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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27028335 - 11/08/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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And by the way, what was blasphemous about the cartoon in question?
Its not racist either, muslims as far as i know are´nt a race. Maybe the pictured killer was Hispanic. Then you could take the racism route...
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] 1
#27028801 - 11/08/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah you know not everyone shares your same views on religion and in a proper free society you have to be respectful of thier views. What you posted stereotypes an entire creed and religion. The killer isn't Hispanic theres only one thing that picture is meant to be and thats to stereotype Muslims as violent extremists and spead hate.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: theres only one thing that picture is meant to be
Why do you think that? How are you sure it wasn't just in reference to the specific sort of incident it depicts?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27028965 - 11/08/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tomnl said:
Its not racist
Its not racist, it just depicts a bearded Arab who just severed a head with a scimitar.
Its not racist, it just depicts a little black kid with an enormous slice of watermelon.
Bullshit, of course its racist.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27028975 - 11/08/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: Now all of a sudden people who feel that the teacher did the wrong thing are shoved into the corner of anti free speech people and pedophile apologists.
Amazing, isn't it?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: yeah]
#27028976 - 11/08/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Again my problem isn't with the free expression here. I fully support your right to be a disrespectful asshole or racist if you so choose. But its the malicious display on a public classroom during a time when the issue has once again become violently tumultuous. It simply shouldn't be allowed to occur in a public classroom. Hebdo himself should be free to publish whatever he likes as a private citizen.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: yeah]
#27028984 - 11/08/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: theres only one thing that picture is meant to be
Why do you think that? How are you sure it wasn't just in reference to the specific sort of incident it depicts?
Stereotypical prejudice.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#27029002 - 11/08/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Yeah you know not everyone shares your same views on religion and in a proper free society you have to be respectful of thier views. What you posted stereotypes an entire creed and religion. The killer isn't Hispanic theres only one thing that picture is meant to be and thats to stereotype Muslims as violent extremists and spead hate.
No, in an open and free secular society, I'm allowed to criticize other belief systems without legal or violent intimidation's. If groups of people can't handle those criticisms, they need to get the fuck out of those open and free secular society's.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: qman]
#27029058 - 11/08/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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this thread reeks of anti European cultureQuote:
qman said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Yeah you know not everyone shares your same views on religion and in a proper free society you have to be respectful of thier views. What you posted stereotypes an entire creed and religion. The killer isn't Hispanic theres only one thing that picture is meant to be and thats to stereotype Muslims as violent extremists and spead hate.
No, in an open and free secular society, I'm allowed to criticize other belief systems without legal or violent intimidation's. If groups of people can't handle those criticisms, they need to get the fuck out of those open and free secular society's.
Right. This is a value of free western society. If incidents the arise out of said value cause you to want to murder the citizens of the host nation that offered you refuge... well, I don't see how you can defend that reaction and still proclaim to be egalitarian.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27029086 - 11/08/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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tomnl said:
Its not racist
Its not racist, it just depicts a bearded Arab who just severed a head with a scimitar.
Its not racist, it just depicts a little black kid with an enormous slice of watermelon.
Bullshit, of course its racist.
If it is blasphemous, as the school girls allege, then it depicts a specific person, the prophet.
Watermelons are from Africa and an awesome summertime tradition. It is only racist when viewed through a western european colonial or white privileged american lens. A more modern inclusive person would consider an image of a black child with a slice of watermelon as a celebration of american black slave culture's west african roots.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27029243 - 11/08/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27029321 - 11/08/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said:
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Asante said:
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tomnl said:
Its not racist
Its not racist, it just depicts a bearded Arab who just severed a head with a scimitar.
Its not racist, it just depicts a little black kid with an enormous slice of watermelon.
Bullshit, of course its racist.
If it is blasphemous, as the school girls allege, then it depicts a specific person, the prophet.
Watermelons are from Africa and an awesome summertime tradition. It is only racist when viewed through a western european colonial or white privileged american lens. A more modern inclusive person would consider an image of a black child with a slice of watermelon as a celebration of american black slave culture's west african roots.
It would be a sad day if watermelon and fried chicken are considered to be only allowed for black people because it would be cultural appropriation for anybody else to eat. I never understood how either could be racist even though that stereotype has been around for decades, if not centuries. The concept of racist food is ridiculous, I wonder how that even got started?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: JizzMasterZero]
#27029558 - 11/09/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Instead of forever wondering that you could wikipedia black sterotypes and find out for yourself.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27029600 - 11/09/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante you are expressing an old view of racism in which (white) people push aside the painful history, deny and shame cultural uniqueness in an attempt to be colorblind. Again I am sincerely trying to change your perspective.
I know you meant to invoke the historical derogatory cartoons which caricatured black people, but you said a cartoon of a black child with a big slice of watermelon.
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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype. I am glad, however, that was of no concern to my mother decades ago. As she sat in her cream-colored ensemble on a blanket under the Georgia summer sun, the photo captured her nurturing the life inside her with the same fruit co-opted by the racism that took the lives of so many others. As such, though I still dislike the melon, my watermelon birthmark is a badge of pride and a stare of defiance at the stereotype that continues to sprinkle salt in the wound of racism.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27029669 - 11/09/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: Asante you are expressing an old view of racism
No, this in your own quote is the reality of today:
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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype.
So don't cause its all in writing and I can read.
only works with people who are easily confused.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27029692 - 11/09/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah wait maybe sugarbean is right. Why are we letting racists or historical context tell us how to view watermelons. I think if we really tried we can reclaim watermelon and save it. We're taking it back!
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Thats up to black people.
We can't tell them to be less uncomfortable by something they were discriminated with for generations. Then you are again the white man dictating how they should feel and think about things that concern them, which they obviously had more of enough of.
Its not up to us.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 1
#27029711 - 11/09/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well look at you. Telling me I can't do something because of the color of my skin.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Yeah wait maybe sugarbean is right. Why are we letting racists or historical context tell us how to view watermelons. I think if we really tried we can reclaim watermelon and save it. We're taking it back!
It's the dumbest stereotype because watermelon and fried chicken seem to be popular with Americans just in general.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: psi]
#27029799 - 11/09/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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watermelon makes me think of a white family on a picnic or backyard bbq
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