight. Mixing them with psychedelics, well, you just require a higher dose. Especially if its xanax or klonopin. I had been taking 4mg/day clonazepam prescribed by my doctor before I cut back a bit, and I can definitively say that they take away from the experience. I always needed double the dose of my friends and it still wasn't as immersive as it likely would have been with less benzos/no benzos.

Benzos are like, a last ditch effort for stopping a horrific psychedelic experience, and even then, you'll still be tripping but your mind will be kind of a blank slate. No insights, no horrors either. Problem is that you will get even more anxious the longer you take the benzos, and then the psychedelics will just exacerbate that issue


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: skOsH]
    #27029979 - 11/09/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

im not mr mckenna. so when i take 5+ grams for the real psilocybin experience. sometimes its a little much on the mind and ill eat a quarter to half a xanax bar. it gets rid of all the head space shit. doesnt affect the visuals in my opinion. i ate ten grams before and the visuals where so fucking amazing and everything was fine for 2 hours but it got to be a little to much and my anxiety was pretty bad. ate a half a xanax and it chilled me out and i enjoyed the fractals.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: No Face]
    #27030603 - 11/09/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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im not mr mckenna. so when i take 5+ grams for the real psilocybin experience. sometimes its a little much on the mind and ill eat a quarter to half a xanax bar. it gets rid of all the head space shit. doesnt affect the visuals in my opinion. i ate ten grams before and the visuals where so fucking amazing and everything was fine for 2 hours but it got to be a little to much and my anxiety was pretty bad. ate a half a xanax and it chilled me out and i enjoyed the fractals.




I love Terrance Mckenna and Dennis. I’ve been having great visuals on about 2.5 g of certain varieties of mushrooms. My last trip I had intense visuals but was trying to ignore it because my head space was just terrible. 5g just gives me the feeling when I was in hs before a big football game or wrestling match. It just gives me so much anxiety from my last bad experiences.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27030605 - 11/09/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I wish it was just visuals without the head space


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27030607 - 11/09/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I also prefer mushroom over lsd because when I’m ready to sleep I can on mushrooms. On lsd I can’t sleep. I can only do that weird half sleep. On mushrooms I’ll have a bad trip but great dreams when I fall asleep.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27030613 - 11/09/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I low dose mdma "appetizer" all but erases the panic push I get from tryptamine come up. 1.5-2hrs before 50-75mg is perfect for me.

If you want just visual with no headspace 2cb is the ticket, it is like psychedelic champagne

Love.me.some everything's right

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Time to get out, I paid my dues
I need to shout there's no time to lose
No more to give, the well is dry
The pavement's warm, my brain is fried
It's time to get out, I paid my dues
My shoes have holes, my socks are bare
The mirror's secret is I'm losing my hair
I'm in prison without a crime
The sentence stretches on undefined
It's time to get out, I paid my dues
I paid my dues

But, everything's right, so just hold tight
Everything's right, so just hold tight






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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion] * 1
    #27030711 - 11/09/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

just gotta go into it welcoming all the weirdness in its entirety and youll enjoy it


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27030776 - 11/09/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Xanax and other benzos will dull the trip, but they won't kill it outright. It can be fun sometimes to combine the two, but I don't recommend it because it does dull some parts of the trip.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: nooneman]
    #27030893 - 11/09/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Check out Lemon Balm tea, 3 to 4.5 grams of dried leaves made as a tea consumed with the mushrooms.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Sabnock]
    #27031031 - 11/10/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I personally love come ups on tryptamines, they make me feel hyped for the experience.

If I get anxiety I just close my eyes, do some deep breathing, before I know it, I am tripping :smile:


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27031410 - 11/10/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Exstortion said:
I like that quote you added at the end.. so just keep dosing and eventually I can get back to that feeling of bliss with golden teachers? I was having strong visuals last night that I usually like but was just trying to ignore because my head space wasn’t right. It’s just wild I only ate one TC shroom and 1 Honduras and tripped that hard. It has to be less then 2g




Every trip is different and it's important to note that not every trip is going to be "visual". And because of varying potency, you can have a 2g dose as strong as a 3g dose or a 3g dose weaker than 1g. So it's all relative.

