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The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 16 years after update! * 20
    #27024712 - 11/06/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Asante said 10 years ago:

Guys I'm going to show you what was done, and then tell you how to do it!

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WHAT WAS DONE:


Species: Psilocybe cyanescens (Wavy Caps)
Activity: High (dried 12-25mg/gr)
Dimensions: 3 x 2 foot, 10 inches thick (approx 150 ltr)
Substrate: Course Beech Woodchips (pet bedding)
Purpose: Outdoor Spawn Reservoir
Status: mature bed, second flush
Location: Holland, early november



THE BED



Here's the bed. It was allowed to become mossy to see whether the patch moisture level would be positively affected and whether the moss would allow the patch to not just fruit on the sides (it's an uncased beech wood chip patch, which tend to only fruit peripherally), and with this second flush, the most abundant ever seen on this patch, a month after the first, this appears to be the case.



Wavy Caps poking right through the moss




Cream of the crop, what not to like about this picture? All aspects of the habitat show beautifully





Mycelium showing, note the wavy margins





Various growth stages, overgrowth as can be seen were stingy nettles




Tight cluster near the wall at the patch's edge





Note the prominent umbo's on the caps!





Harvesting just the biggest ones of the patch yielded 80 grams fresh; ~4gr fresh on average. Note the blueing already on the stems and the spore-bearing lamellae.




Given the number of shrooms still on the patch, this one flush will definitely yield about a dried ounce if it can ripen before the frost. The first flush, in early october, yielded about 8 dried grams.

Now, a bit later, the 1 dried ounce barrier was broken.

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HOW TO DO IT:

--You go to the webshops of some Shroomery Sponsors and buy a Psilocybe cyanescens spore syringe, some vermiculite and some brown rice flour. If they are out of Psilocybe cyanescens syringes you can opt for Psilocybe azurescens, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe bohemica, Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe serbica or Psilocybe moravica for similar results.

--You get a bunch of 1/2 pint jars (like ~250ml veggie jars from the supermarket) and with a nail you punch a hole in the center of the lids.

--of every 4 jars, you fill 2 with vermiculite, 1 with brown rice flour and 1 with water, then mix this to a loose "dough" and you loosely fill the jars with it, leaving about an inch free at the tops of the jars. Clean the inner rims, then cover with half an inch of straight, dry vermiculite and lay on the lids, don't screw them on. Cover the lids with a layer of tin foil.

--take a cooking pot, put a dishwashing cloth in and pour in 2 inches of water, then put the jars on top of that, on the stove and cover with a lid. Bring to a boil, then boil for 1 hour. Turn off the gas and let it cool down to room temperature overnight, leaving the lid of the pot on.

--the next day, take the jars out of the cooking pot and put them on the table. Shake the spore syringe well, then de-cap it, heat the needle with a disposable lighter till it sputters and drive it though the tin foil, through the hole, through the covering layer of vermiculite in your substrate. Wait 15 seconds then inject a bit of spore solution. Pull the needle out slowly and cover the tin foil with another layer of fresh tin foil. Repeat with all the jars. A syringe is generally 10cc. You should in theory be able to do 5 x 4 jars with it, but in practice 3x4 jars is more than ample. Put the jars in a closet at room temperature. You want to avoid drafts and excessive light. Do not handle the jars at all, if you can.

--After about 3-9 weeks, the jars will be completely covered in white mycelium, which basically looks as if they are stuffed with pure white cotton. Discard all jars that show strange colors immediately, by throwing them away whole and unopened. Now a joyous time begins: You have finished Sterile Technique and won't EVER have to work that carefully again.

--go to a petstore and get hardwood woodchips used for animal bedding. Do not use the ubiquitous yellowish compressed blocks of wood fiber, these are almost invariably softwoods (like pine) which are too resinous to support growth. What you want is the big loose bags of untreated wood chips. Good kinds are beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , sweet gum and sycamore wood chips. Chips used in smoking (fish or meat) are usually perfect.

--How many jars have made it?  Multiply this number by 10-20 and scoop that many jars of dry chips into a large container, and cover it with water, and leave it to soak up water for 24 hours, then let the water leach out for at least 1 hour.
Lets for simplicity's sake say 1 jar made it, and that you are preparing 10 jars of wood chips (2.5 liters) for it.

--open the jar(s) with mycelium and scratch the contents out with a fork in a bowl. Use the fork to crumble the mycelial mass as finely as you can. Then, add it to the 10fold excess of leached wood chips and mix it really well. Put it into a plastic storage box to a depth of about 4-10 inches and cover it with a trashbag, which you secure in place with a few clothespins so that iot is covered but the mycelium can breathe. Keep this at room temperature for several weeks to months, until it has grown shut. If its needed, but chances are it won't, mist the mycelium occasionally with a plant mister. When the chips are colonized a joyous time begins, because at this point it becomes very hard to screw the grow up anymore!

