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Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon * 1
    #27023325 - 11/05/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you think this cartoon rage happens only when muhammed is depicted, you are wrong.
A dutch teacher had to get police protection because he had this cartoon hanging in his classroom.
Now, brainwashed kids are riling each other up to make blasphemy illegal.



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #27023336 - 11/05/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How much more freedom are we going to squander away with this disastrous immigration policy. We need immigration, im totally fine with the concept. But i know that there is a shit-ton of money being made by people who have zero conscience, on the backs of tens of thousands of immigrants. Immigrants who end up in Europe, without any future. We cant give them that future, that was just a fata morgana told to them by the ´slave traders´ whom they paid tens of thousands of dollars to.

What we need is a smart immigration plan, one which is fair to the immigrants, who will come here and immediately will have a place in society because they are in high demand. And fair to the residents of the country, who will also benefit from the immigrant in many ways.

We need to start it right now because shit is getting out of hand.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27023418 - 11/05/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some serious mother fuckers

Been goin head to head with ol usa for years

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: stzacrack] * 5
    #27023475 - 11/05/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its outrageous he needs police protection and that there is a threat and all that but THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27023526 - 11/05/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The guy gave civics education!

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27023616 - 11/05/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.



Yeah I mean that just shows a complete lack of respect, regard, or common sense; especially so that he's hanging it in front of children in a place of education.

As you say, in a just world he would not need live in fear for sharing satire, but given the world we live in and recent teacher attack for something similar - it's asking for trouble, plain and simple.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27023626 - 11/05/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Great sarcasm!

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27023656 - 11/05/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No sarcasm at all.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27023720 - 11/05/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You must be joking.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #27023900 - 11/05/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You think the guy had no reason to expect some bad reactions to that, given the world we live in?

That just seems hopelessly naive, if you think that could have been the case for him.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27024249 - 11/06/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That cartoon had been hanging in his classroom for 5 years without any problem.
After some lunatic kills another teacher over a cartoon, suddenly the muslim kids start raving about it. You really think the right move is then to remove said cartoon? That would be insane.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27024250 - 11/06/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And its not about ´children`, its about young adults aged 15 to 18.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27024252 - 11/06/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Its outrageous he needs police protection and that there is a threat and all that but THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.



all of this. Clearly a bad choice, and a clear overreaction, they're not mutually exclusive


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Ezuma]
    #27024258 - 11/06/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Satire will always victor over violence. What is political about that?

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27024269 - 11/06/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Its outrageous he needs police protection and that there is a threat and all that but THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.





You think what happens in schools, is all a-political?
What about the Fridays for future movement, you are against that too? It was propagated in most schools, at least in Holland.
And posters and discussions about BLM?

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27024275 - 11/06/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Tell you what I wouldn't do = teach in Europe & show cartoons.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: unam sanctum]
    #27024293 - 11/06/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Neither would i, but i refuse to take that as a given.
The fact that i could Suicide by islam today, by walking into my own cities muslim neighbourhood with a cartoon glued to my back. I happen to believe that we need to change shit now, before more and bigger freedoms are lost.

Also, some people here are really blindsiding that the cartoon was inside a classroom, ´keep politics outside of classrooms´. As if the problem for islamist barbarians, is the fact that its hanging inside a classroom. Hanging these cartoons in front of your window will get all your windows smashed in, or worse.
Hanging it anywhere is a problem.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 4
    #27024296 - 11/06/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

- The guy has Muslim Students
- The Cartoon stereotypized Muslims in an unkind way and mocks them
- Its about Charlie Hebdo, we all know their cartoons got people killed

IT DOESN'T BELONG IN A CLASSROOM.

Paintings of Jesus, paintings of Hitler and anti Muslim cartoons do not belong in a CLASSROOM.

The guy provoked the Muslim students in his own classes.

No, this was perfectly predictable and his bad.

It was a political statement by the teacher against Muslims in a multiethnic classroom.

The school should give him a temporary suspension for it to distance themselves.




Our history teacher had this hanging in her classroom:



When asked about it she identified as Jewish and told us that these signs were hanging all over Auschwitz in German and Polish "A Louse, Your Death" as a means to terrify people into meekly undergoing the "delousing treatment" with Zyklon B.

That is an entirely different thing than what went on here.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #27024302 - 11/06/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Neither would i, but i refuse to take that as a given.
The fact that i could Suicide by islam today, by walking into my own cities muslim neighbourhood with a cartoon glued to my back. I happen to believe that we need to change shit now, before more and bigger freedoms are lost.

Also, some people here are really blindsiding that the cartoon was inside a classroom, ´keep politics outside of classrooms´. As if the problem for islamist barbarians, is the fact that its hanging inside a classroom. Hanging these cartoons in front of your window will get all your windows smashed in, or worse.
Hanging it anywhere is a problem.

Greets Tom




If you figure out this one you should bottle it and sell it. All the people I know who practice Islam are westerners (US) who are very tolerant.  I can't speak on Europe's influx, and I am not about to condemn an entire belief system in a generic way.  I will say that anyone who believes in strict religious censorship does not share my values at all, and I strongly believe freedom of speech to be a hallmark of human progression.  The primary question here being that it was put up by a teacher in a classroom, and isn't that wrong and stuff? Well, it's not nice per se.  I mean, it doesn't even seem very smart from a security perspective.  Also, I'm not sure why it matters, considering that no matter what anyone ever sees in any classroom, nothing should ever make a beheading or murder the viable answer.  Lots of angles honestly.  So, yeah, good luck with all that sincerely.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 4
    #27024308 - 11/06/20 02:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Freedom of speech should not be debatable

You dont see Katholics cutting off peoples heads when cartoons of pedofile priests are shared

Getting mighty tired of these sensitive religious jackasses


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #27024317 - 11/06/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It doesnt belong in the classroom. There the students are to restrain themselves and the teachers as well.

As fredom loving as I am, there is also is Cause and Effect.

Charlie Hebdo were experts at kicking people when they were down.

They were paid a visit by experts at shooting people in the face when they're down.

Entirely tragic - entirely predicatable.

This is how the world works - fucked up.





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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27024321 - 11/06/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It doesnt belong in the classroom. There the students are to restrain themselves and the teachers as well.

As fredom loving as I am, there is also is Cause and Effect.

Charlie Hebdo were experts at kicking people when they were down.

They were paid a visit by experts at shoothing people in the face when they're down.

Entirely tragic - entirely predicatable.

This is how the world works - fucked up.





It doesn't belong in a classroom.




You have a really wonderful worldview there.  Assuming you make a cartoon about something sacred to me, it's understandable that I would pursue your death? You cannot be serious?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: unam sanctum]
    #27024325 - 11/06/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You don't understand what I'm saying.

The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.

If you let your ideals prevail over common sense you get locked up for 26 years like Nelson Mandela, you get gunned down like Charlie Hebdo, and your Muslim Students are going to rebel against you.

You don't wear a sign saying n*ggers into the ghetto. You can harp on free speech all you want but you know whats gonna happen :didnazithatcoming:

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Assuming you make a cartoon about something sacred to me, it's understandable that I would pursue your death?




You are mistaking "understandable" with an endorsement of their right to shoot you in the face.

No, if you offend people known to shoot people in the face over the exact kind of thing Charlie Hebdo persists in, there is a risk that some people are going to do just that.

If you draw a gun in a Texas store, you get shot. Show up as a black guy at a Klan rally, you might get mistreated or lynched.

This is the world you live in:





If you don't modify your behaviors accordingly, your life may take a turn for the worse.


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You have a really wonderful worldview there.




I have a wonderfully accurate view of what can get you killed in a fucked up world.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27024338 - 11/06/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, well duh.  Common sense is not so common, as Pris might have said.  I thought we were talking about how we as a tolerant people have decided that it is not ok to kill each other over jokes, or even seriously negative speech.  I thought we held the violent aggressors responsible regardless of race, creed or sex. You don't seem to set the bar of humanity too high with "well, what did you expect."


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: unam sanctum]
    #27024345 - 11/06/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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how we as a tolerant people have decided that it is not ok to kill each other over jokes, or even seriously negative speech.




We're not.

1 in 20 people is a psychopath or narcissist.

One in 4 or so women are straight up raped.

Kids show up at school with teeth knocked out by daddy.

We're a pack of wild beasts that is losing its cohesion.

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I thought we held the violent aggressors responsible regardless of race, creed or sex




You and I do!

But the others, well, they ARE the violent aggressors.

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You don't seem to set the bar of humanity too high with "well, what did you expect."




I have lived my life traumatized and with PTSD and other syndromes because of the abuse, the neglect and the savagery that I underwent during my childhood.

I'm an ex child soldier of the war zone of my childhood :childsoldier:

I love everybody but some of us are spectacular sons of bitches and we must navigate our way around them to keep doing works of good to an old age, or meet an early grave.

I live in a place where it was a thing to round up all the ethnic minorities, sell off their shit, send them on an express train to Poland 50 in a cattle car of which 5 died, to undress them, crowd them in an underground chamber, gas them with insecticide and send them up the flue in one fluent operation 1500 at a time, after pulling out their gold teeth mind you, and selling the ashes as fertilizer to farmers. Human fertilizer factories.

We ourselves refer to this area haughtily as "the civilized world"

Fucking mustard gas and antipersonnel mines man.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27024446 - 11/06/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Something being predictable doesnt make it right

Apply that logic to the abolishment of slavery.

"Sorry dudes, no freedom for you. Just the way the world works ya know. We dont want to offend anyone"


The classroom is the ultimate place for new and confrontational ideas. It should be a safe space to explare the boundaries of human thought, where its the teachers role to provide background information.


Yes, I expect Muslims bitching about cartoons. I also expect our government and media to go against that hard.
Unfortunately that ship seems to have sailed here


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    #27024447 - 11/06/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Something being predictable doesnt make it right

Apply that logic to the abolishment of slavery.






OK, hang it in a classroom in Iran.

I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying that one has to be sensible in ones actions because many others aren't.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27024459 - 11/06/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I dont think that was an appropriate cartoon, but any muslim giving him death threats I consider an extremest and should be in a "western" country


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: gopher]
    #27024463 - 11/06/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A teenager going "I'm gonna kill you man" is a death threat nowadays.

Teenagers are reckless and test the acceptable and unacceptable.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27024571 - 11/06/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I happen to believe that we need to change shit now, before more and bigger freedoms are lost.



