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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026781 - 11/07/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Do you feel that the teacher had the right to post that picture in his classroom?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #27026815 - 11/07/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

He had the right to teach class in an SS uniform.

Doesn't mean a responsible teacher would, of course.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27026825 - 11/07/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

He has the right to freedom of hate speech just as others have a right to freedom of violent action. A teacher was just beheaded in France a few weeks ago for doing just this very thing. Its either blatant hate speech or simply grossly negligent to the danger the students are now in jeopardy of. Either way it does not belong in a public classroom.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27026829 - 11/07/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think he had a 'right' to do it.

Doesn't mean that I think he 'should' have done it mind you.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026831 - 11/07/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I feel he took a chance having that cartoon displayed, but the only people it should offend are muslim radicals, not muslims as a whole.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
    #27026862 - 11/07/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I feel he took a chance having that cartoon displayed, but the only people it should offend are muslim radicals, not muslims as a whole.





Thats not the only effect though, I listed a whole list of detrimental consequences of his taking a chance. A teacher should take better care.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026877 - 11/07/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why would it be poor care to show the image?
You make no sense what so ever.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026885 - 11/07/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: ModularMind]
    #27026891 - 11/07/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think we absolutely should actively point out and discredit philosophies and perspectives of violence and hate. The teacher is better than most for posting that picture and starting a discussion rather than treating everything with kid gloves.

https://www.theonion.com/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image-1819573893


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27026942 - 11/07/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would it be poor care to show the image?
You make no sense what so ever.





What makes no sense whatsoever to you is reality. It completely went to shit for him, for his school, for his students and for the nation. Reality evidences that he messed up.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27026953 - 11/07/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think they should teach kids how to cook, build, solve problems, maintain finances, have confidence, and that bad people and shit ideologies exist


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27026954 - 11/07/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Malkuthian said:
Why would it be poor care to show the image?
You make no sense what so ever.





What makes no sense whatsoever to you is reality. It completely went to shit for him, for his school, for his students and for the nation. Reality evidences that he messed up.




I'll just copy what I've already said:

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The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.




Adaptation could legitimize that which is fucked up. Wouldn't you agree to that Asante?

self-censoring, in order not to create tension, is the easiest way out. But in the long run I think there is a risk that only the censoring will be remembered. If everyone would agree to this self-censoring, then it would become more and more taboo, regardless of where and when, to portray Muslims as satire. I don't think that's a good outcome. That would legitimize their belief. Their belief should be question and never accepted (the belief that it's not okay to create satire with their prophet).

The only reasonable future is a future where everyone can take a joke and criticism without getting butt-hurt and enticing violence.
The only reasonable actions in the moment, are those who lead to this future.




Apart from that, let me quote what Bodisatta just wrote:

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bodhisatta said:
I think we absolutely should actively point out and discredit philosophies and perspectives of violence and hate. The teacher is better than most for posting that picture and starting a discussion rather than treating everything with kid gloves.




Off course his actions led to problems for him.
People who stood up against Hitler also got a shit-storm headed in their direction at one point in history.
I still think they did the right thing...


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27027278 - 11/07/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The whole exercise was a test or audit of Muslim reactions and many failed the test. They have to be smart enough to know it's a test and not show any negative reaction. To suggest that people shouldn't throw out the bait to get a reaction are just denying the obvious. It's not the bait that's the problem, it's the failure of the test result. In this case, the all too common offense of the cartoon. 

If people want to live in a secular culture and enjoy all the benefits that comes with that reality, they can't cherry pick what aspects they're going to find offensive in nature. In other words, if you can't handle your religion getting mocked in public, get the fuck out of that secular culture and move on.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: qman]
    #27027347 - 11/07/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is a case of the right thing to do and the smart thing to do.

The right thing would be to realize that regardless of context, aside from a historical/religious, or an artistic perspective, related to the class that is being taken.

The right thing is to acknowledge the teacher's freedom of speech.

The right thing to do is to put this entire "someone got upset about this" thing on the fact that it was there for5years, which is the fault of the school's management. Like the administration has to have been able to see the drawing, the whole time, and mention that it is not compliant with separation of church and state. If the superintendent, principle, or anyone above the teacher has allowed this, it's ultimately their oversight and that is bad management.

The smart thing is complete damage control. We live in a world of school shooters. Wars across countries over religion. How PC the current culture is. How quickly people choose to start a witch hunt and riots, banning, killing, etc. Over a cause.

The smart thing is do not be a cause. Someone is trying to start a movement somewhere and any thing that can be used to make a crowd upset, will be.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Salomon] * 2
    #27027560 - 11/07/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

These anti free speech people blow my mind.  Mohammed fucked a 13 year old girl, they're pedo worshipers.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #27027694 - 11/07/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ummm pretty much everyone fucked 13 yesr olds up until like 100 years ago. Hell for most of human history people only lived to be like fucking 40 or something dumb. Ur just being prejudice and know little about islam


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #27027695 - 11/07/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Defend pedophilia harder, the mods probably agree at least.  So sad.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: PreparationH] * 2
    #27027704 - 11/07/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not defending pedophilia this member is disparaging an entire religion without providing any historical background or context. Its simply meant to be hateful and Islamophobic.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27027722 - 11/07/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, I am so afraid of Islam, terrified.  Lmao, do you just like throwing these buzz words around or do you actually believe people who disagree with their pedo bullshit
are afraid of islam(you keep calling it a phobia, right?)  Go defend the pedo religion elsewhere, take Christianity up with you while you're at it, they are probably the largest child fuck ring on Earth anyways. 


Inb4 Christianphobia, because I called them child fuckers too.  Pedophile symp.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #27027725 - 11/07/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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These anti free speech people blow my mind.  Mohammed fucked a 13 year old girl, they're pedo worshipers.




Aisha was 9 years old when said Muhammed started using her.
In modern days it is used as preference for quick marriages(prostitution run by scholars of islam) in how old can girl be rented for use. But remember only use asshole, save virgin pussy for the prober marrage.

This is the reason I think islam should not be allowed to be integrated in western society.

Edit: The modern age limit is 12 years old. But not in the pussy! Remember this! Only use rectum.


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