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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27027762 - 11/07/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sodomy and lustful acts arent kosher in Islam are u joking? It isn't taught in Christianity for that matter either. I dont think Christians don't teach about pedophilia either. So yeah that statement is extremely prejudice ignorant and hateful.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27027827 - 11/08/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No Im not joking.

And yes im aware that sodomy is forbidden in koran but hey who does not like some sodomy now and then:shrug:
All so loophole(pun intended)generally used by muslim girls to save virginity of pussy to marriage.

Suras back this up. Good documentary about this in yle if you want to see?

https://areena.yle.fi/1-50356302

Might be hard to watch outside eu, and is vpn blocked but you get the name of the documentary here.

Edit: Iraq´s Secret Sex Trade. Tuotanto: BBC Arabic, Britannia, 2019.

Edit2: it is halal/haram in islam. not kosher.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27027914 - 11/08/20 04:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Now all of a sudden people who feel that the teacher did the wrong thing are shoved into the corner of anti free speech people and pedophile apologists.

No, a teacher doesn't have free speech in that he can be freely offensive at will in his classroom and no, Islam is not defined by the age of one of the wives of the prophet, but its all about the God himself. People really love the prophet but only because he brought the word of God.

This is sickening. So confederate flags and having the students swear the hitler youth oath is ok too because freedom of speech? And suppressing people defending islam with accusations of pedophilia is freedom of speech too?

What about the freedom to excercise your religion in peace without people going out to offend you by your teachers caricaturing you as head choppers and people calling you pedophile worshippers?

You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.

SHE IS A WITCH! DONT LISTEN TO ANYTHING SHE SAYS! BURN HER!

Thats what freedom of speech has become, the freedom to be antisocial and unleash the hounds on anyone who's speech you don't like.

McCarthyism and calling it freedom.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27027918 - 11/08/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why are you only responding to posts that are easily contradicted?
I have asked you questions and posted reasonable arguments, but you choose to only respond to the childish "pedo-support" morons etc. instead?

I think that's dishonest.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27027929 - 11/08/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Ummm pretty much everyone fucked 13 yesr olds up until like 100 years ago. Hell for most of human history people only lived to be like fucking 40 or something dumb. Ur just being prejudice and know little about islam



Actually he married her when she was six, then fucked her when she was NINE.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
    #27027930 - 11/08/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.




Adaptation could legitimize that which is fucked up. Wouldn't you agree to that Asante?





Have you thought about the following scenario?

At the beginning of the class the teacher tells the students to hand over their phones. He then embarks on a good introductory talk where he discusses the underlying principles, then shows the image, he explains its intent, he lets the class ask questions and moderates the classes discussion and at the end he puts the image away and veers off to another related topic?

Because thats what ANY RESPONSIBLE TEACHER WOULD HAVE DONE.

The death threats came from the social media, notb from his class. In his class several girls/women apoproached him asking him to take it down because they felt it was blasphemous.

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self-censoring, in order not to create tension, is the easiest way out.




Should a teacher teach in klan robes during black history month? Is that absolutely necessary? Should a teacher be the aggressor in his class and improve the world by hurting some of the students and elevating others? A teacher should do whats best for the teaching of the class and for the reputation of the school and his personal safety and for the harmony in society. He failed this on all counts, not because I say so but because the reality of what happened evidenced it.


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The only reasonable future is a future where everyone can take a joke and criticism without getting butt-hurt and enticing violence.




I disagree, that's lopsided. The only reasonable future is one where the cunts stop being cunts and the pussies become less of a pussy. Both the cunt and the pussy must take a step towards being a proper vagina. If you tell the pussies to take the full brunt of the attacks of the cunts we inevitably end up with a world full of cunts, and after that being a cunt is not enough and you got to be a hard cunt.

See what I'm saying? The people who shout "pedophile worshippers" need to take a step down from their high horse and people readily offended should strive to be less offendable.

We should meet IN THE MIDDLE and not leave all the adaptation to one side only under the fake twoi cent guise that being a cunt is freedom of speech and objecting to cunts being cunts means you're after underage snowflake pussy.

Am I being clear?

