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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers]
#27023124 - 11/05/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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feevers said: Even if Biden gets 270, which is far from a given, it's going to be months of ugliness.
It's not far from given. Trump lost. Straight up. The math makes it impossible for him.
He would need tens of thousands of votes that dont exist.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers]
#27023131 - 11/05/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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wtf, i did not know this, thank you for sharing
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: mushboy]
#27023150 - 11/05/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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feevers said: Even if Biden gets 270, which is far from a given, it's going to be months of ugliness.
It's not far from given. Trump lost. Straight up. The math makes it impossible for him.
He would need tens of thousands of votes that dont exist.
His lead had gone down to only 100k in PA, so assuming the votes there keep trending the same way, biden has it.
If not, Trump will likely win GA and NC, he still has a shot in AZ, and I think people are overestimating NV. The blue zones in and around vegas are a whole lot of service industry people, many likely didn't vote or even voted trump due to fears of more lockdowns that could affect their livelihood.
Biden really might need more than just 270 to fend off all the fuckery that will be pulled before things are finalized.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers] 2
#27023160 - 11/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sooo...
Obama wrestled his way through republican obstruction, even shutting the goverment down twice to thwart him.
The republicans elect an extremist racist bigot who spends his days golfing and overturning obama's decisions
The democrats win and will now face widespread obstruction by republicans on all levels.
THANK YOU JESUS THAT I WAS BORN IN A COUNTRY WITHOUT REPUBLICANS.
Sorry but wtf? Thats not politics its being a straight up cunt.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: Asante]
#27023165 - 11/05/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Republicans believe that science is a hoax and that thoudands of years ago the dad of some white dude from the middle east who's mother never had sex invented reality and also does not like gay people.
Do you expect any less?
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: psi]
#27023181 - 11/05/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Was it you or Enlil or someone else that said there is no way Trump will concede to lose the election? He will find some way to stay in office beyond his term even if he loses?
Crazy accurate prediction whoever said it. My memory is not great with that that is my fault I forget who said it. But damn was it an accurate statement.
No recount is going to take a 3 million vote lead and give it to the other candidate.
The popular vote is not how the winner is determined in presidential elections in the US though. The winner needs 270 electoral college votes and Biden has that on the dot if he wins Nevada and Arizona where he currently leads. If Biden does not win both Nevada and Arizona, Trump can win unless Biden makes up the difference by winning Georgia (Trump leads by very little but few votes remaining to count) or Pennsylvania (Trump currently leads by more, but a greater proportion of votes remaining to count.)
Then what is the hold up? Either way? Electoral is supposed to be based on the popular vote anyway since electoral counts are counted on placed with higher population. While not totally the same system its unheard of that anyone can get more popular votes and lose the electoral count. It is theoretically possible but higher popular votes almost always lead to greater electoral votes.
Like I said what is the hold up? Why recount votes when original votes are not finished counting anyway? If the original tally was in and Trump wants a recount ok. But if Trump is simply stalling his loss that is sadly pathetic. He is only asking for recounts in states that never finished counting. Why not order a recount of all states when all states are finished if he doesn't like the results.
Politics is confusing mang. Abysmal winners and sore losers all around.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: imachavel]
#27023185 - 11/05/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Was it you or Enlil or someone else that said there is no way Trump will concede to lose the election? He will find some way to stay in office beyond his term even if he loses?
Crazy accurate prediction whoever said it. My memory is not great with that that is my fault I forget who said it. But damn was it an accurate statement.
No recount is going to take a 3 million vote lead and give it to the other candidate.
The popular vote is not how the winner is determined in presidential elections in the US though. The winner needs 270 electoral college votes and Biden has that on the dot if he wins Nevada and Arizona where he currently leads. If Biden does not win both Nevada and Arizona, Trump can win unless Biden makes up the difference by winning Georgia (Trump leads by very little but few votes remaining to count) or Pennsylvania (Trump currently leads by more, but a greater proportion of votes remaining to count.)
Then what is the hold up? Either way? Electoral is supposed to be based on the popular vote anyway since electoral counts are counted on placed with higher population. While not totally the same system its unheard of that anyone can get more popular votes and lose the electoral count. It is theoretically possible but higher popular votes almost always lead to greater electoral votes.
? Both Al Gore and Hillary Clinton had higher popular votes but lost because of the electoral college. Any democratic candidate who loses may likely do the same for the forseeable future.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers]
#27023202 - 11/05/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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feevers said: Even if Biden gets 270, which is far from a given, it's going to be months of ugliness.
It's not far from given. Trump lost. Straight up. The math makes it impossible for him.
He would need tens of thousands of votes that dont exist.
His lead had gone down to only 100k in PA, so assuming the votes there keep trending the same way, biden has it.
If not, Trump will likely win GA and NC, he still has a shot in AZ, and I think people are overestimating NV. The blue zones in and around vegas are a whole lot of service industry people, many likely didn't vote or even voted trump due to fears of more lockdowns that could affect their livelihood.
Biden really might need more than just 270 to fend off all the fuckery that will be pulled before things are finalized.