So what's the plan? How do we eradicate extremists and violence from our world?

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The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.



Exactly. So whilst we're in the process of implementing whatever wonderful plan comes from the above questions, we have to adapt to this clusterfuck as it is, and not go around poking hornets nests with sticks.

This whole thing reminds me of the outcry here when a video of a guy with a huge American flag riling up a gang of BLM protesters and got a beating for it was posted. If you don't want painful consequences, then don't further anger people who are already angry, right?

Regardless of WHAT IS RIGHT in this world, we have WHAT IT IS, and if you can't adapt to that, you're going to suffer for it.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27025012 - 11/06/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

tomnl said:
I happen to believe that we need to change shit now, before more and bigger freedoms are lost.



So what's the plan? How do we eradicate extremists and violence from our world?

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Asante said:
The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.



Exactly. So whilst we're in the process of implementing whatever wonderful plan comes from the above questions, we have to adapt to this clusterfuck as it is, and not go around poking hornets nests with sticks.

This whole thing reminds me of the outcry here when a video of a guy with a huge American flag riling up a gang of BLM protesters and got a beating for it was posted. If you don't want painful consequences, then don't further anger people who are already angry, right?

Regardless of WHAT IS RIGHT in this world, we have WHAT IT IS, and if you can't adapt to that, you're going to suffer for it.




Im not talking about what is smart and what is not smart, is it smart to run a red flag in front of a bull? No it isnt. But if its a necessary act, when everybody starts to swirl their red flags, coming together as a society will make this kind of extremism futile. I understand cowardice, im no stranger to it. But why do governments not encourage this kind of resistance to what is threatening us as a whole. I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´ hollow words. Every. Single. Time.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025025 - 11/06/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

he shouldn't have had that cartoon up in his class -does this mean he deserves death threats? No absolutely. Anyone meaning to kill him for this cartoon is a piece of shit and their intentions are inexcusable.
With that said, it was still a bad call of his, and I agree that teachers should not be putting things like that in a classroom. I don't care about the feelings of religious extremists at all, but that's beside the point


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    #27025042 - 11/06/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´




The teacher brought the violence to the classroom, a beheading cartoon where an offender of Islam mocks a sterotyped Arab, bloodied scimitar in hand - in a class with Muslim students.

I guaratee you that teacher has a resentment against Arabs, Moroccans, like so many here, and that this narrative enters the classroom between the lines in more ways than hanging that provocative beheading cartoon.

And they called him on it.

And cops were called.

And now hes the victim of Radical Islam.

BULLSHIT.

We like to spit people in the face and demand that they don't take offense.

Like black pete.

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    #27025049 - 11/06/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just to try to understand you:

cartoons are violence

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    #27025054 - 11/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like you are radicalizing Asante.
You advocated for political murder on the forum like a week ago?
´We need a new Volkert van der Graaf?

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    #27025085 - 11/06/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I feel like you are radicalizing Asante.
You advocated for political murder on the forum like a week ago?
´We need a new Volkert van der Graaf?

Greets Tom




This feeling of yours is not based on the reality of what I said but on how you choose to perceive me.

What am I saying?

Quote:

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When you guys gonna get Geert Wilders in?



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Geert's a dumb idiot. His rhetoric is entirely infeasible, clashing not just with the constitution but with basic human rights.

Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly.







Rephrasing: If Geert Wilders would rise to power a presidential assessin would stand up and take him out.

I'm in no way endorsing that. I'm not advocating or defending it. I'm simply saying that its basic cause and effect that if Geert Wilders rose to power, he'd go the way of Pim Fortuyn or  Theo Van Gogh.

Not because I like that so much, but because thats what our nation has become. Simply, cause and effect.

A large part of Holland are hotheaded aggressive assholes and Geert Wilders is so extreme and  nonsensical in his political statements (burn all Qu'rans and demolish all mosques, remove constitutional protection of Muslims and tax "head rags" as he calls Hijabs) that he's either going to be killed by one of our assholes or a muslim nation will put a price on his head and a fatwa to end his existence on this planet.

You can't say those things, come into power, and live. Its incompatible with the nation and the planet.

Its not how the world works.

Do you think the Muslim World will sit on its ass when the mosques are demolished and the qu'rans burned? Do you think that genuine patriotic Dutchmen are going to allow a Kristallnacht and rise of that kind of regime to our freedoim loving country that has such vivid memory of the Nazi occupation?

The world doesnt work that way.



And I say, if you are a politician who literally says things like burn all Qu'rans and demolish all mosques, remove constitutional protection of Muslims and tax "head rags" as he calls Hijabs - you are a dumb idiot because thats political suicide. That has no chance of succeeding. The Dutch are too averse to totalitarianism and the Muslims wont stand for it.
No chance, absolutely no chance, and thats dumb, that is politically infeasible and it clashes with constitutional and basic human rights.

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    #27025090 - 11/06/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If muslims aren't the type of people to cut heads off over cartoons, then it doesn't portray them at all, so how does it portray them negatively?  Why would he need police protection if muslims aren't irrationally violent over cartoons? 

How is it mocking muslims if they don't cut heads off cartoonists?  Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly? 

Do you believe it is perfectly acceptable under Sharia for someone to have their head cut off for mocking Islam?  What about having one hand and the opposite foot cut off for trying to prevent Islam from taking over? 

If the guy had Flat Earth students, would he be wrong to have a globe sitting on his desk?


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    #27025102 - 11/06/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If muslims aren't the type of people to cut heads off over cartoons, then it doesn't portray them at all, so how does it portray them negatively?




If christians aren't the type of people to burn crosses on black peoples lawns, then it doesn't portray them at all, so how does it portray them negatively?


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    #27025114 - 11/06/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It doesn't portray them at all, you literally answered your own question.
:elmo:

Care to answer any of the other questions?  Do you think it is acceptable to cut the head off a cartoonist in a sharia-controlled society?  Do you believe it is acceptable to cut off the hands and feet on opposite sides of someone who tries to prevent Islam from taking over?

Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025119 - 11/06/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

´Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly´, isnt based on reality either. Yet you choose to cast this fantasy into reality. You should expect people to start asking questions about that.


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    #27025122 - 11/06/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?



All this tough talk on a forum is great n all, but what are YOU actually doing about it?



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    #27025128 - 11/06/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

MrBlueYoMind said:
Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?



All this tough talk on a forum is great n all, but what are YOU actually doing about it?




Having an open debate about it.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025131 - 11/06/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´ hollow words. Every. Single. Time.



And what does your debate achieve?

I just can't see the point in all this 'I've had enough of this' talk without any ideas as to what to do about it...


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025134 - 11/06/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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´Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly´, isnt based on reality either. Yet you choose to cast this fantasy into reality.




That is my expectation of events as they would probably go down if Geert Wilders became prime minister and actually started bulldozing mosques and holding qu'ran book burnings.

Think man.

The reality of all mosques being bulldozed all over the country and the qu'ran being book burned in town squares.

In a country where security to the level the US presidents enjoy is entirely nonexistent.

It would be big news all over the world. Every Islamic nation, religious leader and religious devotee is going to have an opinion about that. 1.8 billion people.

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    #27025140 - 11/06/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A debate can achieve many things. This may be perceived different by every participant.
I see that you probably will not achieve anything in this debate. But i might be wrong.

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    #27025155 - 11/06/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

tomnl said:
´Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly´, isnt based on reality either. Yet you choose to cast this fantasy into reality.




That is my expectation of events as they would probably go down if Geert Wilders became prime minister and actually started bulldozing mosques and holding qu'ran book burnings.

Think man.

The reality of all mosques being bulldozed all over the country and the qu'ran being book burned in town squares.

In a country where security to the level the US presidents enjoy is entirely nonexistent.

It would be big news all over the world. Every Islamic nation, religious leader and religious devotee is going to have an opinion about that. 1.8 billion people.

Not gonna go well.




Thats the thing with populists, like trump and his wall. They see a problem within a society, and offer a grotesque fix. Once in power they know very well that they cant keep sailing the radical course they did, before they got in power. But still they steer in that same direction. They get shit done, as far as democracy will let them. Thats why populists -in my eyes- are not perse a bad thing. But you need to know how to control them, and keep them in cuffs.

So if you really believe that when he comes in power, Geert Wilders will burn qurans, kill muslim babies and eat them, and what not. You are naive.


BUT if a populist takes full power, thats when shit gets really dangerous. Thats in my view where the US is right now.

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    #27025164 - 11/06/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So if you really believe that when he comes in power, Geert Wilders will burn qurans, kill muslim babies and eat them, and what not. You are naive.





No I believe that if he should get power he becomes a little bitch like Trump, not arresting Hillary, not building the wall, just fucking around.

But if he did he'd get assassinated because "pulling a Hitler" simply doesn't work anymore in Europe, and especially not when it targets the Muslims, who are 1.8 billion strong and groomed to fight what they believe in.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025169 - 11/06/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

tomnl said:
I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´ hollow words. Every. Single. Time.



And what does your debate achieve?

I just can't see the point in all this 'I've had enough of this' talk without any ideas as to what to do about it...




For me and I think a lot of people it's like a pressure release valve. Literally venting stuff to get it out there and see how it feels to look at it in the daylight, maybe it doesn't hold up to someone else's questions.


My 2 cents: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. If I call someone a racial or religious slur, I can expect them to probably get angry and retaliate. SHOULD someone get death threats over an offensive picture? No, but that's the way the world works.

Cause and effect.

Action and reaction.

Talk shit, get hit, motherfucker.



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025197 - 11/06/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A debate can achieve many things. This may be perceived different by every participant.
I see that you probably will not achieve anything in this debate. But i might be wrong.



I would always like to achieve something. This world is beyond fucked up in so many ways right now, and as far as I can see, on our current trajectory as a species is only getting worse.

So yes, not only would I like to achieve something, I would like to do something that would reduce the fuckery and suffering, if even only by a little.

Problem is, what? What can you or I or Asante or anyone here, or there, or anywhere, do to help?

If it is a case, as Trooper says, that you (or he, or she) needs to vent..

Well, that is that. Should I shut up and let that happen?

Or should I push for ideas?


