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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineLion
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Tell me about the comforting beliefs...
    #27023805 - 11/05/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

...that you either want to be true, or want to feel deeply are true, so that you can live your life as if they were true (which might liberate you from current patterns or negative mental obscurations holding you back).

I'll start.

"Suffering is illusory and if it's bad, its badness is infinitely inverse of the goodness that will be experienced later on."

"The harms you've inflicted on others in the past were the result of the stage of your development of consciousness, not the result of you being a fundamentally bad, weak, and/or irredeemable person."

"As you get older, you'll get healthier, wiser, the edges of your life and mind will be smoothed, all the good will get better, and it'll keep getting better and better forever."

"You will know deep love, comfort and peace."

"You deserve the respect, admiration and love of others."

"When you die you get to experience what it's like to be anyone or anything - your former lover, your childhood self, a cicada, a whale, a deep sea volcano, an ecosystem, a galaxy, anything."

"If you go in the direction of your passion and visions, the universe or the guiding force behind life will help you."

"All is goodness, all is light, all is truth, all is peace, all is infinite love."


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion]
    #27023809 - 11/05/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Another one:

"The planet can heal itself without wiping out human life."


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion] * 1
    #27023965 - 11/05/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I want reincarnation to be true, but it's cool if it's not true.
I want to fly but I'm too weak and heavy, I'll watch birds and delight when a butterfly lands on my hand.
I want to be awakened more than not so, and I work towards it.
I want to see the spirit in you, and that is awakening too.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27024145 - 11/05/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Meta exchange for people.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27024259 - 11/06/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I want reincarnation to be true, but it's cool if it's not true.
I want to fly but I'm too weak and heavy, I'll watch birds and delight when a butterfly lands on my hand.
I want to be awakened more than not so, and I work towards it.
I want to see the spirit in you, and that is awakening too.



Do you want me to be Messiah and liberate your from the dark side of the human ego? :wink:

I certainly do. :heart:


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27024323 - 11/06/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

All knowledge of all things is a finger exchange of atoms.. the difference of sub atomic particles.. that rule and govern the atom.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27024342 - 11/06/20 03:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that it gets greater

you can practice almost anything mentally

you can practice being there more and being more awakened

not having loss as much

it's up to you


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion]
    #27024393 - 11/06/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I want mind to matter.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27024434 - 11/06/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Pinkerton said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I want reincarnation to be true, but it's cool if it's not true.
I want to fly but I'm too weak and heavy, I'll watch birds and delight when a butterfly lands on my hand.
I want to be awakened more than not so, and I work towards it.
I want to see the spirit in you, and that is awakening too.



Do you want me to be Messiah and liberate your from the dark side of the human ego? :wink:

I certainly do. :heart:



no, yeuchh.

messianic identities are too much labor and entanglements.
I dreamed I was skating without any wheels (just slippery shoes) down a smooth spiraling rock surface into a huge but slightly crowded subterranean public transportation hub. I woke before colliding with a wall or baby carriage


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27024640 - 11/06/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

my mom sais thank you for and that she appreciates your help

:heart:


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #27024653 - 11/06/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:
my mom sais thank you for and that she appreciates your help

:heart:



any time, the only effort was the middle way.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27024850 - 11/06/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
Quote:

Pinkerton said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I want reincarnation to be true, but it's cool if it's not true.
I want to fly but I'm too weak and heavy, I'll watch birds and delight when a butterfly lands on my hand.
I want to be awakened more than not so, and I work towards it.
I want to see the spirit in you, and that is awakening too.



Do you want me to be Messiah and liberate your from the dark side of the human ego? :wink:

I certainly do. :heart:



no, yeuchh.

messianic identities are too much labor and entanglements.
I dreamed I was skating without any wheels (just slippery shoes) down a smooth spiraling rock surface into a huge but slightly crowded subterranean public transportation hub. I woke before colliding with a wall or baby carriage



I think you're jestering me now or making an entangled post to confuse me. The good ol' Uncertainty Principle!


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27024881 - 11/06/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

jest foolin' around, ehh?
nope


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27024996 - 11/06/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I noticed the two h's but you're way too deep for me. :sad:

buddy boyo oh boy do I want to get inside your brain
maybe not
maybe

Today when walking in the woods I saw the father (I guess it was) of his son and I think the son had Down's syndrome and after I walked past them I had such an urge to go to the son and tell him something really positive to lift his spirits to the sky. But they didn't look my way so it might have been bad timing. Be brave you told me but I was just a little slow inside my brain to react. I might do it next time if it feels right - which it should. :heart:

Considering what I've done in my life doing such a thing is piece of cakes but I SO SO SO do not want the son to feel like I'm picking him out.

Luv ya,RödaGrönaViners! :heart:


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27027864 - 11/08/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here is mine and RGVs tune:


Cruising around late at night in Toronto on a Yamaha R6, RGVs sitting behind me and I've made World Peace.

Big up for RGVs!


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion]
    #27028223 - 11/08/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not really fond of beliefs, especially if they're overly mystical. I guess the one comforting belief I entertain is that generally, things will turn out better than the negative thought patterns suggest.

I also acknowledge this is not 100% assured for every thing. But having lived a few years it's generally been true that worst case scenarios don't usually happen.