Biden has an almost 4 million vote count lead. Honestly Arizona and Nevada and Georgia and Pennsylvania are not nearly as high electorally as California and New York which Biden win. But Trump won Florida and Texas which is huge. Still, the population for all 4 states of Nevada and Arizona and Georgia and Pennsylvania does not equal the electoral count of California. Can Trump really gain an electoral advantage over Biden in two states to beat him when Biden has almost 4 million more votes then Trump? I feel like he would need all 4 of those states to pull that off. Not that I am an expert. Also its not like these states have not finished counting votes yet. They counted. Trump got Georgia and Pennsylvania and Biden got Arizona and Nevada. What we are waiting on is a recount. For Trump to win he pretty much has to gain 3 or more of these states in a recount landslide to beat Biden. It has to be proven that Biden cannot beat Trump with 3 million extra votes over Trump or that was counted wrong entirely from the 1st place.
Basically Trump lost. And is crying about it. And is now trying to rig it to show he won. Which for a man as powerful as he is is probably entirely possible. I have no doubt that Biden won. Proving this is something else. Challenging the POTUS is a big deal. If Trump loses Biden is the next POTUS. But until then Trump is the current POTUS and you know you don't just give that shit away like candy.
best of luck America. With a system this corrupt and flawed it makes me wonder what hope changing the current administration will do anyway. But for everyone who believes Biden will be a much stronger person then Trump my goes out to you. For all those who think Trump should continue and the idea Biden will do any better is retarded and the question should only come in the most rhetorical sense? Well?
Well fuck you people anyway. Yeah Biden has dementia and is a total moron. But Trump is a racist misogynist piece of shit and how dare you support him? Cmon its time to move on. there I said it. That will be the only time you hear me take Biden's side.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: Asante]
#27023204 - 11/05/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, Asante, it ain't all tulips and clogs over here!
(...and flipping canals and bikes and legal debauchery and holding back the ocean and.....)
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers]
#27023209 - 11/05/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Was it you or Enlil or someone else that said there is no way Trump will concede to lose the election? He will find some way to stay in office beyond his term even if he loses?
Crazy accurate prediction whoever said it. My memory is not great with that that is my fault I forget who said it. But damn was it an accurate statement.
No recount is going to take a 3 million vote lead and give it to the other candidate.
The popular vote is not how the winner is determined in presidential elections in the US though. The winner needs 270 electoral college votes and Biden has that on the dot if he wins Nevada and Arizona where he currently leads. If Biden does not win both Nevada and Arizona, Trump can win unless Biden makes up the difference by winning Georgia (Trump leads by very little but few votes remaining to count) or Pennsylvania (Trump currently leads by more, but a greater proportion of votes remaining to count.)
Then what is the hold up? Either way? Electoral is supposed to be based on the popular vote anyway since electoral counts are counted on placed with higher population. While not totally the same system its unheard of that anyone can get more popular votes and lose the electoral count. It is theoretically possible but higher popular votes almost always lead to greater electoral votes.
? Both Al Gore and Hillary Clinton had higher popular votes but lost because of the electoral college. Any democratic candidate who loses may likely do the same for the forseeable future.
"When the final vote count was returned Trump had received a total of 62,980,160 votes (46.1%), while Clinton had amassed 65,845,063 (48.2%). The Democratic nominee therefore received roughly 2.9 million more votes, giving her a margin of 2.1% over her opponent. However a series of narrow wins for Trump in valuable states like Florida gave him enough Electoral College votesto secure a place in White House."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2020/11/03/latest_news/1604429928_570647.amp.html
Well I will be damned you are totally right. But even at that Biden is ahead in both the popular and electoral count

This chart has barely changed in the last 24 hours. This is a serious hold up
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: imachavel] 2
#27023215 - 11/05/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think they should just stop the counting
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: SonicTitan]
#27023217 - 11/05/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean fuck it right? why are we going through all this?
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: SonicTitan]
#27023221 - 11/05/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol
'PENCILS DOWN!'
'...uhh, Mr. President, we, uhh...'
'WHAT!'
('...fuck, who is going to tell him?')
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: SonicTitan]
#27023222 - 11/05/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: I think they should just stop the counting 
Maybe they could stop the counting and just ask the American people who thy want for president.
Oh wait..
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: imachavel]
#27023225 - 11/05/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Popular vote doesn't mean anything nationally, you could technically get elected with like 18 votes regardless of how many your opponent has.
Biden's up big now and it looks very likely that he'll win PA which will gurantee him the election (for the moment), but if he loses PA Trump could win the other states and he would win. Not likely at all since PA is looking extremely good for Biden, and Biden is thought to be strongly favored in NV and AZ, but still entirely possible. I'm really hesitant to believe anything at the moment, nothing involving trump ever ends up making sense.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers]
#27023231 - 11/05/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was just joking about stopping the counts.
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Re: Return America to Greatness by Voting Against Trump 2020!!! [Re: feevers]
#27023245 - 11/05/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Biden's up big
With more votes than Barry. It’s miraculous.
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People in America think he's a good business man because of a reality tv show. Even though every business he's ever had has failed. People are fucking retarded. It's pretty pathetic that he ended up there in the first place and that it's this close after 4 years of the most face palm shit ever. Anyone who truly thinks Trump is a smart guy and a good business man i'm sure he'd love to meet you. Be an easy mark to rip off because your obviously dumb af.
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Re: Keep America Great! [Re: Enjoywho] 1
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He has sued his way through life to get to where he is and even during the election for his final chance at a final term he is suing his way through this as well. If there is one thing Trump has taught us its that if you can afford to sue your way through life you are really going places.
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#27023702 - 11/05/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If there is one thing Trump has taught us its that if you can afford to sue your way through life you are really going places.
Trump has taught us that modern day republicanism has absolutely nothing to do with common decency, fair play and family values.
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