People should not have to shut up when confronted with the worst insults an ill informed radicalized mind can cook up in order to hurt them. That is not freedom of speech for all, that is defending antisocial speech only. You know, trumper logic.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27027940 - 11/08/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No, you are not clear. You are emotional. I can't even find coherence in your post. It ranges from klan robes to freedom of speech to insults to female genitalia analogies to trumper logic. I agree with some of it, but disagree completely on other parts.
MY problem is how you think the different parts of your post are connected. I Don't get it. And you seem more interested in proclaiming people who don't agree with you are stupid/cunts/trumpers, rather than explaining your stance coherently.

My best guess is that our difference of opinion is based on our different views on what the image stands for.
For you it seems to stand for hate towards Muslims.
For me it stands for not approving hateful ideologies and for illustrating free speech.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
    #27027946 - 11/08/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not emotional, I'm just using emotionally charged words that you seem to have gotten lost in. You're having a hard time getting the metaphors I spoke in, let me say it without metaphors:

The only reasonable future is where both side are more civil towards one another.

The offenders step down from being so offensive and the offended stop being so offended.

You have to meet in the middle.

People who are against something shouldnt use every possible tactic to attack and offend those who are in favor of it, and people who are for something shouldnt translate their offense into physical violence.

As your lack of comprehension of my former post demonstrates: if people start using highly charged imagery and wordings, other people lose track of what the other tries to say.

That is the exact same as the effect the cartoon had. People were so upset with the image that it escaped them what the message of it was.

So, we're going to be more respectful to one another in the future and be less at each others throats, be it with an offensive approach of literary weapons or with an offensive approach of literal weapons.

The only viable future is when both sides get off their high horses and hug it out in the middle.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27027950 - 11/08/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Now all of a sudden people who feel that the teacher did the wrong thing are shoved into the corner of anti free speech people and pedophile apologists.



I don’t know about this pedo thing but if you’re saying this guy’s limited rights should be curtailed, I disagree.

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No, a teacher doesn't have free speech in that he can be freely offensive at will in his classroom



These were adult level students, they should be learning to be offended.  The only people that cartoon should offend are actual terrorists.  Bending the knee to a violent faction is always a bad idea.

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and no, Islam is not defined by the age of one of the wives of the prophet,


NINE YEARS OLD.

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but its all about the God himself.


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People really love the prophet but only because he brought the word of God.


And he tells them to kill the infidels and spread islam at the point of a sword.

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This is sickening. So confederate flags and having the students swear the hitler youth oath is ok too because freedom of speech?


No.  And it’s probably illegal in holland.

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And suppressing people defending islam with accusations of pedophilia is freedom of speech too?


They do have a prophet that fucked a nine year old girl, and some of their cultures still roll like that.

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What about the freedom to excercise your religion in peace without people going out to offend



I don’t know what draconian laws you got but that is not a freedom, you do not have the right to not be offended.

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you by your teachers caricaturing you as head choppers and people calling you pedophile worshippers?


that part is kind of true

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You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis


calling everyone nazis who disagrees with you is fucking weak.  That shouldn’t even come up.  That is a dishonest attempt to shut down the conversation through use of an emotionally manipulative word.

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because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.


I still don’t know where this pedophilia thing came from but this is islam we’re talking about.  And that cartoon should only be offensive to muslim terrorists, not muslims as a whole.  If they’re offended by it, that’s a red flag on their part.

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Thats what freedom of speech has become, the freedom to be antisocial and unleash the hounds on anyone who's speech you don't like.


Now you are officially defending terrorists.

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McCarthyism and calling it freedom.


Freedom of speech is not mcarthyism, that would be more what you’re doing.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27027977 - 11/08/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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These were adult level students, they should be learning to be offended.  The only people that cartoon should offend are actual terrorists.  Bending the knee to a violent faction is always a bad idea.




Thats two shoulds in what the Other should do. I have one Should: The teacher should not have handled it in this way. The reality of what happened proved me right. And it was a clique of girls arguing the picture was blasphemous and should be taken down. The death threats came from the social media. Everyone gets death threats on the social media. I know I have.

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NINE YEARS OLD.




It was customary in the region at the time to have child brides. Guess what, the ones who wrote the American Constitution were slave owners. It was customary in the region at the time to have black slaves. Does that mean the Constitution is a piece of shit? Of course not! Does Gandhi's disdain for black people and lying with underage girls nullify his great achievement of using nonviolence to liberate India from the British? Of course not! As Cheif said: you have to see things in the context and time they happened.

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I don’t know what draconian laws you got but that is not a freedom




This is Article 1 of the Dutch constitution:

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CHAPTER 1

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Article 1

All persons in the Netherlands shall be treated equally in equal circumstances. Discrimination on the grounds of religion, belief, political opinion, race or sex or on any other grounds whatsoever shall not be permitted.




