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A Pantastic Growlog! 1
#27023734 - 11/05/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I tried my luck with pans in the past but without success. I have a fairly good idea what I did wrong and I'll do my best not to make the same mistakes again. For this growlog I'm going to be trying different strategies and I'm not going to quit until I see results.
Very recently jcm4620 very generously gifted me some Panaeolus prints. I inoculated 2 PF-tek pucks on 30 October and already have some growth on both pucks.
I'm excited to be doing this. 
6 November.

10 November.

Both plates are looking something like this today.
I poked the less puffy looking sectors and I made a couple LC's. Each got 250ml H2O, 1% LME and 0.1% agar. Went a lot heavier on the LME this time than my usual 0.2%. Threw a couple stir bars in both jars, too.
I expect the LC's to be ready very soon, like 5-6 days, so I'm getting the bulk material tomorrow and will start preparing it asap. Sourced some almost fresh poo that's probably going to need some leaching.
18 November.
 
Some thick agar LC and syringe jam packed full of myc.

Inoculated 17 jars. It is a mix of brown rice and millet. There was some minor clumping in some jars caused by the rice so it's not something I would recommend.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27023791 - 11/05/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Excellent! I was planning on panning, but didn't realize I can only buy manure during the spring, and asking ranchers for some at this time of year would seem weird I'd think.
I'll definitely be watching this
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: One of Us] 1
#27031661 - 11/10/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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good luck
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: gt40]
#27031758 - 11/10/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I left a little update in the OP.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27031831 - 11/10/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can I mark this thread to follow?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: hallmaker]
#27031837 - 11/10/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You just did. Now it's in your "Threads" underneath your name up top
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: hallmaker]
#27031838 - 11/10/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, you said you had mistakes on the first grow. Can you list those mistakes?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: hallmaker]
#27031867 - 11/10/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's the agar in the LCs for?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: dfwerydfhg]
#27031984 - 11/10/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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hallmaker said: Also, you said you had mistakes on the first grow. Can you list those mistakes?
Yes. The mistakes were many, looking back I have to admit it was really a half-assed attempt.
- I used some questionable cheap grain that made the spawn a little bacterial and pans do seem to be very sensitive to bacteria.
- I used a high spawn ratio.
- I used some composted store-bought hpoo that also contained stuff that wasn't poo.
- The final bulk substrate felt too heavy and muddy, not airy at all. I should have used some straw too.
- I couldn't find peat to make the casings so I bought something similar to Jiffy mix but it also contained coir and I made the casings too thick. Myc overlaid the hell out of the casings in all cases.
- The fruiting chambers I used were subpar to put it nicely.
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It's something I started doing fairly recently but I'm loving it so far. It speeds up the colonization of the broth and myc colonizes the broth very thoroughly too, no visible uncolonized parts of the broth to be seen like with regular LC's. The recovery on grain is also faster and it doesn't pool as much at the bottom after inoculation.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27045622 - 11/18/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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18 November.
 
Some thick agar LC and syringe jam packed full of myc.

Inoculated 17 jars. It is a mix of brown rice and millet. There was some minor clumping in some jars caused by the rice so it's not something I would recommend.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27197351 - 02/10/21 12:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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What was the results ln these, did you abandon the project?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: D3_Myc]
#27197364 - 02/10/21 12:57 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya howd that turn out of ya
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: jcm4620]
#27197370 - 02/10/21 01:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea man I abandoned it for the time being, have some jars that are colonizing invitro though, so when they finish colonizing I may update this.
The original project failed anyway and I just didn't feel like updating anything because I got completely sidetracked with other projects.
Got some bad quality dusty poo, mixed with verm and straw, pasteurized and left the jars on a shelf for a few days before spawning. When I opened the jars they gave off a bad smelled but I spawned them anyway and the trays simply stalled out on me. These are the trays 10 days after spawning.

Thanks for asking, will get back to it as soon as I can. Thanks to jmc for the awesome prints.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27197389 - 02/10/21 01:15 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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well if u need another print let me know
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: jcm4620] 2
#27197673 - 02/10/21 03:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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He needs good quality shit lol. How are there not sheep or some shit in Spain. What's the benefit of the EU if you can't even get jars, manure or tubs? Have you written to your leaders?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Wall.E]
#27197817 - 02/10/21 05:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah lol it's quite the situation. I'm sure there must be good shit round these parts I just don't know where to look, it's proven very difficult so far. Drove half an hour to get that shitty shit 
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Probably the only benefit is that it's not a felony here  Other than that it sucks big time growing where I am.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27197889 - 02/10/21 05:58 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Got me there.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Wall.E]
#27205271 - 02/14/21 10:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Broke up 3 cakes per tray, made 2 trays, they smelled nice (straw, shitty poo, verm and hydrated with rice broth). Zero game plan for fruiting when they're ready. Maybe I'll build a chamber like jcm's.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27205350 - 02/14/21 11:44 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea I been wanting to do a small chamber like his as well. Don’t really want to go the whole mini greenhouse route. Just something big enough to do a pan or two.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: D3_Myc]
#27225286 - 02/25/21 05:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok so here they are 10 days later. They recolonized very quickly but I let them consolidate for a week or so.
Just now I applied a very thin casing on both and closed the lids again. My plan is to let the trays consolidate for a couple days after I see some colonization of the casing and then introduce them to fruiting conditions.
Appreciate any opinions or critique (especially from jcm). How do they look? It's my plan sound at all? Please be ruthless if you have to.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27235187 - 03/03/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well at least I didn't get a massive overlay of the casing layer like in the past. Time to fruit these trays.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27235268 - 03/03/21 01:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you end up making a fruiting chamber ?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: insutama]
#27235362 - 03/03/21 03:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very cool! Yeah consolidation is one of the important things with pans.
This is looking good, how are you going to fruit them?
Looking forward to see where this goes.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27235471 - 03/03/21 04:33 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell yeah
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: insutama]
#27245941 - 03/10/21 01:07 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some pins popped up overnight! 
Must be the lightning but things look drier in the pics than irl.
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Yes, but since it's experimental and I'm kinda playing it by ear as I go, I'd rather explain it all once the grow is finished so I can gain even more insight in order to be able to give a more detailed/accurate account of the entire process. All I can say is that it was nothing fancy and it's all been easy.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27246620 - 03/10/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Josex said:

