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Benzo Addiction Support Thread
    #27024440 - 11/06/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

12 Step Approach Encouraged

Everyone Welcome!

We can beat these little fuckers people!


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27029913 - 11/09/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trying my best. It’s hard. Got a psychiatrist.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27050152 - 11/21/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was addicted to Klonopin for years. It was kind of a nightmare;they caused so many more problems than they helped.

Anyway, I finally got off them by dropping my dosage incredibly slowly, especially at the end. It took me at least six months, maybe a year, but all of my shorter attempts invariably failed. I actually found it pretty easy to cut my dose down by 75%, and even down to a bit further (over a couple months) wasn't terrible. After that, however, I literally felt like I was dying whenever I stopped or reduced further. I stabilized at 1/4 of a pill for a couple months, down from 2 per day, until I didn't feel totally awful.  From there, I went down to an eighth of a pill, and from there down to basically a crumb. Even from that tiny bit, stopping brought that horrible feeling back, which just frustrated the fuck out of me. so I continued slowly dropping down to a tiny crumb every day, then every other day. Eventually, I started forgetting to take it and didn't notice a big difference in the way I felt. From that point I stopped.

After I had stopped, I still sometimes felt I needed something and ended up drinking far to much. I bought some phenibut and used that instead of drinking.

So, what worked for me was to slowly and consistently reduce my dose, much more gradually than any doctor or medical recommendation I had seen. It was only when I made sudden drops that I felt awful, otherwise I didn't feel too bad.

Yes, 6 to 12 months is a long-ass time, but I had been unsuccessfully trying to quit for longer than that.

A word of caution regarding phenibut. It can be addictive in it's own right, so be careful not to simply trade one addiction for another. I have read of quite a few people developing phenibut problems. It doesn't feel as good as benzos, so it was a lot easier for me to manage. I have continued to take phenibut very sporadically, maybe once or twice a month, since I got off the benzos 15 years ago and haven't had a problem. YMMV.

Good luck. If I can do it, you can do it!


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: Drooler]
    #27050567 - 11/21/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I could probably kick my klonopin if I had psychs. It's like, at least three months before I could get them, due to...technical difficulties and not having the right equipment to access them

I have lowered my dose from 4mg to 3.5mg. For a while I was down to 2.0mg, which felt refreshing, but I kept getting so freaking pissed off and also i got tired very easily. Almost did 200 days at 2mg.

I once got down to 0.33mg from 4.0mg super quickly thanks to LSD microdosing. I couldn't handle the GI upset.

I think if I quit them I will need to microdose for a bit and also have time off work.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: skOsH]
    #27076502 - 12/07/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I have lowered my dose from 4mg to 3.5mg. For a while I was down to 2.0mg, which felt refreshing, but I kept getting so freaking pissed off and also i got tired very easily. Almost did 200 days at 2mg.




Wow - you chose to reduce your intake by half for 200 days. Doesn't that help you feel in control? That's great. The hardest part is realizing we are in control of our actions.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27079755 - 12/09/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What if you had a benzo addiction, but it didn't result in any negative outcomes, and actually makes me more productive at work.

That's the situation I'm in, and my addiction isn't minor, I have a huge tolerance.  What does one do in that situation?


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #27081295 - 12/09/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I took my 4mg of klonopin every day for a few years and had pretty much the same opinion of it that you do. I was more calm and productive at work, nicer to my wife, more patient with the kids.

Things started to unravel if I had any kind of delay getting my refill. That 4mg per day was my baseline, just part of how I felt normal everyday. It seemed like it didn't do much anymore; I didn't much notice anything from it unless I ran short for some reason, which just led me to feel like shit.

It's like my relationship with coffee: when was in college, I used to drink it sometimes and it gave me a good lift. Now, coffee doesn't do anything unless I don't have any, in which case I'm a big asshole and I have a headache.

It's just better, IMO, to be able to use something and really feel it when I take it. And to not have my world fall apart of I don't.

So my advice would be to slowly taper to reduce your tolerance. Then you can take a bigger dose when the need arises and float off on a happy benzo cloud from time to time. From my experience, being a functional addict can't work forever. Eventually it's gonna catch up an bite you in the ass.

If you need something to bridge the gap, check out phenibut, that really helped me transition off Klonopin.

By the way, coffee was just an example. I am never never ever going to give up coffee.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: skOsH]
    #27103016 - 12/22/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It's like, at least three months before I could get them...





