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In America they offer SEVERAL grand per testicle if you are willing to donate. Anything in this country costs easily too much medically though so I'd blow through it so fast on my mandatory government test replacement that it wouldn't be worth it
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gopher
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bendychicken said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2840927/
However, there is a concern over chronic use of finasteride and development of prostate cancer. Through its effect on hormonal (estrogens vs. androgens) balance and immune surveillance of tumor cells, finasteride increases the risk of prostate cancer. In many studies it has been shown that the prostatic hyperplasia and cancer develop frequently in the hormonal milieu of estrogen excess over androgens. This hormonal imbalance is normally seen in aging males. Finasteride increases the circulating levels of testosterone which is peripherally aromatized to estrogens. Thus the use of finasteride in older males further shifts the hormonal balance towards estrogen excess. The expression of aromatase is also up-regulated in prostatic hyperplasia and cancer."
I take finasteride since like september 2019
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Re: Hormones [Re: gopher]
#26844801 - 07/25/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I kinda wish I was in Holland then because I am just recently getting back into "enhanced" weightlifting and ordering SARMs is so much more trouble than it used to be. I can find some good sources but all the good ones have bank merchants that are in Africa so idk, kinda weary about that I guess. And I don't want to take steroids again, expensive and worrying about shutdown isnt worth it to me anymore.
I was just seeing if anyone has mentioned anything about them here because I just decided to just take the risk and ordered some RAD 140 and Ostarine. Didn't expect to really see anything about SARMs here.
But to the point, yes I think people should be able to treat themselves with hormones. But it would be much smarter to have a doctor monitor it since it's not as simple as just "take estrogen, turn into woman" there's so many side effects that come with unsupervised high dosing or prolonged use of hormones.
Side story, I knew this really attractive girl some years back that was into weightlifting, but she wasn't bulky, just had that nice built physique for a woman but it ended up not being enough for her so she got into steroids, the heavy ones too not just basic testosterone, and she got to the point where you could see her clit sort of popping through her underwear if it was tight enough. It was so awkward because we had a thing going on but after I saw her again over a year later I just had to run from that
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bendychicken
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Re: Hormones [Re: gopher]
#27023883 - 11/05/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get your blood hormone levels checked. I couldn't take it. Crashed my DHT levels and destroyed my sex drive. Also made my skin dry and gave me sensitive nipples(raised estrogen levels). Not worth it. Luckily everything leveled out after quitting and taking some HCG to "reset" my hormones. Something like 2-5% of people get permanant endocrine system damage from finasteride. Do an internet search on "post finasteride syndrome"
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gopher said:
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bendychicken said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2840927/
However, there is a concern over chronic use of finasteride and development of prostate cancer. Through its effect on hormonal (estrogens vs. androgens) balance and immune surveillance of tumor cells, finasteride increases the risk of prostate cancer. In many studies it has been shown that the prostatic hyperplasia and cancer develop frequently in the hormonal milieu of estrogen excess over androgens. This hormonal imbalance is normally seen in aging males. Finasteride increases the circulating levels of testosterone which is peripherally aromatized to estrogens. Thus the use of finasteride in older males further shifts the hormonal balance towards estrogen excess. The expression of aromatase is also up-regulated in prostatic hyperplasia and cancer."
I take finasteride since like september 2019
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Asante
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In South East Asia its part of the work ethic: use Yaba (meth pills) or steroids if you have a physical profession so you can give it 120%.
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Re: Hormones [Re: Asante]
#27024502 - 11/06/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Be careful taking estrogen with your medical conditions... increases stroke risk
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gopher
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bendychicken said: Get your blood hormone levels checked. I couldn't take it. Crashed my DHT levels and destroyed my sex drive. Also made my skin dry and gave me sensitive nipples(raised estrogen levels). Not worth it. Luckily everything leveled out after quitting and taking some HCG to "reset" my hormones. Something like 2-5% of people get permanant endocrine system damage from finasteride. Do an internet search on "post finasteride syndrome"
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gopher said:
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bendychicken said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2840927/
However, there is a concern over chronic use of finasteride and development of prostate cancer. Through its effect on hormonal (estrogens vs. androgens) balance and immune surveillance of tumor cells, finasteride increases the risk of prostate cancer. In many studies it has been shown that the prostatic hyperplasia and cancer develop frequently in the hormonal milieu of estrogen excess over androgens. This hormonal imbalance is normally seen in aging males. Finasteride increases the circulating levels of testosterone which is peripherally aromatized to estrogens. Thus the use of finasteride in older males further shifts the hormonal balance towards estrogen excess. The expression of aromatase is also up-regulated in prostatic hyperplasia and cancer."