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    #27025215 - 11/06/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You by all means dont have to shut up man.
Thats the opposite of what this thread should have to offer to anyone.
We all feel that ´we need to do something´ right now. But doing something can be as small as expressing opinion. Since that basic thing, that -at least to me- seemed so normal and natural, like drinking water, in the past. Seems to be a thing of the past.

I might be rambling a bit, but i mean well.

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    #27025218 - 11/06/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What the hell are you talking about Asante?

That cartoon has won a prestigious award in 2015. Its not only that cartoon in the classroom, its part of a lesson on satire

The fact that you find this normal is beyond comprehension

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    #27025236 - 11/06/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So it's reasonable to cut someones head off for drawing a cartoon of a guy who died 1400 years ago, it's reasonable to say "Don't draw cartoons and you won't get your head cut off."

It's reasonable to cut someones hand and foot off on opposing sides if they try to prevent Islam from taking over the territory they live in.
Also, this https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/27/five-men-beheaded-saudi-arabia-gay-according-confessions-extracted-torture-9328194/


But when I say we ought to have a social attitude towards pedophilia that pedophiles ought to live in fear of indulging in pedophilia, that "you can look but not touch" is a bad philosophy and ought to be "Don't look don't touch" including a protective statement "If you look at my kids sexually, you'll get your dick cut off" is horrific and makes me a monster and threat to freedom and a free mind.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025255 - 11/06/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I might be rambling a bit, but i mean well.



I feel ya man, and it's nice of you to say. I also mean nothing but good; I just wish it was clearer how to be good in this life rather than to just mean it.

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So it's reasonable to cut someones head off for drawing a cartoon of a guy who died 1400 years ago, it's reasonable to say "Don't draw cartoons and you won't get your head cut off."

It's reasonable to cut someones hand and foot off on opposing sides if they try to prevent Islam from taking over the territory they live in.
Also, this https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/27/five-men-beheaded-saudi-arabia-gay-according-confessions-extracted-torture-9328194/

But when I say we ought to have a social attitude towards pedophilia that pedophiles ought to live in fear of indulging in pedophilia, that "you can look but not touch" is a bad philosophy and ought to be "Don't look don't touch" including a protective statement "If you look at my kids sexually, you'll get your dick cut off" is horrific and makes me a monster and threat to freedom and a free mind.



I have no idea where you're getting all this from (well, I do, your head) but you're certainly inferring a lot of shit about Asante which is completely unreasonable.

Anyone who's read a dozen of his posts would know he would never support the shite your suggesting he does.

It seems you desire to be incredibly unreasonable?


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    #27025267 - 11/06/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well, anyone who read the Cuties post would know what I'm talking about.    He even went so far as to act aghast at what I said in separate thread, but here he's understanding towards ending life and saying the teacher ought not have put the cartoon up. 

I also already asked if he supported cutting someones head off in a sharia controlled society, as well as cutting hand and foot on opposite sides, both punishments dictated by Islam, and he purposefully ignored that question and seeing as how he is in defense of Islam then my inference is completely reasonable.

I've met a number of athiests who believe Islamophobia is a real thing, despite Islam being the most anti-athiest belief on the planet.  It is literally the opposite and negation of athiesm, yet athiests not only believe in Islamophobia, they extract feelings of superiority for believing in it and shutting down criticism of Islam.  So having discussions can sometimes break through the irrational nonsense that people have gobbled up to stroke their ego with.  If you claim to be an athiest, then you are claiming the religion of Islam is false, and therefor ought to be critical of it rather than coddle it.


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    #27025291 - 11/06/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mate you're out of order. He never said anything 'understanding towards ending life'.

It's really sad when people do what you just did and twist the words of a kind man against him.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025296 - 11/06/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's reasonable to cut someones head off for drawing a cartoon of a guy who died 1400 years ago, it's reasonable to say "Don't draw cartoons and you won't get your head cut off."

It's reasonable to cut someones hand and foot off on opposing sides if they try to prevent Islam from taking over the territory they live in.
Also, this https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/27/five-men-beheaded-saudi-arabia-gay-according-confessions-extracted-torture-9328194/


But when I say we ought to have a social attitude towards pedophilia that pedophiles ought to live in fear of indulging in pedophilia, that "you can look but not touch" is a bad philosophy and ought to be "Don't look don't touch" including a protective statement "If you look at my kids sexually, you'll get your dick cut off" is horrific and makes me a monster and threat to freedom and a free mind.

Interesting.







Your reading coimprehension is not at this low a level. Either you are trolling or you need to calm down a whole lot and factually read the words I write.

This is very hard because you have to listen, not to yourself, but to what I actually, word for word in its inescapable meaning, what I factually say.

And then, if you manage to do that, you see nothing of what you accuse me of.

You are setting up a strawman of what you believe I said and then attack me for it.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025302 - 11/06/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, I'm pretty sure his position is "the world is fucked up so you deal with it" meaning, accept that if you post pictures of mohammad people are going to die.  That ought to be unacceptable.



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    #27025303 - 11/06/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What the hell are you talking about Asante?





Here you state that you don't quite understand what I mean.

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Tripsurfer said:

The fact that you find this normal is beyond comprehension





Here you show that, indeed, you did not get what I was saying. It is beyond comprehension because it would be outrageous if I said it, which I didn't.

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Im done with this website

Goodbye

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Here you draw a conclusion on an incorrect assumption and take a regrettable decision based on that.

I hope you'll be back in a calmer mindstate to see that if you're not outraged, what I write does not resemble what you though it did.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #27025307 - 11/06/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah, I'm pretty sure his position is "the world is fucked up so you deal with it" meaning, accept that if you post pictures of mohammad people are going to die.  That ought to be unacceptable.



I completely disagree. What you're doing here ought to be unacceptable.

You cannot equate accepting reality with supporting all the wrongs in the world. That's absolutely bonkers.

Like I say, your accusatory nature and persecution of thoughts that you have made up and stuffed into someone else's mind is out of order.


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    #27025311 - 11/06/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"It's horrific what they did but maybe you shouldn't have provoked it" we all know that the first half of that kind of statement is just fluff to ease the impression the second half leaves. It's analogous to "Rape is awful but what was she wearing?  Did she have a mans permission to be outside?"  https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/07/16/boxed/women-and-saudi-arabias-male-guardianship-system





But hey thats just the way the world is right, people rape people.  People kill people over mohammad cartoons, best to not make em.  Don't teach students about how 12 people were killed by islamists for drawing a cartoon.  Talk about accepting reality sheesh


Oh you got drugged and raped?  Well accroding to Sharia, you had premarital sex here's your charge.  https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/19/middleeast/dubai-british-tourist-rape-arrest-claim/index.html

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #27025316 - 11/06/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Only in America have I ever heard people spout this kind of mental gymnastics of judgementalism.

Truly, a national sport in which the country is unmatched by the rest of the world.


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    #27025318 - 11/06/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I too cant comprehend why some people think like this. Does it really come down to some kind of defeatism? Or is there something deeper, something i cant perceive.


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    #27025320 - 11/06/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can't understand why someone who would get offended at the idea of telling pedophiles they could get hurt if they look at my kids sexually can't keep that same energy up when it comes to people hurting someone over A CARTOON


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    #27025336 - 11/06/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah, I'm pretty sure his position is "the world is fucked up so you deal with it" meaning, accept that if you post pictures of mohammad people are going to die.  That ought to be unacceptable.





I didnt even mention Muhammed, nor does the cartoon depict him. So, that wasn't me.

What you are right about is that I said "the world is fucked up so you deal with it."

If you insult enough Muslims deeply enough you're going to die. Fact. That is regrettable, that is unpleasant, but you say "ought" or, "shoulod be" Its not about how things should be, its about how things are, and I'm making a statement of how things are.

If you insult enough Muslims deeply enough you're going to die.

If you want to be a martyr of freedom and get killed over Anti-Islamic activity, go ahead, be that martyr. But I'm not gonna.

Listen up.

There is a huuuge nest of bees. I say: "If you poke that bees nest hard enough the bees will perceive you as a threat to the colony and attack you. Bees don't like their nest poked with a stick and they have stingers."

Whats unacceptable about saying that? That is sage advice about a factual situation.

You can consider it your right as an American or citizen of the Free World to grab a baseball bat and start slugging that bees nest, and upset all those bees who just want to bee left alone and it ought not be that you receive several thousand bee stings and die on the spot.

Oh no! It ought not be! Nests are supposed to be disturbed at will! I have the right to upset who I want. How dare you even suggest that poking the beehive will get me stung? I AM GOING TO IMPOSE MY WILL ON 1.8 BILLION BEES BY UPSETTING THEM AS MUCH AS I CAN AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME!!!

Nope, but they will, and then you are dead, and I told you so.

I did not say that I found it reasonable that people get killed over satire. I really wish that none of that existed in the world.

What I would wish is that if a Muslim felt offended by an insult against Islam, that his faith in the Almighty nature of Allah would reassure him to the point that he wouldnt resort to a level of anger that increases the spiral of violence by externalizing internal pain to external violence. And absolutely the vast majority of Muslims are that way. They know that Allah is so supreme that it reassures them into calm. But, its 1.8 billion people, so very many do not experience it this way.

If you truly realize that your God is the God of All Things, you know that He is completely beyond insult because, and I intermit to make it loud and clear: God is the Lord and Master of all things, all people and every situation. Including the offense. The peace that this brings is such that it becomes pointless to shoot out a workshop of cartoonists for making unpleasant cartoons.

God cannot be harmed by any measure.

But, your religion gets a public relations problem if it is used to justify acts of violence and the believers let this happen.

So, no, I don't find it reasonable that insulting some Muslims can result in physical violence - but its the way it is. You upset a community where honor and fighting for what you believe in are often repeated features, the outcome is predictable. That doesn't mean I like it but, its the way of the world.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025341 - 11/06/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So if the conclusion is 'if you accept the world for what it is, then you obviously support every heinous act there is' does that mean that all one need do to be righteous and unaccepting of such ills is to say 'all the ills of the world sicken me, and I do not support them at all, and I would like to see them all eradicated'?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025342 - 11/06/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some disclosure: in the Cuties thread you and several other were rallying against other members with insinuation and innuendo, which I found unfair, so I got on your case and said what I said in the most unpleasant, subtly abrasive way possible to make you feel as uncomfortable as the less skilled debaters you were badgering. You indeed lost the will to continue the discussion for quite a while :smile:

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    #27025344 - 11/06/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So if the conclusion is 'if you accept the world for what it is, then you obviously support every heinous act there is' does that mean that all one need do to be righteous and unaccepting of such ills is to say 'all the ills of the world sicken me, and I do not support them at all, and I would like to see them all eradicated'?