--If you don't have a garden and don't want to guerilla farm, you can put these boxes outside in autumn when temperatures range to 50'F to a little above freezing, the fully colonized chips covered with half an inch of potting soil. At these temperatures the mushrooms will fruit directly on top of the substrate, even if you don't use the soil layer.

--Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
The range can likely be extended also to zone 5, but the beds will need to be protected by applying a layer of fresh wood chips or a thicker layer of straw to survive the low temperatures in winter. You can check what USDA Hardiness zone you live in. If you grow in boxes and only take them outdoors during a few months of temperatures from 50'F to a little above freezing, colder zones are possible.

--If you do have a garden or want to take it to the forest, prepare wood chips by soaking and leaching as described before. Again, you use 10-20 times the volume. One jar led to 10 jars in the plastic box and thus will need 100 jars (25 liters = 6.5 gallons) of wood chips.

--In the ground, dig small tenches or holes about 4-10 inches deep. If you want to maximize your initial harvests, make trenches 4 inches deep and wide and as long as you want, side by side, spaced 4 inches apart. If you want maximum spawn per surface area, make it a few big shallow holes 10 inches deep. Use the moistest parts of your garden or forest, and especially under bushes etc where theres little wind and light. You guessed it: the very parts of your garden useless for gardening!

--break up the spawn, the fully grown woodchips from the box, as finely as possible and mix them very well with the excess of leached wood chips, then dump it into the trenches or holes. The chips level should be about even with the ground. At this point you can use your bare hands or a spade to do the mixing and handling. Alternatively you can simply cover the ground under the bushes with a 4 inch thick layer of chips and be rid of it. Its good to make several locations where you dump the spawn to always have a backup in case weed mushrooms take over a grow. This can be in the same garden, but I urge you to go evangelical and offer to mulch the gardens of tripping friends, make patches into the wild etc.

--if you did all this in spring, in late autumn you might already see your first harvest. If it does or doesnt, next season there will be a harvest. Water the patchers if really needed in summer, but dont overwater them. Shrooms are akin to the creature from the horror movie "The Thing": every single part of the organism, no matter how tiny, can be introduced to fresh wood chips and grow out to replicate the whole organism. The patch can dry out a bit, and revitalize after rain. It can take frosts of -25'C/0'F if it has to. At this point a really joyous time begins because not only will you be harvesting one of the worlds strongest mushrooms each year with minimal effort, but your grow has become virtually indestructible.

--in the years to come, after the patches showed their first or a few seasons of mushrooms, you can break up the patches and use them as spawn to make more patches. One mushroom patch can be expanded to ten mushroom patches. Ten to 100. You end up mulching gardens of nontripping family members because they see the benefits to their garden and see the mushrooms as a really cute addition to their garden in late fall. You can go to the forest with bags of spawn and mix it with decaying wood, here, there, everywhere!


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IS IT WORTH IT?



You be the judge. What I described, if taken step by step, is REALLY easy to do. It doesnt require expensive equipment or unobtainable supplies. It has a high success rate.

Wavy caps like in the picture have a potency of 12-25mg psiloc(yb)in per dried gram, making them 2-4x more potent than the common cubie thats being sold. They are easily identified and turn blue on bruising like nobodies business. The high, compared to cubies, seems to be clearer, higher energy, and more euphoric than that of cubies. If you dry them and store them in a jar in a dark closet they are still strong a year later. In the freezer, they stay potent for a decade or more.

Once the ball is rolling your growing of one of the strongest shrooms in the world becomes as sophisticated as the most basic gardening, and you in essence invest big bags of woodchips to get big bags of powerful shrooms. You will no longer be dependent on what a shady dealer might offer, but instead you have 100% organic shrooms in abundance, more than you can eat, and with your spawn you have the possibility to make your tripping friends independent too.

So you tell me, is it worth it?





Now, ten years after that post, I have been adding beech wood chips every 2-3 years, simply topping it off, and the Wavy Caps became endemic to the small bed.

I planted a small Sakura Tree in the middle of the bed.

This was the right move, it turned out, it resulted in the biggest crop ever.

In 2020, 10 years after the former post was made, and just having topped up the bed with more woodchips, a whopping 680 wet grams, 1.5lbs wet wavy caps, were harvested off the patch.

I was afraid that the Sakura would suck the patch dry but no, none of that at all, the mushrooms love the tree and the tree thrives.

This is what you get if you get into woodlovers: you do the sterile work once and then you mulch, and you mulch, and you mulch, and your woodlovers will keep on growing and yielding if you have a good strong species like Psilocybe cyanescens.

These are 2-3x as strong as cubensis, in the dry state typically they contain 12-18mg Psilocybin.

The harvest is huge for this wild patch, about 3x of an average year.

Last year I was an asshole about how I handled the bed. I had pain in my back and resentment in my heart so I poured a bag of beech wood chips in the indentation in the bed, I threw two buckets of water over it and went inside :crankey:


BUT NOW LOOK! BIGGEST HARVEST EVER!!