Some pins popped up overnight! 
Must be the lightning but things look drier in the pics than irl.
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insutama said: Did you end up making a fruiting chamber ?
Yes, but since it's experimental and I'm kinda playing it by ear as I go, I'd rather explain it all once the grow is finished so I can gain even more insight in order to be able to give a more detailed/accurate account of the entire process. All I can say is that it was nothing fancy and it's all been easy.
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Awsome im looking forward to seeing how you made ur FC so i can copy it haha
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: insutama]
#27247781 - 03/11/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tray #1 today:

Tray #2, lagging behind:

New pins seem to pop up every time I take a look.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27247793 - 03/11/21 08:04 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: stubb]
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Bobbit]
#27249357 - 03/12/21 05:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then when its done you can send me a print!
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: zMan]
#27250667 - 03/13/21 02:32 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tray #1:

Tray #2:

It's 55F (12°C) outside, they seem to be struggling a bit. I think I'm going to be using a fishtank heater for my next grow.
Also, I'm regretting not having added a bit more nutes in the sub. These only had a bit of rice broth as nutes.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27250849 - 03/13/21 07:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Still though not bad!
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: zMan]
#27251297 - 03/13/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looking good josex!
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: eatyualive]
#27252087 - 03/14/21 05:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You must be close to harvest now, how's it going? I'm casing mine today.
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I installed a fishtank heater yesterday and things seem to have picked up the pace in 24hrs. The FTH seems to be raising the RH in the chamber quite a bit too and them fruits seem to be asking for air so I just flipped the lid of the tote. The chamber already has a ton of holes though. I'm understanding now how some air stones like jcm's could come in real useful for this. I'm getting some for my next grow.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27252095 - 03/14/21 05:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats sick, the cap on the left looks huge. I've had a jcm style thing since Jan, only now getting to put something in it tho.
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I wanted to give it more time before saying anything but I feel something's up with these trays. Both trays are developing really slow and them gills still look sporeless. In the beginning I thought maybe they'd produce spores later on but is this even normal at this stage?
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27253314 - 03/15/21 02:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice grow josex! Wild lookin gills for sure
Pans can be some finicky bastards
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#27253320 - 03/15/21 03:01 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea they look funny lol
Too bad, I wanted to make some prints. The culture on the trays is the only culture I have atm, maybe I need to start some spores.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27255335 - 03/16/21 08:46 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll be out of town for a day or two so I had to haverst today, they seem kinda ready anyway.
Here's both trays. Let me know what you think, are these even pans?  All fruits look sporeless.
   
This is the ghetto chamber I put together at the last minute. Please note the following is only a mere account of what I did and in no way I'm suggesting this experimental chamber I whipped up in the last minute is good. I have no doubt there are better ways to do things. Atually, I came to realize eventually that a chamber like jcm's would be a lot more maintenance free

Used a 1/4” drill bit to make 12 lower holes and 20 upper holes.
Since I know that's a lot of holes, I taped the lower ones in the beginning and just tried to read the surface to see if they will be ok with me untaping the holes gradually over the course of some days. Eventually all the holes ended up untaped before pins even started to pop up.
That white contraption you can see is just an ultrasonic mist maker I had laying around, so I used it manually whenever I felt the surface needed it. So in a sense the mist maker was for this chamber what a hand sprayer is for cubes. The problem is that the mist it makes stays at the surface level of the water, so in order to fix this I just opened the lid a bit and the air currents created from this motion was enough to disperse the mist throughout the whole chamber.
Up until this point there was no fishtank heater yet but temps were kinda lowish so I bought a FTH in the end which stayed plugged 24/7. The FTH not only raised the temp, it also made the water evaporate at a much faster rate, which in turn raised the RH in the chamber noticeably, making the mist maker absolutely redundant.
I noticed that the trays started to look a bit too wet so I had to flip the lid to allow more FAE middle flush.
Takeaway from the experience:
- Add more nutes next time.
- Get rid of the mist maker, keep the FTH and buy a set of air stones.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
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Have you tried pans before?
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Good stuff! I need to do one of these grows one of these days. My house is relative cold so I might have to time it for the summer.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: zMan]
#27255627 - 03/16/21 01:10 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Josex they definitely look like pans due to size and lack of a veil. Maybe they are albino? Take some clones!
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: tiptrippy]
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Have you tried pans before?
Nope, will do!
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I think so, they just look so strange. The cakes I crumbled smelled unmistakably like pans too.
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Re: A Pantastic Growlog! [Re: Josex]
#27255868 - 03/16/21 04:29 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Post in the official pan page and ask the guys.
Also I recommend taking a full dose all at once. I took .5g and then 1.5hrs later I took another .5g and the trip didn't really get that much better but it lasted for what felt like forever
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