Because neither I nor Asante support such violent or horrific acts. Yet we have both expressed the bees nest analogy in this thread.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025345 - 11/06/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see why the muslims don't just draw their own cartoons lampooning jesus or whatever. It's all the same bullshit anyway.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025349 - 11/06/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You cannot equate accepting reality with supporting all the wrongs in the world. That's absolutely bonkers.






He probably knows its bonkers, he just wants to get payback for the butthurt I gave him in the Cuties thread.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025350 - 11/06/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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    #27025362 - 11/06/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't see why the muslims don't just draw their own cartoons lampooning jesus or whatever. It's all the same bullshit anyway.





Muslims consider Jesus a prophet.

Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the God of Abraham/Ibrahim and Noah/Nuh.

Its the same God.

You have the Old Testament.
Jesus brought the New Testament
and the Qu'ran is the Newer Testament.

Proof?



Same guy and much more important, the SAME GOD.

The difference between the three is which prophetic interpretation they value the most.

Muslims are not against Jesus, they just disagree that Jesus was any more than one of the prophets and Christians, fanbois as they are, insist Christ wasnt just a prophet but God Himself and that His Word was the Final Word.

But.. God was and always will be NOW, so it didnt stop at the crucifixion, and another prophet came and cast the previous scriptures in a new light and added newer revelations.


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    #27025363 - 11/06/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't see why the muslims don't just draw their own cartoons lampooning jesus or whatever. It's all the same bullshit anyway.



Now wouldn't that be a nice world!


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    #27025369 - 11/06/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That guy has the most godwaful monoslyabic voice in the world! Couldn't watch more than a few seconds.

What's the gig with that video? I presume you've watched it?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025372 - 11/06/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that's what I said, it's all the same shit.

Jesus this, moses that
Abraham hit me
With a wiffle ball bat

You know what I see?

I see religious people killing other religious people because they all have the same shitty values. They want to control your life and call it religious freedom. There's no such thing as religious freedom. If you believe in religion, you're not free. 1.8 billion people who are wrong are still god damn wrong.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: yeah]
    #27025376 - 11/06/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Greets Tom




Smart guy, he has some other videos which spark my curiosity as well.
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    #27025386 - 11/06/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That guy has the most godwaful monoslyabic voice in the world! Couldn't watch more than a few seconds.

What's the gig with that video? I presume you've watched it?




Ye

"Values like liberty and equality when made absolute can only ever be a temporary luxury because ultimately they create the conditions for their own destruction."

Just Kali Yuga things.
Not sure if I agree with him 100% but he does bring up valid points about the need for discretion in this era and how it relates to cultural values.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025447 - 11/06/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Age of the kids? I think this image would be appropriate for a junior or senior highschool (16-18 year olds) class. I would say the same thing about a teacher showing images of kathy griffen holding up trump's severed head.
The image is not hate speech in any form.

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Its outrageous he needs police protection and that there is a threat and all that but THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.




Young adults should be actively engaged in talking about and understanding the political world around them. WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW ANY ONE GROUP TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT HARMS NO ONE OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF FREE SPEACH.


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    #27025469 - 11/06/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Moroccans are the most marginalized, most openly discriminated againast minority of The Netherlands, kinda like African Americans in the South.

The group does not thrive and all this discrimination makes it much worse and polarizes and stigmatizes even further.

Its a huge gaffe to bring such imagery into a multi ethnic classroom, its like a Sambo or Coon mockery of Arabs and Islam if you look beyond the intent behind the image.

You really shouldn't do that because it gives the wrong signal <--- my opinion
The teacher is under police protection cause it gave the wrong signal <--- the reality

The fact that you shouldnt do that is underlined by the reality of the teacher now being under police protection for death threats. That disrupts the learning process of the students, that disrupts the ethnic harmony among the students and is a great inconvenience and embarrasment to the school, the teacher fears for his life, discriminated people feel more slighted and racists feel more justified in their racism.

TomNL and I are at odds and Tripsurfer even left.

All clear signs that it WAS wrong.

It did not in the least have the desired educational effect and caused a lot of problems foor students, school, teacher and society alike.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025489 - 11/06/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The teacher is under police protection because there are violent and intolerant people in society. It is not the same as sambo or coon mockery. The point of the image is clear, "you can chop my head off but we are still here"
It is the same as a gay couple making out in a catholic cathederal.
It is the same as an image of a black man pissing on a police officer.

It should be part of the students education on appreciating freedom of speech and acceptance of other cultures.

Just because the morroccans are disadvantaged in holland as new immigrants (like the turks before them) doesn't mean they have special rights to not be offended.

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    #27025495 - 11/06/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its failure to educate. its failure to bring the message across, its failure to produce the desired effect and on the contrary achieving the opposite.

Failure.

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    #27025505 - 11/06/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How is it a failure?
Maybe you have more context.

At the very least all the students learned that you can't speak openly about muslims without dearh theats. Which is something, right? I am sure none of the students will be hanging charlie hebdoh cartoons


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    #27025520 - 11/06/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you're a teacher.
And you give a class.
And the students are upset.
The parents are upset.
The school is upset.
Society is upset.
You need police protection.
The school looks like shit in the news.

It fails.

If you could somehow show that picture with a harmonious result then yes, you succeeded!

But it became one big clusterfuck - so bad the police had to be involved.

Imagine a staffer gets high and insults the community so deeply that there are several lawsuits against the site, it makes the news and 100 regulars mikedrop and go - thats failure! And all the rest of the staff will call him or her on that and they may be asked to step down or even be banned from the site entirely.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025531 - 11/06/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If you're a teacher.
And you give a class.
And the students are upset.
The parents are upset.
The school is upset.
Society is upset.
You need police protection.
The school looks like shit in the news.

It fails.

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Imagine if the Martin Luther King gave up fighting for racial equality because he required police protection?

Still Love you asante but I can't defend silencing speach for those reasons.


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    #27025550 - 11/06/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't defend silencing speach




As a teacher you're supposed to be competent in bringing forth the desired effect in your students.

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    #27025693 - 11/06/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IMHO islam should not be tolerated. Any religion that states that pedofilia is ok should not be allowed to be integrated as part of society.

If we do this we cannot say that there is no structural sexualization of children in our society.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #27025814 - 11/06/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some of these comments are despicable.  My gradeschool history teacher had a painting of soldiers decapitating other soldiers and blood leaking into a river while I was in 6-8th grade, that's war kids. 


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THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.



Yeah I mean that just shows a complete lack of respect, regard, or common sense; especially so that he's hanging it in front of children in a place of education.

As you say, in a just world he would not need live in fear for sharing satire, but given the world we live in and recent teacher attack for something similar - it's asking for trouble, plain and simple.






Yea, they should show the real photograph of the murdered pastor instead and hang that in the class.  Go take acid and make a fool of yourself on these boards again because you lost control.  The veterans don't forget, no matter how much time has passed or how much you want to rise above that embarrassment you're a noodle here to the people with years on the board that are in the know.  Your actions here and now are proof you are missing a screw when it comes to Freedom.  You are a walking goober and anyone that has kept their eyes on the boards understands whole heartedly the moderators are not pro Freedom of Speech or pro Freedom at all.  But, you were raised outside of the West, you think we should appease these animals because it's "a highly political image" and they are children in a school....



Guess what, that's the point, you are sheltered as fuck, so sad.  I am pretty certain you are anti gun too, while being pro hiding comics of violent extremists, how the fuck anyone can figure that out is beyond me.  Total disaster.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: PreparationH]
    #27025883 - 11/06/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

LOLOL. That's an awesome response man. I love the way you've so wonderfully captured my entire personality and predicated this deep understanding of who I am based on some tiny fragments of my experiences on psychedelics when I was in the darkest period of my life, my upbringing, and my beliefs, before labeling me a goober (must be some American thing, pretty lame insult for a grown man to use) and judging me a disaster.

By all rights that post deserved s ban, but I won't enforce it just in case you feel capable of wowing me with some more of your particular insights.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025929 - 11/07/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Asante by following your logic, i think we should stop condemning violence and intolerance against gays. You know, with 1.6 billion muslims in the world and, and 6.5 billion heteros. They should stop flaunting their sexuality, back in to the closet y´all. Any violence against gays is totally understandable. You dont walk around starting to poke a hornets nest with SIX.FIVE BILLION HORNETS!!!

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    #27025934 - 11/07/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Moroccans are the most marginalized, most openly discriminated againast minority of The Netherlands, kinda like African Americans in the South.

The group does not thrive and all this discrimination makes it much worse and polarizes and stigmatizes even further.





Yeah well thats just the way the world works, dont you know Asante? They are not integrating as a minority. You can be all angry about it, but its the way it works. Its simple really. As a moroccan you cant just run around not integrating, and expect to get paid for it. If you live in a country as a minority and purposefully dont integrate, what do you expect? Its like running around poking a hornets nest WITH 17 MILLION HORNETS!

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    #27025936 - 11/07/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Moroccans are the most marginalized, most openly discriminated againast minority of The Netherlands, kinda like African Americans in the South.

The group does not thrive and all this discrimination makes it much worse and polarizes and stigmatizes even further.





Yeah well thats just the way the world works, dont you know Asante? Its not how i want it to be. But they are not integrating as a minority. You can be all angry about it, but its the way it works. Its simple really. As a moroccan you cant just run around not integrating, and expect to get paid for it. If you live in a country as a minority and purposefully dont integrate, what do you expect? Its like running around poking a hornets nest WITH 17 MILLION HORNETS!

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    #27025944 - 11/07/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe you have more context.





He doesnt.

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    #27026034 - 11/07/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is terrible. Its like posting some swastika in a synagogue and going whats everyone so mad about? Its simply disrespectful and any sort of didactic value can be obtained thru other more respectful means. Public schools must be respectful of all religious beliefs. This would never fly in the USA.


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    #27026056 - 11/07/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Please poke the hive as hard as you like, but not my hive.

Everything about what happened shows that the teacher made a grave error in judgement and that he and all of society pays for his lapse in judgement.

He totally failed to handle that situation well.

Complete didactic failure as evidenced by what happened.