680 grams, 1.5lbs of fresh super strong Wavy Caps after chucking a bag of dry wood chips and two buckets of water onto a bed that was established about 12 years earlier. :rotfl:

I ask you again..


...is it worth it?


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Edited by Asante (11/19/23 10:21 AM)


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025158 - 11/06/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Boooooyaaaaaaah :awetongue:

God dayum...once I move somewhere that doesnt drop to freezing temps 9 months out of the year I'll be doing this exact thing.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Psicomb]
    #27032048 - 11/10/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

2-3x as strong as cubensis? The analysis I stick to (on wikipedia lol) says they are about 25% stronger. Are yours just that good?
Currently growing some wild baeos and cyans in bags :smile: had a shit time trying to get these on agar.


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Gymnopilus aeruginosus | Psilocybe baeocystis | Panaeolus bispora | Panaeolus olivaceus | Psilocybe allenii | Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata | Psilocybe silvatica | Psilocybe strictipes


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Saeurcybe]
    #27032063 - 11/10/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Bravo, lovely work there!


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Saeurcybe]
    #27032271 - 11/10/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I took half a gram of cyanescens once and it felt like about 2 grams of cubensis.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27033276 - 11/11/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No way man I'd say they are better than your average cubes but not even 2x. Then again I don't have much experience. I took 4.5g last Friday and I could still move :laugh:

I see the info pages on cyans say a lvl 5 dose is 2.8g, and for baeos lvl 5 dose is 5g but IME baeos are stronger.

Here's the table ripped from wikipedia (doesn't include psilocin or baeocystin sadly)
% dry weight as psilocybin:
P. baeocystis 0.85 (baeos also have higher baeocystin so id say they are stronger)
P. cyanescens 0.85
P. cubensis 0.63

That's based on measurements in Stamets' "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World" but it IS 24 years old, and I'd totally believe you can just grow some mad potent cyans :smile:

Regardless awesome work here btw. I want to get a Baeo patch in the garden for next season. probably some cyans too. I wanna grow azzys but it seems like they have tiny flushes. Right now I have baeos and cyans sitting on some corrugated cardboard and alder chips (decayed shit for the baeos) and am praying they show some signs of life in a few months


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Gotta catch 'em all (WA):

Common:
Gymnopilus junonius | Gymnopilus luteofolius | Panaeolus cinctulus | Psilocybe azurescens | Psilocybe cyanescens | Psilocybe pelliculosa | Psilocybe stuntzii | Psilocybe semilanceata

Uncommon:
Gymnopilus aeruginosus | Psilocybe baeocystis | Panaeolus bispora | Panaeolus olivaceus | Psilocybe allenii | Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata | Psilocybe silvatica | Psilocybe strictipes


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Saeurcybe]
    #27033403 - 11/11/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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No way man I'd say they are better than your average cubes but not even 2x. Then again I don't have much experience. I took 4.5g last Friday and I could still move :laugh:







From my own experience, I find cyans and allenii to consistently be 2 to 3 times more potent than any cubensis I've ate.

1g to 1.5g dry of cyans or allenii always puts me around the same "place" that 3g to 3.5g of cubensis does. I find 1g to 1.5g of cyans or allenii to be comparable to 3g to 3.5g of cubensis.

The times I've ate cyans or allenii fresh shortly after picking them from the patch...A single medium sized fresh mushroom weighing around 10g (wet) was more potent and had me way farther out than any full 8th of cubensis that I've ate.


The genetics of a patch and the substrate likely contributes to potency, so some patches might be a bit more or less potent than others, but I find woodlovers like cyans & allenii to be considerably more potent than any cubensis I've ate....even 1/2g will have me tripping.





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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: openmind]
    #27033478 - 11/11/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice work sir :super:


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Blazer420]
    #27033490 - 11/11/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm gonna start a patch like this year!  I wanted too, but this has inspired me especially since there's local cyans mycelium near me.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 12 years after update! [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27034633 - 11/12/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've been wanting to do this for years but I could never get it done, my wife wasn't on board.

Well around this time last year I was out for a walk in my yard and what do I find under one of my shrubs. Fuck yea a nice patch of cyanescens! Good thing I mulch.

Threw some chips on and now im sitting on a pretty nice patch. Now to replicate :smile:


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante] * 3
    #27527292 - 11/02/21 09:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I may have quit shrooms, but shrooms haven't quit me!

13 years after I first posted about my little wavy caps patch, it continues to fruit.

Its perennial. I mulch, they fruit, and this for 13 years now, and I think 15 years in total.

Aren't they lovely?






For roughly 1/3 of my life they are with me.

Sakura in spring, Wavy Caps in autumn.

How beautiful the transitional seasons!


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27527305 - 11/02/21 09:30 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Those look so scrumptious!


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27527323 - 11/02/21 09:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I have always associated the caps of my cyans, when wet, to Werther's Caramel candies, which I enjoy.