So that's a big component of my positive mindset and I've learned not to let the negative affect me as much on an emotional level. There's a good feeling in my heart that's always there for me these days as long as I don't cover it up with fears and desires.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Rahz]
    #27028493 - 11/08/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That intuition knows what it is doing.  That it isn’t (at least completely) a blind and wild irrational dance that pats itself on the back.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27028821 - 11/08/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No offence to the OP, but I remember a time when this post would have been moved immediately to S and M (rip Diploid).

A comforting belief, from determinism.

"It couldn't have been any other way".

Amor Fati!

Free will makes you think it could have been different had you chosen differently, but in determinism you just do what you were programmed to do.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion]
    #27028927 - 11/08/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I like to believe that common sense is not some useless appendage of a bygone age, but is actually a valid compass. In our postmodern times, and with things like the Copenhagen interpretation in physics, many believe that common sense is just a quaint illusion that is no longer pertinent to addressing reality.

In my opinion, common sense and common decency are two of the very best things. So I believe, despite my acknowledgment of the above, that common sense still holds, and is priceless.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27029198 - 11/08/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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In my opinion, common sense and common decency are two of the very best things.



Nice. Powerful stuff right there.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27029265 - 11/08/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I like, but what is common sense and how common is it?


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Rahz]
    #27029303 - 11/08/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Uncommon, IME.

I think it is the same as wisdom, in a way, if a more dulled down version perhaps?

Perhaps a tendency to not do foolish or unwise things often?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27029758 - 11/09/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

90% at least of all that we do is rote.
not wrote as in preordained, but rote or reflex as in automatic response.

this comforts me because it know i can change myself by practicing new responses.

if i mess up (90% most likely) i can start again.

in this way i reincarnate myself and heal while screwing up some more


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27029875 - 11/09/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

ha

best to screw up as little as possible


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27029882 - 11/09/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I like that you are so much better and greater and in a better positition than us and still honest about and saying that you screw up

as if you have put gear into a machine that you are and go better

going to better places

and because of like having put good things into oneself

it is comforting and encouraging of course

and happifying of course

now I get that it is about how what changes what to what as in getting a better time and worse but I still don't understand wether everything is perfect and such things it's the only thing I get

:tongue2:


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27029905 - 11/09/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

another thing is meditation

:laugh:

every time you think I want some benefit I want better things in my life you can meditate

it may take like 2000 hours to come to this place

but it is a lovely thing

and I'm not disputing or belittling the initial benefits

before about 2000 hours

but somewhere down the line you will have gotten so much benefit that you think oh I sit for extra benefit then good things will come to me

to my life

it is like taking psychedelics

it is like you sit back and watch the extra enhancement

it is like understanding that it is extra positive, positive good and leaning back into a more positive better movie/ride/time

it has to be experienced

still it is benefits

and it happens after like 2000 hours

it is nice to know that there is a garantie about being human or a fixed prospect by doing 2000 hours of a kind of work

but then of course you have to do the 2000 hours

and then we're back to the better ride/life/time

or 1500 hours

the best thing to do it is to do 2 x 45 minutes every day

redgreenvines got started much before I did when he was 13 with BOTH MEDITATION AND YOGA

this is extremely important

starting early

otherwise it is about gardening (routine) and getting closer to the middle way

and not abandoning

and sticking to it and sticktoitness

but after like 1500 hours it becomes like eating candy

that enhances your life quickly and utterly efficiently

even your life is somewhat candy like

we want it instantly but when we do 2 x 45 minutes a day it only takes 3 - 4 years


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27029992 - 11/09/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In spite of my generally negative outlook I do believe in Jerusalem, although it's a far cry from here, the possibility of it is comforting. And I believe in the origin of things.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27030517 - 11/09/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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90% at least of all that we do is rote.





indeed  ...

Some might say that for the masses, that come home, from work, flip on the TV,  and crack a beer---more like 99.99..% is rote.

Others might say being aware, is more important than what one does outwardly.

I doubt we get any brownie points, for clever opinions.

If the mindful rock climber, experiences a high on reaching the summit, will the junkie be impressed? Is the dopamine hit the same?
Does awareness/  freedom have a different reward system?


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27030588 - 11/09/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ferdinando,
I think you make me out to be better than possible, so that can be dialed back a bit.
If I were that good it would be amazing, but to be called that good and not really be any better than anyone else makes me feel uncomfortable, and you would not want to do that, so, please do not complement or praise me - it feels too weird.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27030641 - 11/09/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Stroking ego, but no ego to stroke.

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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: teknix]
    #27031820 - 11/10/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Probably not the case, hence his guardedness.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27031972 - 11/10/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Only the wise say they are not wise. So modest!... and handsome too!


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Rahz]
    #27031991 - 11/10/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No word of a lie, I hear RGV walks on water in his spare time.

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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27032040 - 11/10/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I sink


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27032088 - 11/10/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ice ink?


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27032129 - 11/10/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I know I was just joking. I mean for fucks sake you can't even spell compliment. May as well be a vegetable really.


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27032976 - 11/11/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Did this turn into another redgreenvines appreciation thread?

If so, that's fine. Probably better than the initial premise. :lol:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion]
    #27032982 - 11/11/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: The premise is ok, I got allude to determinism as a belief!

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Re: Tell me about the comforting beliefs... [Re: Lion]
    #27033186 - 11/11/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Did this turn into another redgreenvines appreciation thread?

If so, that's fine. Probably better than the initial premise. :lol:



one was really more than enough, I think it is about how good some of us can poke the bear.


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