If you defend it, its solely based on anti Islam sentiments, and not because of any sort of criteria that belong with a good class.

You and Tripsurfer delight in how hard the muslim community got kicked and get riled up at their outrage - completely against the interest of the students and the school.

Look - a teacher hangs the cartoon in class. A group of Islamic GIRLS approaches him and insists he takes it down because its blasphemy, after a long discussion he does so, but one of the girls spaps a pic and puts it on the social media and then a bunch of INTERNET DEATH THREATS results.

Yay. Go freedom. Zomg social media death threats if its from the Internet it must be serious!

This is a bunch of fucking bullshit that could have been prevented by THE TEACHER NOT HANGING THE CARTOON IN THE FIRST PLACE, or first preparing the class, then showing the image, debating the image and putting the image away.

You know, like a TEACHER.


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    #27026087 - 11/07/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This particular case is not about GIRLS or CHILDREN, they are 18 year old women.

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    #27026092 - 11/07/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So you would discourage gay couples walking hand in hand in, lets say, Amsterdam? Violent attacks against them have been rampant in the last couple of years. By your logic, they should just accept that, and pretend to be hetero again? You, as a gay guy, would advise other gay couples to go in hiding?

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    #27026119 - 11/07/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So you would discourage gay couples walking hand in hand in, lets say, Amsterdam? Violent attacks against them have been rampant in the last couple of years. By your logic, they should just accept that, and pretend to be hetero again? You, as a gay guy, would advise other gay couples to go in hiding?

Greets Tom





Everybody can do what they choose for in this regard. If they want to take the risk that they are viciously assaulted and have every tooth kicked out of their mouth for visual gay display in public, more power and great respect for them.

But I won't do it. I conform to the reality of the possibility of violence and keep such behaviors indoors. I'm not going to put my love on display.

Excuse me Asante, do you let the assholes win by not risking getting your face kicked in for displaying a gratuitous indiscreet show of affection?

No, I win by not getting my face getting kicked in. I leave activism to gay sociopath couples seeking an excuse, gay martial artists and armed gays willing to provoke a response from the gaybashers and gore them instead. I must confess I go Yay Home Team when that happens.

But its not going to be me. I'm not going to risk my potential lover or myself.

How far do you want to go? I'm not willing to provoke street thugs. I will take every effort to straight up murder them if they attack first in a serious attack, but I'm going to avoid all provocation until they stepped well far into my office of legally justifiable self defense, and then unleash a berserker rage. :mad2:

Thats my strategy, avoid confrontation at all cost then if an attempt on my life is made, committed violent aggression till death do us part. I'm not going to be cocky and seek the fight but I will apply bone-breaking and lethal force if you're serious about attacking me.

I don't want any violence but if I'm under serious attack I will use maximal force.

No, I'm a gay of the 70s and 80s where fagbashing was a common cultural phenomenon in Holland, and then it went away and now its back again, so I adjust accordingly and become more discreet in public.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026123 - 11/07/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wow Europe sounds messed up af. What are you guys gonna do when u have to face some of the new modern challenges like the US is seeing right now?


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    #27026130 - 11/07/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

New modern challenges like the rest of the world no longer buying your government debt and financing your deficit so you guys are off the world teat and have to fend for yourself like any other country?


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    #27026141 - 11/07/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thats not exactly how it works but ok. You act like i dont know Europe's economy is literally in the shitter right now. Infact I think all the low countries run per capita national debts several magnitudes larger than the united states. The difference being the united states consistently produces things for the world besides fucking tulips.  But no I meant like the whole racism and bigotry thing.


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    #27026156 - 11/07/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The difference being the united states consistently produces things for the world besides fucking tulips.





Uhuh..

Holland, the tiny flyshit speck on the map, is the world's second largest exporting food producer after you guys. Just that tiny little country.

The Rotterdam harbor is one of the main supply routes to Europe.

We are BIG in trade and innovation.

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    #27026163 - 11/07/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Meh u guys have done some innovation stuff in science and things. I just think u guys have alot of similar problems over there that have reared up yet and because everyone is European over there stuff tends to get pretty ridiculous. I'm just saying the track record with political and race stuff isn't exactly the best.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27026165 - 11/07/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't defend silencing speach




As a teacher you're supposed to be competent in bringing forth the desired effect in your students.

He failed.




The dutch society failed to stand up and protect his freedom of speach, just as they have failed to protect your ability to display your affection in public. It is a failure to condemn violent acts like beheading in the name of religion.

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    #27026174 - 11/07/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The dutch society failed to stand up and protect his freedom of speach




They are.

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they have failed to protect your ability to display your affection in public.




They are working on that

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It is a failure to condemn violent acts like beheading in the name of religion.




They don't.

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Silence is violence.




Out of context.


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    #27026178 - 11/07/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This would be considered hate speech a malicious display in a public classroom would thereby be an infringement of certain human rights from freedom of religious persecution, equality, and the right to freely pursue happiness in whatever way you so chose.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27026186 - 11/07/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am sincerely not trolling. Silencing those who wish to discuss a political cartoon because the muslims will behead you is tacit support of their threat of violence.

Now you are dismissing me and attempting to throw shade. :elderno:

I proudly and gladly will stand up for your rights asante and I will denounce violent extreemist of any sect. No one should live in fear.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27026206 - 11/07/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I dont see the supposed ´trolling´ either. Kind of weaksauce Asante.

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    #27026336 - 11/07/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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LOLOL. That's an awesome response man. I love the way you've so wonderfully captured my entire personality and predicated this deep understanding of who I am based on some tiny fragments of my experiences on psychedelics when I was in the darkest period of my life, my upbringing, and my beliefs, before labeling me a goober (must be some American thing, pretty lame insult for a grown man to use) and judging me a disaster.

By all rights that post deserved s ban, but I won't enforce it just in case you feel capable of wowing me with some more of your particular insights.

I'm all yours brother, please, give me all you've got. You surely have more?

I'll grant you total immunity for the next 24 hours.

Tear me a new one.



I didn't expect it to have that sort of power, I was joking and I am sorry you were in the worst part of your life, I was expecting you to fuck around back I didn't mean to break you.



My bad.  The pub rules are garbage btw and the best posters fucked off into private journals to avoid censorship but... wait a minute... you support censorship, you just said so yourself by claiming you ought to enforce these goofy censorship rules of this site... what a conundrum. :rofl:





I am purposely being abrasive as fuck I'm not really like this irl lol :trollhide: .  But I support hanging a pic of mohammed in classrooms, time to grow up and enter the twenty first century if that bothers someone, that's their problem.


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    #27026345 - 11/07/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Silencing those who wish to discuss a political cartoon because the muslims will behead you




I'm silencing no one. If you want to run the risk to meet a violent end in this way, go right ahead.

I'm silencing no free speech, I'm just saying that there are people who do so with lethal force, that I personally don't feel the urge to run the risk, and that I feel that a teacher's duties towards his students trump his ability to say or do what he likes.

He COMPLETELY misjudged that situation with detrimental effects to the students, the school, society at large and he is in police hiding paid by the taxpayer.

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    #27026356 - 11/07/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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This particular case is not about GIRLS or CHILDREN, they are 18 year old women.





People would call them innocent girls and barely children if I at 47 were to date em :awetongue:


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    #27026361 - 11/07/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What exactly are these ´detrimental effects´ you speak of?
Snowflakes getting butthurt, and turning into violent snowflakes, is all im getting.

We got jails for fools like that.
Putting them in jails, would be a blessing for society.
So actually the teacher did society a favor: exposing a cancerous component of society.

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This particular case is not about GIRLS or CHILDREN, they are 18 year old women.





People would call them innocent girls and barely children if I at 47 were to date em :awetongue:




Now who is the troll here :stoned:

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    #27026379 - 11/07/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.




Adaptation could legitimize that which is fucked up. Wouldn't you agree to that Asante?

self-censoring, in order not to create tension, is the easiest way out. But in the long run I think there is a risk that only the censoring will be remembered. If everyone would agree to this self-censoring, then it would become more and more taboo, regardless of where and when, to portray Muslims as satire. I don't think that's a good outcome. That would legitimize their belief. Their belief should be question and never accepted (the belief that it's not okay to create satire with their prophet).

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    #27026382 - 11/07/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What exactly are these ´detrimental effects´ you speak of?
Snowflakes getting butthurt, and turning into violent snowflakes, is all im getting.





You're the snowflake getting butthurt over this cause between the lines you got a bone to pick with Muslims and you kinda enjoy that this happened.

Detrimental effects?

-teacher is in hiding
-police protection
-taxpayer pays
-school is being discredited
-chasm between muslims and non muslim increases
-societal unrest
-feeding of racism while starving tolerance
-students lost their teacher
-students are more at odds with each others
-racists see their xenophobia justified
-news space taken away from other events
-more anger and anxiety in the nation

Your butthurt with Muslims spawned this thread, you cultivate anti islamic sentiments on the boards cause hey, we are not divided enough.

"snowflakes getting butthurt" <--- I know your tribe, this is the language of your people.


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    #27026387 - 11/07/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And its all the teachers fault for having hung a cartoon for 5 years in his classroom, which he used in his classes about satire for 5 years without any problem. A cartoon not specified as anti muslim but anti extrimists. Anti violence. An award winning cartoon even.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27026390 - 11/07/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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An award winning cartoon even.




And the satire community totally has no bias right?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #27026407 - 11/07/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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And its all the teachers fault for having hung a cartoon for 5 years in his classroom, which he used in his classes about satire for 5 years without any problem. A cartoon not specified as anti muslim but anti extrimists. Anti violence. An award winning cartoon even.

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Maybe this is just one of those things I don't "get" but isn't the point of political cartoons like this to piss off that base? I mean, the cartoon isn't exactly humorous. There's no joke, there's no punchline, it's just..."You can cut off our heads but neenerneenerneener you'll never break our spirit" kind of a thing? Am I reading it correctly?

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    #27026423 - 11/07/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"hahaha you can cut off our head and we will continue insulting you"


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #27026497 - 11/07/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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And its all the teachers fault for having hung a cartoon for 5 years in his classroom, which he used in his classes about satire for 5 years without any problem. A cartoon not specified as anti muslim but anti extrimists. Anti violence. An award winning cartoon even.