When they are moist and fresh, yummy caramel, a strong association. :homerdrool:


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #27529025 - 11/03/21 04:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

You're supposed to make a shallow bed of chips, I made one, way deeper than the 4 inches it fruits off. If you have woodlover mycelium at depths it can't fruit, its going to try get to the surface. So it sends mycelium everywhere, even through the soil, trying to find dead wood to fruit on.

So, you get a reservoir of mycelium it always grows back from.

I guess thats the secret to perennial patches of woodlovers, making 8-10inch deep beds they keep growing back from. Also, very frost resistant!
If it consumes chips, the thickness decreases, you top it up with chips and it wolfs its way through it to fruit on top.


Here, yummier!




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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #27529127 - 11/03/21 05:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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You're supposed to make a shallow bed of chips, I made one, way deeper than the 4 inches it fruits off. If you have woodlover mycelium at depths it can't fruit, its going to try get to the surface. So it sends mycelium everywhere, even through the soil, trying to find dead wood to fruit on.

So, you get a reservoir of mycelium it always grows back from.

I guess thats the secret to perennial patches of woodlovers, making 8-10inch deep beds they keep growing back from. Also, very frost resistant!
If it consumes chips, the thickness decreases, you top it up with chips and it wolfs its way through it to fruit on top.


Here, yummier!







How do you think this would work with Gymnopilus sp.? Gyms are a very hardy, robust woodlover with mycelium that persists throughout the cold, bitter winters of new england. They do require a very abundant substrate to produce fruits, however.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
    #27529609 - 11/04/21 02:54 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

If you keep topping up your substrate, I dont see why not.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
    #27529647 - 11/04/21 04:38 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

  XXfuzyxgamingXX-  Have you had success with WoodLover strains outdoors in New England?


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: DreamStoneLFOD]
    #27530019 - 11/04/21 11:28 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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  XXfuzyxgamingXX-  Have you had success with WoodLover strains outdoors in New England?



I have not experimented with cultivation yet altho I am very interested.
No one has been able to successfully cultivate G. Luteus before. All grow attempts have been insignificant or have failed. This is why I think this species will do best outdoors.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #27530023 - 11/04/21 11:30 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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If you keep topping up your substrate, I dont see why not.



I have observed firsthand how the mycelium will persist for years and will withstand cold winters. So I think it's possible. Thank you for sharing your strategy with us


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #27530334 - 11/04/21 03:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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  XXfuzyxgamingXX-  Have you had success with WoodLover strains outdoors in New England?



I have not experimented with cultivation yet altho I am very interested.
No one has been able to successfully cultivate G. Luteus before. All grow attempts have been insignificant or have failed. This is why I think this species will do best outdoors.





The past summer was amazing for fungi.
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If you keep topping up your substrate, I dont see why not.



Nice garden dude. It is truly amazing to see mycelium eating wood chips. 🤘☮️🤘


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: DreamStoneLFOD]
    #27538705 - 11/11/21 02:58 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I decided that letting them stand would be a waste so, I gifted them to a tripping couple.

205gr fresh Wavy Caps to go.



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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #27538762 - 11/11/21 04:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:cheers:


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #27538785 - 11/11/21 05:22 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Asante have you considered what you would do if you moved?

Would you destroy the patch, leave the patch but notify the new residents somehow or leave it and say nothing?


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    #27539528 - 11/11/21 04:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

My tripping friends have dibs on the patch if I move or die, they can dig it up and use it to start theirs.


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    #27581791 - 12/15/21 01:05 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I got my very first cyan fruit. About 1 year total from agar>sawdust>buried with chips and more sod(spring)>fruit(oct-dec). I got 2 jars



I planted them under a hydrangea and had to poke holes in the myc to actually allow water to the hydrangea's roots. They might kill it.
I watered every day through the spring because hydrangeas are thirsty. The mushrooms did not seem to mind especially with how dry spring/summer was in 2021.
My buddy who gave me the colonized bag also buried one but did not water daily and didn't get anything this year.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Saeurcybe] * 2
    #27614296 - 01/10/22 04:44 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

OK, I'm doing it!  Spores ordered.  I was lightly tripping this weekend while doing some yardwork outside and found the perfect spot:

Mostly shady, but with patchy sun at times.  In an existing garden bed where I am removing everything expect 2 nice rhododendron bushes and.... a Sakura tree.  Lots of moss in the area.  Away from prying neighbors and passerbys, easy to keep an eye on from my bedroom.  Convenient access to a hose.

Planning on 8 weeks of Agar work at least, 3 or 4 weeks to spawn to bulk, hope to have it in the ground by the beginning of April.  Just need to find a bunch of woodchips for cheap/free, which should be easy around here.

If I have extra agar leftover - maybe mix up some liquid culture to take with me while walking the dog.  I see a lot of random woodchip piles.


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    #27617208 - 01/13/22 10:24 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

:congrats:


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Boom-Town]
    #27621222 - 01/16/22 02:31 PM (2 years, 11 days ago)

Asante, did you water your patch when you started it (if you remember, of course)?