Anyway, in my experience, lower doses make me more uncomfortable. They aren't "frightening" but can be more unsettling because the entire "trip" never gets past the "come-up" stage.

Higher doses can be more frightening during the come-up and at various points among the waves, but they almost always give way, at least from my experience, to something incredible.

Instead of Xanax, get a scale so you can weigh your doses for more consistency.

Pick a dose and work with it. Slowly increase your dose over the course of a few trips (giving enough time in between for tolerance reset).

You won't avoid the anxiety but working your way up can help you anticipate it and deal with it better.

Or take a big dose and dive in. The earth shattering experience might just take you beyond that fear.

For what it's worth, dealing with anxiety and fear during my trip has alleviated fear in my sober life. So I find it incredibly valuable to be able to work through those rough patches during trips.




That life shattering feeling is what is keeping from doing dmt again. I still have a descent amount left but I just can’t get the courage to do it again. I’m gonna take some shrooms again when I feel like I had a great day.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27031417 - 11/10/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
I low dose mdma "appetizer" all but erases the panic push I get from tryptamine come up. 1.5-2hrs before 50-75mg is perfect for me.

If you want just visual with no headspace 2cb is the ticket, it is like psychedelic champagne

Love.me.some everything's right

Quote:

Time to get out, I paid my dues
I need to shout there's no time to lose
No more to give, the well is dry
The pavement's warm, my brain is fried
It's time to get out, I paid my dues
My shoes have holes, my socks are bare
The mirror's secret is I'm losing my hair
I'm in prison without a crime
The sentence stretches on undefined
It's time to get out, I paid my dues
I paid my dues

But, everything's right, so just hold tight
Everything's right, so just hold tight









Hey man that song is great! When I’m having a tough time on a trip I play that song and it helps to put me at ease. I gotta do some research on phish. I had a friend then seems them religiously. I never cared too much for them until I started taking trips. He’s also the first guy to introduce me to lsd. I gotta get back in contact with him.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Sabnock]
    #27031419 - 11/10/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Sabnock said:
Check out Lemon Balm tea, 3 to 4.5 grams of dried leaves made as a tea consumed with the mushrooms.




What’s the tea do?


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    #27031435 - 11/10/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Sabnock said:
Check out Lemon Balm tea, 3 to 4.5 grams of dried leaves made as a tea consumed with the mushrooms.




What’s the tea do?



relieves anxiety naturally


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    #27031456 - 11/10/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Okay thanks I’m gonna check it out.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27031625 - 11/10/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Sabnock said:
Check out Lemon Balm tea, 3 to 4.5 grams of dried leaves made as a tea consumed with the mushrooms.




What’s the tea do?




Yeah it relieves anxiety, provides some relaxation, and smooths out the come up. It contains a compound called Rosmarinic Acid which inhibits GABA Transaminase and raises GABA levels in the brain, i've used it successfully with mushrooms, with 4-ACO-DMT, with Psilohuasca, and with Ayahuasca, and it does pretty good and doesn't seem to take away from the benefits or headspace or overall experience ime, my gf and some of her friends have also tried it and seem to like it. So it's a pretty good natural option for anxiety relief compared to using benzos imo.


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Re: Xanax helps??? [Re: Exstortion]
    #27031674 - 11/10/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey man that song is great! When I’m having a tough time on a trip I play that song and it helps to put me at ease. I gotta do some research on phish. I had a friend then seems them religiously. I never cared too much for them until I started taking trips. He’s also the first guy to introduce me to lsd. I gotta get back in contact with him.




Well you have a new friend in me who has also seen phish somewhat religously going on 28 years now :jah:


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