Greets Tom




Maybe this is just one of those things I don't "get" but isn't the point of political cartoons like this to piss off that base? I mean, the cartoon isn't exactly humorous. There's no joke, there's no punchline, it's just..."You can cut off our heads but neenerneenerneener you'll never break our spirit" kind of a thing? Am I reading it correctly?

It's purposely not a joke, but a jab.




It was made as an answer to the Charlie Hebdo killings.

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    #27026706 - 11/07/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026781 - 11/07/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Do you feel that the teacher had the right to post that picture in his classroom?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #27026815 - 11/07/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

He had the right to teach class in an SS uniform.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27026825 - 11/07/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

He has the right to freedom of hate speech just as others have a right to freedom of violent action. A teacher was just beheaded in France a few weeks ago for doing just this very thing. Its either blatant hate speech or simply grossly negligent to the danger the students are now in jeopardy of. Either way it does not belong in a public classroom.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27026829 - 11/07/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think he had a 'right' to do it.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026831 - 11/07/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I feel he took a chance having that cartoon displayed, but the only people it should offend are muslim radicals, not muslims as a whole.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27026862 - 11/07/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I feel he took a chance having that cartoon displayed, but the only people it should offend are muslim radicals, not muslims as a whole.





Thats not the only effect though, I listed a whole list of detrimental consequences of his taking a chance. A teacher should take better care.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026877 - 11/07/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why would it be poor care to show the image?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: ModularMind]
    #27026891 - 11/07/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think we absolutely should actively point out and discredit philosophies and perspectives of violence and hate. The teacher is better than most for posting that picture and starting a discussion rather than treating everything with kid gloves.

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    #27026942 - 11/07/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would it be poor care to show the image?
You make no sense what so ever.





What makes no sense whatsoever to you is reality. It completely went to shit for him, for his school, for his students and for the nation. Reality evidences that he messed up.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27026953 - 11/07/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think they should teach kids how to cook, build, solve problems, maintain finances, have confidence, and that bad people and shit ideologies exist


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27026954 - 11/07/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would it be poor care to show the image?
You make no sense what so ever.





What makes no sense whatsoever to you is reality. It completely went to shit for him, for his school, for his students and for the nation. Reality evidences that he messed up.




I'll just copy what I've already said:

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The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.




Adaptation could legitimize that which is fucked up. Wouldn't you agree to that Asante?

self-censoring, in order not to create tension, is the easiest way out. But in the long run I think there is a risk that only the censoring will be remembered. If everyone would agree to this self-censoring, then it would become more and more taboo, regardless of where and when, to portray Muslims as satire. I don't think that's a good outcome. That would legitimize their belief. Their belief should be question and never accepted (the belief that it's not okay to create satire with their prophet).

The only reasonable future is a future where everyone can take a joke and criticism without getting butt-hurt and enticing violence.
The only reasonable actions in the moment, are those who lead to this future.




Apart from that, let me quote what Bodisatta just wrote:

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I think we absolutely should actively point out and discredit philosophies and perspectives of violence and hate. The teacher is better than most for posting that picture and starting a discussion rather than treating everything with kid gloves.




Off course his actions led to problems for him.
People who stood up against Hitler also got a shit-storm headed in their direction at one point in history.
I still think they did the right thing...


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27027278 - 11/07/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The whole exercise was a test or audit of Muslim reactions and many failed the test. They have to be smart enough to know it's a test and not show any negative reaction. To suggest that people shouldn't throw out the bait to get a reaction are just denying the obvious. It's not the bait that's the problem, it's the failure of the test result. In this case, the all too common offense of the cartoon. 

If people want to live in a secular culture and enjoy all the benefits that comes with that reality, they can't cherry pick what aspects they're going to find offensive in nature. In other words, if you can't handle your religion getting mocked in public, get the fuck out of that secular culture and move on.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: qman]
    #27027347 - 11/07/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is a case of the right thing to do and the smart thing to do.

The right thing would be to realize that regardless of context, aside from a historical/religious, or an artistic perspective, related to the class that is being taken.

The right thing is to acknowledge the teacher's freedom of speech.

The right thing to do is to put this entire "someone got upset about this" thing on the fact that it was there for5years, which is the fault of the school's management. Like the administration has to have been able to see the drawing, the whole time, and mention that it is not compliant with separation of church and state. If the superintendent, principle, or anyone above the teacher has allowed this, it's ultimately their oversight and that is bad management.

The smart thing is complete damage control. We live in a world of school shooters. Wars across countries over religion. How PC the current culture is. How quickly people choose to start a witch hunt and riots, banning, killing, etc. Over a cause.

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    #27027560 - 11/07/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

These anti free speech people blow my mind.  Mohammed fucked a 13 year old girl, they're pedo worshipers.


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Ummm pretty much everyone fucked 13 yesr olds up until like 100 years ago. Hell for most of human history people only lived to be like fucking 40 or something dumb. Ur just being prejudice and know little about islam


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    #27027695 - 11/07/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #27027704 - 11/07/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not defending pedophilia this member is disparaging an entire religion without providing any historical background or context. Its simply meant to be hateful and Islamophobic.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27027722 - 11/07/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, I am so afraid of Islam, terrified.  Lmao, do you just like throwing these buzz words around or do you actually believe people who disagree with their pedo bullshit
are afraid of islam(you keep calling it a phobia, right?)  Go defend the pedo religion elsewhere, take Christianity up with you while you're at it, they are probably the largest child fuck ring on Earth anyways. 


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    #27027725 - 11/07/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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These anti free speech people blow my mind.  Mohammed fucked a 13 year old girl, they're pedo worshipers.




Aisha was 9 years old when said Muhammed started using her.
In modern days it is used as preference for quick marriages(prostitution run by scholars of islam) in how old can girl be rented for use. But remember only use asshole, save virgin pussy for the prober marrage.

This is the reason I think islam should not be allowed to be integrated in western society.

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    #27027762 - 11/07/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sodomy and lustful acts arent kosher in Islam are u joking? It isn't taught in Christianity for that matter either. I dont think Christians don't teach about pedophilia either. So yeah that statement is extremely prejudice ignorant and hateful.


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    #27027827 - 11/08/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No Im not joking.

And yes im aware that sodomy is forbidden in koran but hey who does not like some sodomy now and then:shrug:
All so loophole(pun intended)generally used by muslim girls to save virginity of pussy to marriage.

Suras back this up. Good documentary about this in yle if you want to see?

https://areena.yle.fi/1-50356302

Might be hard to watch outside eu, and is vpn blocked but you get the name of the documentary here.

Edit: Iraq´s Secret Sex Trade. Tuotanto: BBC Arabic, Britannia, 2019.

Edit2: it is halal/haram in islam. not kosher.


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    #27027914 - 11/08/20 04:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Now all of a sudden people who feel that the teacher did the wrong thing are shoved into the corner of anti free speech people and pedophile apologists.

No, a teacher doesn't have free speech in that he can be freely offensive at will in his classroom and no, Islam is not defined by the age of one of the wives of the prophet, but its all about the God himself. People really love the prophet but only because he brought the word of God.

This is sickening. So confederate flags and having the students swear the hitler youth oath is ok too because freedom of speech? And suppressing people defending islam with accusations of pedophilia is freedom of speech too?

What about the freedom to excercise your religion in peace without people going out to offend you by your teachers caricaturing you as head choppers and people calling you pedophile worshippers?

You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.

SHE IS A WITCH! DONT LISTEN TO ANYTHING SHE SAYS! BURN HER!

Thats what freedom of speech has become, the freedom to be antisocial and unleash the hounds on anyone who's speech you don't like.

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    #27027918 - 11/08/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why are you only responding to posts that are easily contradicted?
I have asked you questions and posted reasonable arguments, but you choose to only respond to the childish "pedo-support" morons etc. instead?

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    #27027929 - 11/08/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Ummm pretty much everyone fucked 13 yesr olds up until like 100 years ago. Hell for most of human history people only lived to be like fucking 40 or something dumb. Ur just being prejudice and know little about islam



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    #27027930 - 11/08/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.




Adaptation could legitimize that which is fucked up. Wouldn't you agree to that Asante?





Have you thought about the following scenario?

At the beginning of the class the teacher tells the students to hand over their phones. He then embarks on a good introductory talk where he discusses the underlying principles, then shows the image, he explains its intent, he lets the class ask questions and moderates the classes discussion and at the end he puts the image away and veers off to another related topic?

Because thats what ANY RESPONSIBLE TEACHER WOULD HAVE DONE.

The death threats came from the social media, notb from his class. In his class several girls/women apoproached him asking him to take it down because they felt it was blasphemous.

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self-censoring, in order not to create tension, is the easiest way out.




Should a teacher teach in klan robes during black history month? Is that absolutely necessary? Should a teacher be the aggressor in his class and improve the world by hurting some of the students and elevating others? A teacher should do whats best for the teaching of the class and for the reputation of the school and his personal safety and for the harmony in society. He failed this on all counts, not because I say so but because the reality of what happened evidenced it.


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The only reasonable future is a future where everyone can take a joke and criticism without getting butt-hurt and enticing violence.




I disagree, that's lopsided. The only reasonable future is one where the cunts stop being cunts and the pussies become less of a pussy. Both the cunt and the pussy must take a step towards being a proper vagina. If you tell the pussies to take the full brunt of the attacks of the cunts we inevitably end up with a world full of cunts, and after that being a cunt is not enough and you got to be a hard cunt.

See what I'm saying? The people who shout "pedophile worshippers" need to take a step down from their high horse and people readily offended should strive to be less offendable.

We should meet IN THE MIDDLE and not leave all the adaptation to one side only under the fake twoi cent guise that being a cunt is freedom of speech and objecting to cunts being cunts means you're after underage snowflake pussy.

Am I being clear?

People should not have to shut up when confronted with the worst insults an ill informed radicalized mind can cook up in order to hurt them. That is not freedom of speech for all, that is defending antisocial speech only. You know, trumper logic.


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    #27027940 - 11/08/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No, you are not clear. You are emotional. I can't even find coherence in your post. It ranges from klan robes to freedom of speech to insults to female genitalia analogies to trumper logic. I agree with some of it, but disagree completely on other parts.
MY problem is how you think the different parts of your post are connected. I Don't get it. And you seem more interested in proclaiming people who don't agree with you are stupid/cunts/trumpers, rather than explaining your stance coherently.