I water my freshly set up patches. I checked them recently - some died, some seem to be doing alright. Totally confused now.


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    #27696371 - 03/15/22 01:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I generally soak-submerge the chips in a trash can (of course with a fresh bag in!) then add them to the substrate. When established it also worked to just add the chips and two big watering cans of water. In the end, tossing on the dry chips during rainy days gave an even bigger yield.


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OK, I'm doing it!  Spores ordered.  I was lightly tripping this weekend while doing some yardwork outside and found the perfect spot:






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    #27697093 - 03/15/22 11:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Shroomintune said:
OK, I'm doing it!  Spores ordered.  I was lightly tripping this weekend while doing some yardwork outside and found the perfect spot:





Progress report! :tardpig:




  • Put spores to agar on 1/22
  • Grew out to T2 on agar and transferred to grain on 3/7
  • Have 12 oat jars and 6 WBS jars now 10% colonized, will shake at 33%
  • Will be using an existing slightly raised bed (12") around a tree, about 7 ft in diameter, but rebuilding the retaining wall around it first.  Just bought 20 of the wrong size concrete landscaping blocks that I need to return.
  • Have 10 gallons of nice clean woodchips that are intended for meat smoking, and 10 gallons of compressed sawdust pellets, that I will pasteurize and spawn to bulk indoors. (1:5 grain to wood bulk ratio)
  • Fixed my woodchipper with a cheap Russian carburetor.  Now runs great but keeps trying to invade my peaceful Honda generator.
  • I cut down a vine maple tree (Acer circinatum) from an overgrown area of the property.  Turned it into about 100 gallons of woodchips, just right for 1:5 indoor bulk spawn to outdoor.  Currently drying out on a tarp so they don't get moldy, will ferment for 2 weeks before making the bed.  Good idea soaking inside a trash bag!
















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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Shroomintune] * 2
    #27697105 - 03/15/22 11:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

BTW, I am also going to do an experiment to see how SIMPLE a patch can be made, for wild/guerrilla grows.  In an existing mulch bed, I'm going to make five 5-gallon piles of random, uncured chipped up yard brush. No excavating anything, no pasteurizing or fermenting, just plopped into a trench in an existing wood chip mulch bed.  Then, I will inoculate them directly, in order of decreasing complexity and decreasing likelihood of success, with:

  • A 1 quart jar of colonized WBS mixed into chips.
  • 500 mL of liquid culture mixed into chips.
  • A whole bunch of grown out agar plates, blended with unsterile water, mixed into chips.
  • My last surviving germination plate, buried under chips.
  • Direct innoculaton with a 9 mL spore syringe to dirty wood chips. (Not expecting anything)


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Shroomintune]
    #27697519 - 03/16/22 10:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Hell yeah! I wonder if Richmond VA would be a good place for wood lovers?

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    #27697963 - 03/16/22 05:22 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Hell yeah! I wonder if Richmond VA would be a good place for wood lovers?

(researching now...)




Probably too warm for Cyans, but its in the natural range for Ovoids, and probably others.  https://www.shroomery.org/12508/Psilocybe-ovoideocystidiata 

I've seen some people on the "Official Woodlovers Thread" growing them.


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    #27722577 - 04/05/22 08:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Update: Spawned 12 quarts of oats to 20 gallons worth of chips, colonizing inside now.







Made the low-tech patches I mentioned earlier too.

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    #27722811 - 04/06/22 02:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Update: Spawned 12 quarts of oats to 20 gallons worth of chips, colonizing inside now.







Made the low-tech patches I mentioned earlier too.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27722564#27722564





Thank you for bringing that awesomeness to this thread! You WILL succeed and harvest will be bountiful!|

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    #27723699 - 04/06/22 07:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Thank you for bringing that awesomeness to this thread! You WILL succeed and harvest will be bountiful!|

Think of establishing some guerilla patches out in nature to safeguard your access to the genetics and help the wild spread!




Hehe, see my two recent posts on the Woodlover thread, "Low Tech Woodlovers 4 different ways" and "Mycological Hand Grenades"

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    #27939613 - 09/07/22 10:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Update: Spawned 12 quarts of oats to 20 gallons worth of chips, colonizing inside now.







Made the low-tech patches I mentioned earlier too.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27722564#27722564





i know this is fairly old and i hope i'm not violating anything by bumping...but i'm curious where the progress is on this grow specifically!

ive been asking around and was sent a link to this thread and i'm really hoping my own efforts for an outdoor patch can make it in time for this year.

i have 2qt and a 3lb bag that are mostly colonized. i shook them a few days ago and waiting for them to recover.

i'm hoping that i can spawn to a small bed of month old oak chips, but also seeking advice...
  • is it too late to colonize woodchips indoors to hopefully fruit them in late october/november?
  • if i colonize woodchips indoors via bags should i sterilize them first? or should i just hydrate put them in a shoebox tub with a lid on? (i'm pretty anxious about mold if i do it this way...)
  • i have a 3lb bag and 2qt jars (so about 5 qts??) of spawn, about what ratio of spawn to woodchips should i use??
  • what is this fermenting process for woodlovers? i've never heard of it...


here is a photo of my spawn. there is another jar behind the one in the front.