Any practice or method you've heard of that you might want to try in those three months?

My story was like yours in that a super-slow taper was part of what worked, I titrated in milk.

When I was going through it, the consensus medical opinion was "Bz withdrawal takes two weeks" while at the same time warning "Tapering too quickly can actually kill you!" Is there a better method to set someone prone to panic attacks up for failure?


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27174392 - 01/28/21 11:02 AM (3 years, 2 hours ago)

Lol.  Is so hard.  Thought this was a heroin fent thread.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27227691 - 02/26/21 02:11 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Gotta a new shrink on the case

These little bastards are bitches


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27261217 - 03/20/21 12:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Just thought I would update, when I first posted in this thread I was taking anywhere from 10mg to 40mg clonazolam and 10mg to 20mg etiz and 20mg flubromazepam daily.  I used the extremely long half-life of the f-pam (@ 120 hours) and the fact I had 10 grams of it to taper down.  Today was my last dose, haven't jad c-lam or etiz in over 2 months.  I have had 0 WD symptoms (my last does was 6mg f-pam).  I have brutal, awful cravings, but I'm going to try the sober(from benzos and other gabaergics) life. No alcohol either.  I have quit and been benzo clean several times from very heavy addictions, I want this one to last so I started lifting weights, eating a healthier diet and in general being more mindful about my life.  I hope the sober lifestyle sticks this time... lost out on an awesome relationship because of my use, that really pushed me to clean up my act.

Good luck to all the other out their fighting this particular demon.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #27261414 - 03/20/21 06:02 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck.

One day at a time.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27261903 - 03/20/21 12:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I'm trying that as well. Going for a long taper, of a year, because I have been on max dose klonopin for almost a decade now. I get annoying benzo belly.

I'm going to do d8 and cbd, for a year whilst tapering for a year and see where that gets me. I have been sober from alcohol for like 3 years almost...I mixed tons of alcohol with tons of benzos daily for like 4 years. I gotta get done with the benzos. Maybe can kick the Lyrica too but awful pain prevents that. Working out with weights too. I need to drop weight, build muscle and core strength....find a normal way to get stress relief, I guess. Doing planks and  pretending to sit against walls, crunches, push-ups, and general dumbbell stuff.

I am thinking

Cbd+d8 distillate in capsules for dosing up to three times a day
Going from 4mg to 3.5mg, staying on 3.5mg for one month, drop to 3mg, one month at 3mg, etc.

Damn ice you really have no withdrawal symptoms? I envy you....but also I wish you good luck in sobriety. Funny how we kinda started at the same time but I had no idea you were lol

Ahh benzos, they're a cruel mistress

I'm still going to get my scripts filled and stash kpins everywhere because I got a problem. Well, actually, I am sitting on a mountain of gold...maybe. covid turned everyone into a hot mess...I can capitalize. But...I shouldn't. I will keep them as relief pills for insanely stressful situations. Idk. I can't get rid of them...probably because I am not rid of them. I cannot go cold turkey but I would like to. If I didn't have a full time job, I would.

But yeah, having cbd will prevent seizure risk and also pain relief post workout


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: skOsH]
    #27262058 - 03/20/21 02:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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  I mixed tons of alcohol with tons of benzos daily for like 4 years




I mixed tons of alcohol with one or two blue footballs but never more than that. I’d also smoke weed on top of it until I passed out then when I’d wake up with my pants wet and full of shit I’d take a lortab and start drinking repeat cycle. Long since removed the pain pills and booze from the story. I just can’t get the xannies down to zip. The withdrawal is crazy. Ears ringing. Shaking. Can’t think. Feels like I’m having a heart attack. All that and munch just 1 mg and fifteen minutes later it’s like it never happened. Crazy. Right now I’m just holding steady. My psychiatrist says it would probably take in patient care to withdrawal safely. Jesus H Christ.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #27263229 - 03/21/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, benzo withdrawal is the freaking worst. I'm going to try encapsulating cbd with a very tiny amount of delta-8 to ease the withdrawals, but I think I do need to taper for about a year.