My best guess is that our difference of opinion is based on our different views on what the image stands for.
For you it seems to stand for hate towards Muslims.
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    #27027946 - 11/08/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not emotional, I'm just using emotionally charged words that you seem to have gotten lost in. You're having a hard time getting the metaphors I spoke in, let me say it without metaphors:

The only reasonable future is where both side are more civil towards one another.

The offenders step down from being so offensive and the offended stop being so offended.

You have to meet in the middle.

People who are against something shouldnt use every possible tactic to attack and offend those who are in favor of it, and people who are for something shouldnt translate their offense into physical violence.

As your lack of comprehension of my former post demonstrates: if people start using highly charged imagery and wordings, other people lose track of what the other tries to say.

That is the exact same as the effect the cartoon had. People were so upset with the image that it escaped them what the message of it was.

So, we're going to be more respectful to one another in the future and be less at each others throats, be it with an offensive approach of literary weapons or with an offensive approach of literal weapons.

The only viable future is when both sides get off their high horses and hug it out in the middle.


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    #27027950 - 11/08/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Now all of a sudden people who feel that the teacher did the wrong thing are shoved into the corner of anti free speech people and pedophile apologists.



I don’t know about this pedo thing but if you’re saying this guy’s limited rights should be curtailed, I disagree.

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No, a teacher doesn't have free speech in that he can be freely offensive at will in his classroom



These were adult level students, they should be learning to be offended.  The only people that cartoon should offend are actual terrorists.  Bending the knee to a violent faction is always a bad idea.

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and no, Islam is not defined by the age of one of the wives of the prophet,


NINE YEARS OLD.

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but its all about the God himself.


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People really love the prophet but only because he brought the word of God.


And he tells them to kill the infidels and spread islam at the point of a sword.

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This is sickening. So confederate flags and having the students swear the hitler youth oath is ok too because freedom of speech?


No.  And it’s probably illegal in holland.

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And suppressing people defending islam with accusations of pedophilia is freedom of speech too?


They do have a prophet that fucked a nine year old girl, and some of their cultures still roll like that.

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What about the freedom to excercise your religion in peace without people going out to offend



I don’t know what draconian laws you got but that is not a freedom, you do not have the right to not be offended.

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you by your teachers caricaturing you as head choppers and people calling you pedophile worshippers?


that part is kind of true

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You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis


calling everyone nazis who disagrees with you is fucking weak.  That shouldn’t even come up.  That is a dishonest attempt to shut down the conversation through use of an emotionally manipulative word.

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because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.


I still don’t know where this pedophilia thing came from but this is islam we’re talking about.  And that cartoon should only be offensive to muslim terrorists, not muslims as a whole.  If they’re offended by it, that’s a red flag on their part.

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Thats what freedom of speech has become, the freedom to be antisocial and unleash the hounds on anyone who's speech you don't like.


Now you are officially defending terrorists.

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McCarthyism and calling it freedom.


Freedom of speech is not mcarthyism, that would be more what you’re doing.


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    #27027977 - 11/08/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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These were adult level students, they should be learning to be offended.  The only people that cartoon should offend are actual terrorists.  Bending the knee to a violent faction is always a bad idea.




Thats two shoulds in what the Other should do. I have one Should: The teacher should not have handled it in this way. The reality of what happened proved me right. And it was a clique of girls arguing the picture was blasphemous and should be taken down. The death threats came from the social media. Everyone gets death threats on the social media. I know I have.

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NINE YEARS OLD.




It was customary in the region at the time to have child brides. Guess what, the ones who wrote the American Constitution were slave owners. It was customary in the region at the time to have black slaves. Does that mean the Constitution is a piece of shit? Of course not! Does Gandhi's disdain for black people and lying with underage girls nullify his great achievement of using nonviolence to liberate India from the British? Of course not! As Cheif said: you have to see things in the context and time they happened.

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I don’t know what draconian laws you got but that is not a freedom




This is Article 1 of the Dutch constitution:

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All persons in the Netherlands shall be treated equally in equal circumstances. Discrimination on the grounds of religion, belief, political opinion, race or sex or on any other grounds whatsoever shall not be permitted.




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    #27028022 - 11/08/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes discrimination is the correct action. You discriminate against nazis and neo Nazis I'm sure.
You can't hide behind freedom of religion when you chop people's head off because of satire. If 0.00001% of people in your club start doing bad shit and base it on the clubs teachings then society has a job to shut that the fuck down.


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    #27028025 - 11/08/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Asante for real you think it is ok to integrate religion that clearly states that pedofilia and stoning homosexuals is ok as part of western society?

PC culture has gone too far and it is really sad that most people are too afraid to say it out in open.
Everything has not have to been tolerated IMHO.
Like stoning homos or pimping little girls.
You must try to understand people though, even more if they have been brainwashed and indoctorined to religius systems and cultural values and behaving models sinse birth.

But saying that this is ok is far from ok in my opinion.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27028026 - 11/08/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This just in: a majority of shroomerites would not support article 1 of the dutch constitution, saying that discrimination based on political belief is a-ok with them.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27026209#27026209

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    #27028028 - 11/08/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Imagine defending trump supporters that do violence because you can't discriminate against political ideology. Alright asante you gotta start defending kyle Rittenhouse as best you can we shouldn't see anything bad about him.

we're denouncing kyles actions and his ideology that lead him to those actions.
Are we only allowed to denounce his actions and not his ideology?
I don't see anything wrong with a picture of a burning maga or trump flag. 
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    #27028061 - 11/08/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The only reasonable future is where both side are more civil towards one another.




Well that depends what you mean by "sides".
If The far right starts to burn pictures of black people in public places, should the other "side" be civil towards them?


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The offenders step down from being so offensive and the offended stop being so offended.




Yea, sure. But a image saying: "We will not stop advocating free speech when you try to silence us with violence" isn't offensive. Sure, it's provocative against radical Muslims, but being provocative against radicals is not something we should refrain from...

Showing pictures of gays kissing is provocative to christian fundamentalists, should we stop that as well? Off course not. Idiots will be provoked by all kinds of things, just because something is offensive, does not mean it should be removed. You have to look at WHY it is offensive...

So WHY, and to who is this image offensive?



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As your lack of comprehension of my former post demonstrates: if people start using highly charged imagery and wordings, other people lose track of what the other tries to say.




Your inability to communicate coherently demonstrates that misunderstandings occur?
I won't argue with that.


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The only viable future is when both sides get off their high horses and hug it out in the middle.




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    #27028063 - 11/08/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think christians that hate fags should have to see pictures of gay people kissing every day. If you have an ideology that breeds hate you should be challenged on your ideas by society every single day. If you want peace than stay out of society with ass backwards opinions.

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    #27028273 - 11/08/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.





I think with the cartoon in question the offense was taken to having countrymen have their head cut off by refugees you welcomed in yourself, not as much as anything to do with what they said.


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So freedom of speech is only applicable in theory, but not real world application?  That's the mindset of most conservatives- enjoy your freedoms, but make sure you never use it because someone might find it offensive.

Again, if you don't like living in a secular society and the potential for someone's freedom of speech to be highly offensive to oneself, it's time to get the fuck out of that society.


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    #27028294 - 11/08/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.





I think with the cartoon in question the offense was taken to having countrymen have their head cut off by refugees you welcomed in yourself, not as much as anything to do with what they said.




It's a twisted mindset to welcome people with little tolerance of others and then bend over backwards to make sure they're not offended by the freedoms of the native citizens. :facepalm:


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    #27028300 - 11/08/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why cant religious zealots, like those kids, understand that if their fake god really is so mighty, it wouldnt be bothered by insult.
Small minded zealots.

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    #27028335 - 11/08/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And by the way, what was blasphemous about the cartoon in question?

Its not racist either, muslims as far as i know are´nt a race.
Maybe the pictured killer was Hispanic. Then you could take the racism route...

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    #27028801 - 11/08/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah you know not everyone shares your same views on religion and in a proper free society you have to be respectful of thier views. What you posted stereotypes an entire creed and religion. The killer isn't Hispanic theres only one thing that picture is meant to be and thats to stereotype Muslims as violent extremists and spead hate.


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    #27028956 - 11/08/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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theres only one thing that picture is meant to be




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Its not racist





Its not racist, it just depicts a bearded Arab who just severed a head with a scimitar.

Its not racist, it just depicts a little black kid with an enormous slice of watermelon.


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    #27028975 - 11/08/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Now all of a sudden people who feel that the teacher did the wrong thing are shoved into the corner of anti free speech people and pedophile apologists.



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    #27028976 - 11/08/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Again my problem isn't with the free expression here. I fully support your right to be a disrespectful asshole or racist if you so choose. But its the malicious display on a public classroom during a time when the issue has once again become violently tumultuous. It simply shouldn't be allowed to occur in a public classroom. Hebdo himself should be free to publish whatever he likes as a private citizen.


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theres only one thing that picture is meant to be




Why do you think that? How are you sure it wasn't just in reference to the specific sort of incident it depicts?




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    #27029002 - 11/08/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah you know not everyone shares your same views on religion and in a proper free society you have to be respectful of thier views. What you posted stereotypes an entire creed and religion. The killer isn't Hispanic theres only one thing that picture is meant to be and thats to stereotype Muslims as violent extremists and spead hate.




No, in an open and free secular society, I'm allowed to criticize other belief systems without legal or violent intimidation's. If groups of people can't handle those criticisms, they need to get the fuck out of those open and free secular society's.


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this thread reeks of anti European culture
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Yeah you know not everyone shares your same views on religion and in a proper free society you have to be respectful of thier views. What you posted stereotypes an entire creed and religion. The killer isn't Hispanic theres only one thing that picture is meant to be and thats to stereotype Muslims as violent extremists and spead hate.




No, in an open and free secular society, I'm allowed to criticize other belief systems without legal or violent intimidation's. If groups of people can't handle those criticisms, they need to get the fuck out of those open and free secular society's.




Right. This is a value of free western society. If incidents the arise out of said value cause you to want to murder the citizens of the host nation that offered you refuge...
well, I don't see how you can defend that reaction and still proclaim to be egalitarian.


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Its not racist





Its not racist, it just depicts a bearded Arab who just severed a head with a scimitar.

Its not racist, it just depicts a little black kid with an enormous slice of watermelon.


Bullshit, of course its racist.




If it is blasphemous, as the school girls allege, then it depicts a specific person, the prophet.