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    #27947370 - 09/12/22 07:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Fantastic progress, great contribution!

this thread and other incarnations of it have spawned many woodlover patches all over the world :smile:


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    #27955987 - 09/18/22 12:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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i know this is fairly old and i hope i'm not violating anything by bumping...but i'm curious where the progress is on this grow specifically!

ive been asking around and was sent a link to this thread and i'm really hoping my own efforts for an outdoor patch can make it in time for this year.





Hey, sorry, I drafted a reply earlier but it disappeared without posting?

Anyway... I spawned to an outside semi-raised bed back in mid May.  About 12" deep, 7-8' in diameter.  I put in some hostas and ferns to fill in the bed a bit, and added some strawberry plants later.  My bed is a bit exposed to afternoon sun so I wanted some extra shade for good surface conditions.    I added an automatic watering system that puts out 2 hours of light mist every other day. Here's what it looked like at the end of June, 1.5 months after going in.



By early August it filled out to this, If you turned over the patch a bit you'd find some good areas of myc but not right at the surface.





By now, the strawberry is totally nuts and pretty much any woodchip on the surface has a solid growth of myc right underneath.  No pins yet, but we haven't had a really cold night yet, and our fall rains haven't started. 







I'm expecting pins soon though, some really crazy wild mushrooms have been popping off in my yard.












Now your questions...

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i have 2qt and a 3lb bag that are mostly colonized. i shook them a few days ago and waiting for them to recover.

i'm hoping that i can spawn to a small bed of month old oak chips, but also seeking advice...
  • is it too late to colonize woodchips indoors to hopefully fruit them in late october/november?
  • if i colonize woodchips indoors via bags should i sterilize them first? or should i just hydrate put them in a shoebox tub with a lid on? (i'm pretty anxious about mold if i do it this way...)
  • i have a 3lb bag and 2qt jars (so about 5 qts??) of spawn, about what ratio of spawn to woodchips should i use??
  • what is this fermenting process for woodlovers? i've never heard of it...







Yeah, I think it's too late to be colonizing inside now, to make an outdoor bed now and get fruits this year.  They grow a lot slower than cubes, it really takes a growing season for the bed to fill out, and the fruiting is triggered by seasonal weather changes. I'd go ahead and start spawning inside now, you should be able to get several batches run and have a really good amount of spawn to plant in the ground by early spring.

For my indoor woodchip colonization, I used mostly woodchips that were meant for smoking meats, so they were clean and dry with no mold, and I did nothing to sanitize them other than to soak in near boiling water to re-hydrate. 

For my outdoor spawn-to-bulk woodchips, I used nasty wild tree branches and trimmings that I chipped myself, chock full of wild mold and bugs and stuff.  To prepare them, I fermented by soaking in a trash can full of hose water for 3 weeks, the just dumping the whole thing into my raised bed.  It will stink something AWFUL, so you would not want to do this for indoor colonization.

Ratios, every time I expand it's 5:1.  So 5 parts woodchips to 1 part colonized grain, then 5 parts fresh woodchips to 1 part colonized woodchips, and so on.  Stretch it much more than this and it colonizes too slowly.


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    #27966355 - 09/24/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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i know this is fairly old and i hope i'm not violating anything by bumping...but i'm curious where the progress is on this grow specifically!

ive been asking around and was sent a link to this thread and i'm really hoping my own efforts for an outdoor patch can make it in time for this year.





Hey, sorry, I drafted a reply earlier but it disappeared without posting?

Anyway... I spawned to an outside semi-raised bed back in mid May.  About 12" deep, 7-8' in diameter.  I put in some hostas and ferns to fill in the bed a bit, and added some strawberry plants later.  My bed is a bit exposed to afternoon sun so I wanted some extra shade for good surface conditions.    I added an automatic watering system that puts out 2 hours of light mist every other day. Here's what it looked like at the end of June, 1.5 months after going in.


*pics excluded for consolidation*


Now your questions...

Quote:


i have 2qt and a 3lb bag that are mostly colonized. i shook them a few days ago and waiting for them to recover.

i'm hoping that i can spawn to a small bed of month old oak chips, but also seeking advice...
  • is it too late to colonize woodchips indoors to hopefully fruit them in late october/november?
  • if i colonize woodchips indoors via bags should i sterilize them first? or should i just hydrate put them in a shoebox tub with a lid on? (i'm pretty anxious about mold if i do it this way...)
  • i have a 3lb bag and 2qt jars (so about 5 qts??) of spawn, about what ratio of spawn to woodchips should i use??
  • what is this fermenting process for woodlovers? i've never heard of it...







