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OfflineNSaintJ
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Bufo Alvarius
    #27024209 - 11/05/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey y’all!

I have always cared for reptiles and amphibians.
A dear friend of mine has had his 3 Sonoran desert toads for 2 years. He is gifting them to me as he is moving and does not want to put them through the stress of driving across the country.

Has anyone ever owned them before?
I’ve read up as much as I can about the care of them.
I am interested in the secretion, although I am mostly interested in caring for those beings. Seeing that they probably couldn’t be released into the wild at this point, I feel slightly less guilty owning an animal like this. Someone needs to care for them. I’ve always wanted one but could never bring myself to buy one that was probably wild caught as I’ve read breeding in captivity is difficult.

Any advice?
Please forgive me if there are too many threads on this, or if this is in the wrong place. I am new here and it felt weird to post in the “other drugs” forum as I do not view these amazing creatures as drugs, and this inquiry is about much more than a “psychedelic experience”

I’ve read different things in how long one should wait between milking, and how they can become ill if over milked/ not allowed to recover well enough between milking.

Do the tanks get funky pretty quickly? I guess that’s one that can just be figured out over time.

Thinking about breeding crickets to cut down on costs, anyone done this before?

I’m also pretty worried about hurting them. I’ve read that they can bleed if glands a squeezed too hard. Anyone with experiencing milking, what’s the right amount of pressure to apply? Something like popping a pimple? How much secretion can one expect from one toad in captivity vs in the wild?

Mostly, I love amphibians. I love entheogens, I love my friend, and I was asked for a favor/ was given a gift. I want to make sure I hold this beautiful responsibility and opportunity well.

Any tips, tricks, or general convo about living with these teachers deeply appreciated.

Blessings to all


Edited by NSaintJ (11/05/20 11:54 PM)


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OfflineMitchnast
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Re: Bufo Alvarius [Re: NSaintJ]
    #27098665 - 12/20/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Breed dubia roaches if they are legal in your area.  For 3 Incilius alvarius,  you'll need ready insect protein and lots of it.  Worms are risky because parasites and pathogens are hard to avoid.  An animal fed on a lot of garden, or bait shop worms will start popping with cysts.  And too many will be detrimental to thriving.

Crickets will be a big, space taking, stinky, noisy hassle if you produce enough to keep 3 large toads nourished.

I don't know that milking is traumatizing to the animal,  But i do very DEFNAEATELY know it isn't beneficial.  I think it is best avoided.


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OfflineTyperwritermonky
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Re: Bufo Alvarius [Re: Mitchnast]
    #27100117 - 12/20/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely can be avoided, but can be done properly without damaging the glands.  It's like popping a pimple; when done properly and sanitary, it leaves no mark and actually helps the skin stay healthy.  Pop a pimple the wrong way, and you cause bleeding, glandular damage, skin damage, and the area will crust and scar over which means it has to heal properly and become slightly infected.

When done properly, it's no different then clipping your puppy or kitty's claws.  It doesn't hurt them.. but it feels slightly strange, like clipping your nails, and they aren't sure why it's happening.  Either way, a few minutes later and a treat or two the animal completely forgets and moves forward.


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OfflineNSaintJ
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Re: Bufo Alvarius [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27100192 - 12/21/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys thanks so much for the replies. I will definitely look into those roaches. I've been ordering meal worms from an online exotic pet supply shop and apparently they've been they’ve been eating worms from this vendor for 5 years with no issues. I would like to add some variety though. I’ve been adding calcium and other supplements once per week. They are getting all settled into their home and seem much more acclimated now. I’ve totally decked out their tank with lots of hiding and burrowing spots and they seem to love it.. considering milking very soon as it has been 4 months since their previous owner harvested any secretion..

Thanks again for the info!


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