Watermelons are from Africa and an awesome summertime tradition. It is only racist when viewed through a western european colonial or white privileged american lens. A more modern inclusive person would consider an image of a black child with a slice of watermelon as a celebration of american black slave culture's west african roots.


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Asante said:
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Its not racist





Its not racist, it just depicts a bearded Arab who just severed a head with a scimitar.

Its not racist, it just depicts a little black kid with an enormous slice of watermelon.


Bullshit, of course its racist.




If it is blasphemous, as the school girls allege, then it depicts a specific person, the prophet.

Watermelons are from Africa and an awesome summertime tradition. It is only racist when viewed through a western european colonial or white privileged american lens. A more modern inclusive person would consider an image of a black child with a slice of watermelon as a celebration of american black slave culture's west african roots.




It would be a sad day if watermelon and fried chicken are considered to be only allowed for black people because it would be cultural appropriation for anybody else to eat. I never understood how either could be racist even though that stereotype has been around for decades, if not centuries. The concept of racist food is ridiculous, I wonder how that even got started?


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    #27029600 - 11/09/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Asante you are expressing an old view of racism in which (white) people push aside the painful history, deny and shame cultural uniqueness in an attempt to be colorblind. Again I am sincerely trying to change your perspective.

I know you meant to invoke the historical derogatory cartoons which caricatured black people, but you said a cartoon of a black child with a big slice of watermelon.

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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype. I am glad, however, that was of no concern to my mother decades ago. As she sat in her cream-colored ensemble on a blanket under the Georgia summer sun, the photo captured her nurturing the life inside her with the same fruit co-opted by the racism that took the lives of so many others. As such, though I still dislike the melon, my watermelon birthmark is a badge of pride and a stare of defiance at the stereotype that continues to sprinkle salt in the wound of racism.





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Asante you are expressing an old view of racism





No, this in your own quote is the reality of today:

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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype.




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    #27029692 - 11/09/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah wait maybe sugarbean is right. Why are we letting racists or historical context tell us how to view watermelons. I think if we really tried we can reclaim watermelon and save it. We're taking it back!


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Thats up to black people.

We can't tell them to be less uncomfortable by something they were discriminated with for generations. Then you are again the white man dictating how they should feel and think about things that concern them, which they obviously had more of enough of.

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    #27029711 - 11/09/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well look at you. Telling me I can't do something because of the color of my skin.


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Yeah wait maybe sugarbean is right. Why are we letting racists or historical context tell us how to view watermelons. I think if we really tried we can reclaim watermelon and save it. We're taking it back!



It's the dumbest stereotype because watermelon and fried chicken seem to be popular with Americans just in general.


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    #27029809 - 11/09/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The whole point of my eat that watermelon and a bunch of my posts in here is what makes something derogatory is historical context set and setting. Meaning there's a time and place for comedy, comics, free speech activism, any of it but a classroom is not a teachers bully pulpit. You people seem to have very little idea of how freedom or rights actually work.


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Asante you are expressing an old view of racism





No, this in your own quote is the reality of today:

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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype.




So don't :blah: cause its all in writing and I can read.

:blah: only works with people who are easily confused.




You didn't read the whole quote nor did you read the article I linked.  You instead focused on the first sentence which actually illustrates my point.

I am going to requote and bold the important part in the hopes you get it.

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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype. I am glad, however, that was of no concern to my mother decades ago. As she sat in her cream-colored ensemble on a blanket under the Georgia summer sun, the photo captured her nurturing the life inside her with the same fruit co-opted by the racism that took the lives of so many others. As such, though I still dislike the melon, my watermelon birthmark is a badge of pride and a stare of defiance at the stereotype that continues to sprinkle salt in the wound of racism.





Believing that a black children shouldnt eat watermelon is racist. Continueing to harp on the stereotype and insisting that any depiction of black people eating watermelon is racist is in fact perpetuating the exact thing that the racist motherfuckers who made that cartoon wanted you to think.

You dont even know the history that freed black slaves grew water melons as a means of self sufficiency and that the white racist made those cartoons becuase they wanted to disuade people from buying watermelons.

Imagine telling your children not to eat watermelon because you are afraid that you are perpetuating a stereotype, denying them the simple summer pleasure. That is racist as fuck, you may as well tell them to get back on the plantation.

Eating watermelon and being defiantely proud of it as a black person is a statement against racism. 

I am honestly hurt by your defensive response and accusations. Fuck you asante the closest you ever got to learning about being brown is the shit in your toilet.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27030487 - 11/09/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Believing that a black children shouldnt eat watermelon is racist.




:babypalm:

I don't live in a land where the president talked nonstop gibberish for 4 years.

I said nothing to the effect that black children shouldnt eat watermelon.

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    #27030502 - 11/09/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You still didnt read the article that was written by a black person did you?

I am done replying to your trolls, asante, you know nothing about race in modern america and that is clear. Maybe stick to dutch stuff.


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    #27031147 - 11/10/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Just to try to understand you:

cartoons are violence

Greets Tom





OK TomNL, this is Youtube speaking...

The photo is Geert Wilders

The guy says "This is Freedom of Expression"





Of course you will defend his freedom of expression in this satire and I'm still completely unrealistic in that nothing ontoward would happen if Geert became prime minister.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27031222 - 11/10/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why are you still cherry picking what you choose to answer Asante?
What is your train of thought, "SHIT, I cant argue with that, lets ignore it"?

And by the way, if anyone is sitting on a high horse in this thread, it's you.


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    #27031266 - 11/10/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Well that depends what you mean by "sides".
If The far right starts to burn pictures of black people in public places, should the other "side" be civil towards them?




I don't see any reason why you can't burn photographs, flags and uniforms.

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Yea, sure. But a image saying: "We will not stop advocating free speech when you try to silence us with violence" isn't offensive. Sure, it's provocative against radical Muslims, but being provocative against radicals is not something we should refrain from...

Showing pictures of gays kissing is provocative to christian fundamentalists, should we stop that as well? Off course not. Idiots will be provoked by all kinds of things, just because something is offensive, does not mean it should be removed. You have to look at WHY it is offensive...

So WHY, and to who is this image offensive?




Should. You are telling people that they shouldnt be offended and that it isn't offensive. Try, to quote the Tourettesguy, try walking a mile in their shit.

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Your inability to communicate coherently demonstrates that misunderstandings occur?
I won't argue with that.




You have for whatever reason an inability to understand metaphor that other people have no trouble understanding. I think its an evasive debate tactic but I could be wrong.


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    The only viable future is when both sides get off their high horses and hug it out in the middle


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Like you are doing?




Exactly like I am advocating in the very sentence yoiu try to turn against me.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27031669 - 11/10/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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tomnl said:
Just to try to understand you:

cartoons are violence

Greets Tom





OK TomNL, this is Youtube speaking...

The photo is Geert Wilders

The guy says "This is Freedom of Expression"





Of course you will defend his freedom of expression in this satire and I'm still completely unrealistic in that nothing ontoward would happen if Geert became prime minister.


You're welcome :mypleasure:




That’s not satire.  By US standards of freedom of speech that is a possible threat, and possibly not protected.  What that had to do with muslim terrorists, I don't know.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #27031672 - 11/10/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Possibly not protected?

I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?


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    #27031695 - 11/10/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Possibly not protected?

I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?




As far I know, you can't yell "FIRE" or stuff like that in a way to incite panic or violence. If you tell someone "I'm going to kill you", that is considered a threat and is not protected under free speech.


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    #27031990 - 11/10/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Now you are comparing someone who hangs a drawing in his classroom, against someone who empty a gun on someones photo, happening to be a politician operating inside a democracy. Hmmmm you are really grasping here.
I feel like you are now purposefully destroying the discussion.

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    #27032075 - 11/10/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Possibly not protected?

I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?



If you show intent of physical harm that is illegal.  That video could fall under criminal threat. 

It would all depend on the lawyer.


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The video has been put in front of a judge now.

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    #27033362 - 11/11/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Well that depends what you mean by "sides".
If The far right starts to burn pictures of black people in public places, should the other "side" be civil towards them?




I don't see any reason why you can't burn photographs, flags and uniforms.

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Yea, sure. But a image saying: "We will not stop advocating free speech when you try to silence us with violence" isn't offensive. Sure, it's provocative against radical Muslims, but being provocative against radicals is not something we should refrain from...

Showing pictures of gays kissing is provocative to christian fundamentalists, should we stop that as well? Off course not. Idiots will be provoked by all kinds of things, just because something is offensive, does not mean it should be removed. You have to look at WHY it is offensive...

So WHY, and to who is this image offensive?




You are telling people that they should'nt be offended and that it isn't offensive. Try, to quote the Tourettesguy, try walking a mile in their shit.





No. I'm trying to have a conversation with you and I asked you why the image should be considered offensive, and if so to whom. I think, as I already pointed out earlier, that your perception and my differs on specifically this point. Hence it seems reasonable to look at this a bit deeper. It was an actual question and I am curious what your answer is.

From my perspective only radical Muslims who agree with terrorist acts would consider the image offensive. And in that case the "try walking a mile in their shit", makes no sense what so ever.


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You have for whatever reason an inability to understand metaphor that other people have no trouble understanding. I think its an evasive debate tactic but I could be wrong.





I understand the metaphors, I just don't understand how they are arguments for what you are saying...


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Exactly like I am advocating in the very sentence yoiu try to turn against me.





No, I'm not trying to turn that sentence against you. I'm saying that the sentence is weird coming from a guy who himself seems to be seated on quite a large horse... And that viewpoint is not based on THAT sentence, it is based on your other comments and posts in this thread.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27033383 - 11/11/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"From my perspective only radical Muslims who agree with terrorist acts would consider the image offensive. And in that case the "try walking a mile in their shit", makes no sense what so ever."

I can see this point. On the other side, wouldn't it be best if that thought came to the head of the person displaying the cartoon (To inflame people in any way? Maybe he was trying to get conversation about the subject matter going, who knows?) and he would just reconsider and not display it?


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Possibly not protected?

I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?




As far I know, you can't yell "FIRE" or stuff like that in a way to incite panic or violence. If you tell someone "I'm going to kill you", that is considered a threat and is not protected under free speech.





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    #27042578 - 11/16/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

https://uscivilliberties.org/themes/4597-time-place-and-manner-rule.html

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