Yeah, I think it's too late to be colonizing inside now, to make an outdoor bed now and get fruits this year.  They grow a lot slower than cubes, it really takes a growing season for the bed to fill out, and the fruiting is triggered by seasonal weather changes. I'd go ahead and start spawning inside now, you should be able to get several batches run and have a really good amount of spawn to plant in the ground by early spring.

For my indoor woodchip colonization, I used mostly woodchips that were meant for smoking meats, so they were clean and dry with no mold, and I did nothing to sanitize them other than to soak in near boiling water to re-hydrate. 

For my outdoor spawn-to-bulk woodchips, I used nasty wild tree branches and trimmings that I chipped myself, chock full of wild mold and bugs and stuff.  To prepare them, I fermented by soaking in a trash can full of hose water for 3 weeks, the just dumping the whole thing into my raised bed.  It will stink something AWFUL, so you would not want to do this for indoor colonization.

Ratios, every time I expand it's 5:1.  So 5 parts woodchips to 1 part colonized grain, then 5 parts fresh woodchips to 1 part colonized woodchips, and so on.  Stretch it much more than this and it colonizes too slowly.




Ahh, yeah okay. i DID try and spawn to my oak chips. i let them soak for a day and then dry for a day. spawned all my grain to my chips and tried to incubate indoors. tons of wild mold spores - i got a little trich (i guess) and got pretty bummed but figured that was going to happen if i didn't pasteurize or sterilize the chips... anyway, took it outside for fresh air and the green mold didn't seem to hold on very tightly.. but then i noticed the spindly mold with dark spore balls at the end (can't think of the name of it)... got even more sad as that was going really strong...

so... i said fuck it and dumped it on my sideyard and watered it and put a little lean-to to keep the sun off it.. the other day i PC some bulk HWFP for my gourmet grow and didn't put enough water in the PC and one of the bags had a small hole melted into it... so instead of inoculating it i just tossed it on top of my oak chips... we'll see what happens but i assume at BEST the mold will subside someday and the mycelium will revive in the spring and i'll have a tiny little patch..

yes... i'm pretty bummed about it.. i've found them in the wild a couple times and i'm always thrilled when i do, but now i want my own patch. crap.


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    #28528847 - 11/04/23 10:13 AM (2 months, 22 days ago)

Bumping this thread to share the beginning of my own journey with psilocybe cyanescens.
Props to everyone who has contributed to the various woodlovers threads, so fascinating to see what everyone gets up to, love it!
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Obligatory "mods please move if there's a more appropriate subforum."

So, October 17th I'm clearing the straw and chopping the vines to mulch while harvesting the last of my pumpkins. I see a few pins on the pollinator side of the patch, didn't look like Ghost or Nats really and that's all I've dumped out there sub-wise since February.
Cool, I picked a lot of the small pins thinking it was cubes, chopped them up and buried them throughout the patch...:eek:
:shrug: (I REALLY wish I'd let them mature in hindight.)



By the 26th, it was increasingly clear these were no cubes.

I had an inkling so started to feverishly rule out lookalikes based on as many macroscopic identifiers I could. If my inkling was right I was both EXTREMELY hyped and confused as to where these came from.
Never had any Cyan genetics, the closest I've even BEEN to one IRL is walking past woodchip beds w/ my GF whispering:
"Cyaaaannneeeeessscceeeeennnsssss." when out for a walk, every year:lol:

By the time 28th rolled round, things were getting pretty clear.
:aliceshocker:





October 29th, dios mio....
:diademuertos:





Halloween Eve:








:awecid:
The start of something beautiful.
THANKS NATURE, YOU'RE THE BEST!
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:loveheart:
(I know I picked them pretty small etc, other than continuing to mulch and adding new chips, I plan on leaving the bed well alone to do its thing through Autumn and Winter now I've spread some intitial myc to cardboard/pots.)
Cheers for reading I hope you all had a great Halloween!



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    #28529373 - 11/04/23 05:47 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

What a wonderful enrichment to this cyans thread!  temperature is dropping here and its raining lots, fingers crossed.

Yours are extremely similar to mine, not all cyans look the same.

Now you're an unexpected cyans grower.

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    #28530892 - 11/05/23 04:51 PM (2 months, 21 days ago)

Well, I supposed I should followup on my long post from last year.  I first ordered my Cyan spores 1 year and 9 months ago, and since then it's been a beautiful disaster.  I was hoping for a harvest last year, and did get some pinning and a few fruits on the periphery of the bed, but barely enough for a trip, then we had an early snow and they aborted, so I figured the bed just needed a full year to finish colonizing.






Coming up to this fall, the bed was totally colonized with myc below the surface, so I had high hopes.  Then the disaster, pins started coming up, and they were ALL inky caps.  Wild spores, probably from my woodchipper wood, totally took over the bed, as far as the eye could see.  No cyan fruits at all.