I've gotten down to 1mg before, but then ordinarily exciting stuff became so exciting I thought I was going to get heart attacks

I definitely was more creative with less benzos in my system, but my anger is an on/off switch

Also, I get a huge fear of impending doom but as soon as I chew some kpins, I'm breezy


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: skOsH]
    #27265241 - 03/22/21 11:06 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, benzo withdrawal is the freaking worst. I'm going to try encapsulating cbd with a very tiny amount of delta-8 to ease the withdrawals, but I think I do need to taper for about a year.

I've gotten down to 1mg before, but then ordinarily exciting stuff became so exciting I thought I was going to get heart attacks

I definitely was more creative with less benzos in my system, but my anger is an on/off switch

Also, I get a huge fear of impending doom but as soon as I chew some kpins, I'm breezy




A lot of that sounds like you were still having benzo withdrawal symptoms, including rebound anxiety, mood swings just to name a few. Those can last months too if you were unaware.  It is called PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome) and seems to be especially common with benzo withdrawal.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: Ice9]
    #27268883 - 03/25/21 01:14 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

It's a pain in the ass! I would switch to any other benzo with a very long half life and then just, if it was soluble in water, I would titrate it

If I make it through benzo tapering, I am going to write a book...on how difficult it is.

Been consuming 300+mg melatonin a day, along with roughly the same cbd, mixed in with a tiny amount of d9 rso

D8 is sold out everywhere

But yeah my plan, is make tons of cbd pills with just enough room to activate the cbd, cycle with krat and different strains and exercise.

Withdrawing from benzos is so weird. I get more sleepy except for when I want to sleep


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: skOsH]
    #27385614 - 07/13/21 09:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Niffla said:
I used to drink daily. For years. Every single day I'd at least drink a 6 pack. Minimum. A lot of days I'd drink more than that. I went through many years where the days I went completely without a drink, for the entire year, was maybe a total of 2 or 3 weeks. These days occurred when I had absolutely no choice but to stay sober for whatever reason. Other than that, at some point that day I was having a drink.

In the last few years I have cut back dramatically. In 2019 I more or less cut that in half, in 2020 I got it down to drinking around 6 days a month, and now in 2021 I've gotten it down to 3 to 4 drinking days a month. So yeah, I haven't completely gone sober by any means, but it's night & day from what life used to be for me. Instead of daily it's maybe once a week, sometimes just once every couple of weeks. 

But man, still, not a day goes by that I don't think about it. Everyday at some point the thought enters my head: "man it would be nice to go have some drinks right now". Now that urge is very rarely if ever strong enough for me to actually act on it, but still the thought doesn't ever go away. And like a true addict I am always looking forward to that next drinking session. Even if that session is a half month away.

Can anybody else relate? Doesn't have to be necessarily alcohol.

:hugitout:






Niffla: I offer you a mindhack to get out of this. This actually works.

What you are suffering is that you fail to close an .exe in your wetware that keeps spamming you.

You can fix this easy as 1,2,3.


1) Think HARD and identify as many as possible VERY GOOD REASONS not to drink, then sift through these to find what yunites them, so you can strike more and more off that list as you consolidate them into more powerful reasons.

2) formulate 5 or 10 short slogans that in a positive way affirm these most important reasons. Dont say whats bad if you keep drinking, say what gets better and better if you don't drink. You are not lying to yourself and you know it. Shit improves for years to come as the damage undoes itself.

3) every single time you get even the slightest thought about drinking, state out loud your Top 5 or Top 10 reasons why staying quit gets way better and better.


Thats all, spam yourself like coca cola and mc donalds spam you, by repeating slogans over and over.

But these are HEALING slogans.

Now you give your brain a problem. It gets spammed shut every time it suggests a relapse even in the slightest. You march those slogans that are so meaningful to you in like its blitzkrieg. It systematically strips your brain's suggestion of all weapons and rank.

Your brain is not stupid:  keep this up and keep strengthening your convictions, and your balance will tip and your brain's default will be to rather smash a bottle on the floor than to drink one drop.

See how low the tier, the investment is? Just those three things.

So, form your platoon of the best possible reasons to do whats right and march them in at the slightest queef of an implied relapse. And again. And again.

It will stop.

Thats how your biocomputer works and this is one way to program it.

Get your soldiers in the game!





THOUSANDS OF TIMES IF YOU HAVE TO :warcry:


You won't have to.


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Re: Benzo Addiction Support Thread [Re: Asante]
    #27388709 - 07/15/21 12:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I can't sleep at night without even a 1/4th of klon. It's awful :mad:


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