I take finasteride since like september 2019
im trying to crash my DHT levels, they only side effect I get is retrograde ejaculation, and it goes away if I forget to take the fin one day
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Asante
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morrowasted said: Be careful taking estrogen with your medical conditions... increases stroke risk
You misread, estrogen is what my fat cells make of testosterone due to their inherent aromatase production.
I avoid using androgens as much as possible but using estrogen would not be beneficial
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Asante
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Re: Hormones [Re: gopher]
#27024542 - 11/06/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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gopher said:
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bendychicken said: Get your blood hormone levels checked. I couldn't take it. Crashed my DHT levels and destroyed my sex drive. Also made my skin dry and gave me sensitive nipples(raised estrogen levels). Not worth it. Luckily everything leveled out after quitting and taking some HCG to "reset" my hormones. Something like 2-5% of people get permanant endocrine system damage from finasteride. Do an internet search on "post finasteride syndrome"
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gopher said:
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bendychicken said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2840927/
However, there is a concern over chronic use of finasteride and development of prostate cancer. Through its effect on hormonal (estrogens vs. androgens) balance and immune surveillance of tumor cells, finasteride increases the risk of prostate cancer. In many studies it has been shown that the prostatic hyperplasia and cancer develop frequently in the hormonal milieu of estrogen excess over androgens. This hormonal imbalance is normally seen in aging males. Finasteride increases the circulating levels of testosterone which is peripherally aromatized to estrogens. Thus the use of finasteride in older males further shifts the hormonal balance towards estrogen excess. The expression of aromatase is also up-regulated in prostatic hyperplasia and cancer."
I take finasteride since like september 2019
im trying to crash my DHT levels, they only side effect I get is retrograde ejaculation, and it goes away if I forget to take the fin one day
May I ask why you use finasteride and want to crash your DHT?
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gopher
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Re: Hormones [Re: Asante]
#27024549 - 11/06/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I take it for hair loss, some rare people get regrowth, but its just held my hair stable, technically it only slows loss, before I started taking it there was a crazy amount of hair on the floor of the shower after I took one, now theres none, if you get a hair transplant the doctors make you sign a form promising you will take finasteride, other wise youll just be back as the hairs still fall out behind the transplanted hairs, the dermatologist wanted me to commit to taking rogain too, but Im afraid to because its a life long commitment to using it twice a day
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Asante
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Re: Hormones [Re: gopher]
#27024557 - 11/06/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you realize that dihydrotestosterone is like 10x as strong an androgen as testosterone, so that defacto you sort of castrated yourself?
Lack of androgens in males leads to weight gain, water retention, loss of muscle and bone mass, weakening of tissue regeneration and a slip n slide into the pigsty of beta cuckery? 
Seriously, having lower androgens makes you less secure and decisive as a male and less ablebodied.
When a doctor put my old father on spironolactone I asked the doctor politely to consider switching him to epleneron, a new drug with the sam, a tad stronger, indicated action, but without the testosterone blocking effects.
MtF transgenders use spironolactone, thats no drug to give to an obese 75yo whos trying to live an active lifestyle. He looked into it and with my fathers consent switched the meds, my dad was super proud of his son to have outdone a specialist on the fly, and, getting him a med that he feels much better on.
You do diets - this is incompatible with blocking your androgens. It will make you estrogen dominant and that means holding water and packing on pounds.
Maybe your unusual and irregular nutrition patterns have more to do with your hairloss, I could be wrong of course.
Eminence and I readily disagree but we know he konws his shit on hormones, lets see how he feels about you in your situation using a DHT blocker.
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