Draconian huh? Can't even oppress minorities in peace.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27028022 - 11/08/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes discrimination is the correct action. You discriminate against nazis and neo Nazis I'm sure.
You can't hide behind freedom of religion when you chop people's head off because of satire. If 0.00001% of people in your club start doing bad shit and base it on the clubs teachings then society has a job to shut that the fuck down.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27028025 - 11/08/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Asante for real you think it is ok to integrate religion that clearly states that pedofilia and stoning homosexuals is ok as part of western society?

PC culture has gone too far and it is really sad that most people are too afraid to say it out in open.
Everything has not have to been tolerated IMHO.
Like stoning homos or pimping little girls.
You must try to understand people though, even more if they have been brainwashed and indoctorined to religius systems and cultural values and behaving models sinse birth.

But saying that this is ok is far from ok in my opinion.
Trying to attack people who say their opinion is lame btw.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27028026 - 11/08/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This just in: a majority of shroomerites would not support article 1 of the dutch constitution, saying that discrimination based on political belief is a-ok with them.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27026209#27026209

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All persons in the Netherlands shall be treated equally in equal circumstances. Discrimination on the grounds of religion, belief, political opinion, race or sex or on any other grounds whatsoever shall not be permitted.





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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27028028 - 11/08/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Imagine defending trump supporters that do violence because you can't discriminate against political ideology. Alright asante you gotta start defending kyle Rittenhouse as best you can we shouldn't see anything bad about him.

we're denouncing kyles actions and his ideology that lead him to those actions.
Are we only allowed to denounce his actions and not his ideology?
I don't see anything wrong with a picture of a burning maga or trump flag. 
Likewise when people burn the american flag I don't go into a rage


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27028061 - 11/08/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The only reasonable future is where both side are more civil towards one another.




Well that depends what you mean by "sides".
If The far right starts to burn pictures of black people in public places, should the other "side" be civil towards them?


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The offenders step down from being so offensive and the offended stop being so offended.




Yea, sure. But a image saying: "We will not stop advocating free speech when you try to silence us with violence" isn't offensive. Sure, it's provocative against radical Muslims, but being provocative against radicals is not something we should refrain from...

Showing pictures of gays kissing is provocative to christian fundamentalists, should we stop that as well? Off course not. Idiots will be provoked by all kinds of things, just because something is offensive, does not mean it should be removed. You have to look at WHY it is offensive...

So WHY, and to who is this image offensive?



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As your lack of comprehension of my former post demonstrates: if people start using highly charged imagery and wordings, other people lose track of what the other tries to say.




Your inability to communicate coherently demonstrates that misunderstandings occur?
I won't argue with that.


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The only viable future is when both sides get off their high horses and hug it out in the middle.




Like you are doing?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
    #27028063 - 11/08/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think christians that hate fags should have to see pictures of gay people kissing every day. If you have an ideology that breeds hate you should be challenged on your ideas by society every single day. If you want peace than stay out of society with ass backwards opinions.

When ant colonies find an individual infected with something that causes harm to the entire colony they sweep them out.



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27028273 - 11/08/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.





I think with the cartoon in question the offense was taken to having countrymen have their head cut off by refugees you welcomed in yourself, not as much as anything to do with what they said.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: yeah]
    #27028289 - 11/08/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So freedom of speech is only applicable in theory, but not real world application?  That's the mindset of most conservatives- enjoy your freedoms, but make sure you never use it because someone might find it offensive.

Again, if you don't like living in a secular society and the potential for someone's freedom of speech to be highly offensive to oneself, it's time to get the fuck out of that society.


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    #27028294 - 11/08/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You so called "freedom of speech" people are a bunch of partyline nazis because any speech you don't like gets attacked with deliberately offensive cartoons and accusations of pedophilia.





I think with the cartoon in question the offense was taken to having countrymen have their head cut off by refugees you welcomed in yourself, not as much as anything to do with what they said.




It's a twisted mindset to welcome people with little tolerance of others and then bend over backwards to make sure they're not offended by the freedoms of the native citizens. :facepalm:


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: qman]
    #27028300 - 11/08/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why cant religious zealots, like those kids, understand that if their fake god really is so mighty, it wouldnt be bothered by insult.
Small minded zealots.

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