I was so bummed, after all that work. Out walking our dog, I'd keep an eye out for every mulch pile but never found anything active.  Then a few weeks ago, while out weeding the garden, in an area where we'd had a contractor bring in some mulch-heavy topsoil then covered with wood mulch from Lowes, I found a whole patch of wavys growing.  Searching around the other areas we'd mulched, I found 2 more areas where they are growing wild, tons more pinning. This was in a area probably 200 feet away from the bed I made, and on the other side other side of a house, so I don't think they migrated.  I also did not get them in areas where I only used the Lowes mulch but no topsoil, so I think they came in with the landscaper's load.











I took some on a small test flight 2 weeks ago to confirm activity, and activity was confirmed. :mushroom2: Took a large dose last night and WOW what a beautiful gift from nature.  Extraordinarily visual, colorful, intricate geometry, which I was very thankful for as my trips are often not very visual.  Incredible connection to music and rhythm.  My psytrance playlist included something old and something new, Paul Oakenfold's "Tranceport" from 1998 then King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard's "The Silver Cord" from last week (below).  The overlapping polyrhythms in both of them put me into overdrive.

I've been harvesting about 4g dried every other day for the past few weeks, 2 big mason jars full so far.  Have been transplanting stem butts all over the yard like a busy beaver. We'll see what happens next year.







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    #28531046 - 11/05/23 06:51 PM (2 months, 21 days ago)

You too got magical cyans :awemazing:

They say "acid finds you" and many find that doubtful, but here 2 cases of surprise cyans!

Transplant those stem butts, make it happen :awecid:

I hope i'll have a bit of a harvest this year.

Those caramel caps look so yummy when wet!



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    #28531473 - 11/06/23 08:47 AM (2 months, 20 days ago)

Herald of the holidays, inbetween halloween and christmas Psiloybe cyanescens pokes up, now for the 15th year in a row in my perennial wavy caps patch.

First one of the flush!!



I harvested it!
A 2.3gr fresh cyan is about 3mg tryptamines, 4 microdoses, 2 mood enhancers or to me, 1 trip. (i'm 4x as sensitive as most)



When I cut the shroom, it was a cluster of three so the other two now get a growth spurt. Taking a pic of that: baby shrooms all around!



I'm happy the Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could keeps on going towards its second decade!




2.3gr!




this one is more useful. As you see, there are lamellae that start at the cap and never make it to the stem. Thatys one characteristic. A hollow stem is another.

one every 2-3 years you add woodchips to the patch, to give it time to colonize and mature. The patch will sink cionsiderably in height and you fill this hollow up with chips


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #28533229 - 11/07/23 05:19 PM (2 months, 19 days ago)

very cool ..lots good info about outdoor beds ,
, I'm in zone 5 temperate  .. climate harsh , swings from very hot  to very cold here.so maybe just barley / might be ok for ovoids .. huuuummm..


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    #28534586 - 11/08/23 05:47 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

great read
so exciting
like the discovery of animal husbandry and melting of ore to make cast metal objects.

what a trip!


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    #28539782 - 11/12/23 07:18 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

The gift that keeps on giving:




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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #28548774 - 11/19/23 06:37 AM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

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Wait till you feel them :dontspillme:



You weren't kidding, around a week ago I tested 2.5g powdered in cold water and... WOOOOOOAH!
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Intense, they have lots of character and I absolutely loved it.
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    #28549003 - 11/19/23 10:13 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Lithop said:
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Asante said:
Wait till you feel them :dontspillme:



You weren't kidding, around a week ago I tested 2.5g powdered in cold water and... WOOOOOOAH!
:shitsintense:
Intense, they have lots of character and I absolutely loved it.
:bow2:





yeah they are the best, aren't they? I'm glad it was so good for you! i'm totally in love with cyans



The rain had a little more to say:






22 grams fresh!






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    #28549011 - 11/19/23 10:18 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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They break me, they are so generous and gracious! They ask so little of us and give themselves so abundantly.


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    #28557343 - 11/26/23 02:49 PM (2 months, 16 hours ago)

Smallest harvest ever, but it's enough.





I got a 5kg bag of woodchips ready to dig up and revive the starved patch.

These few shrooms represent more $ than the 5kg of beech chips that for sure will yield a big harvest next year.


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Re: The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could -- 13 years after update! [Re: Asante]
    #28559592 - 11/28/23 03:14 PM (1 month, 29 days ago)

Acid found me pretty good, so I have to thank the universe for that one... but the mushrooms haven't quite found me.


@Shroomintune

I also tried to setup a wavy cap patch to total failure.  I got a few tiny pins the first year round, then nothing.  The second year round colonization everywhere, but it was invaded spores.  It's literally the most perfect wood mulch environment with dirt and moss below and ivy growing around for a micro climate to keep it moist.  I transplanted a ton of already colonized chips... but no dice.

I'll check it at Xmas time because I'll be back at that house, maybe this will be the year they show themselves to me.  I've found them in the wild, but hoping they are ready for me. 

That's so incredible that you just happened to have them delivered to your house, they definitely wanted to find you.


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