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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27025495 - 11/06/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its failure to educate. its failure to bring the message across, its failure to produce the desired effect and on the contrary achieving the opposite.

Failure.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025505 - 11/06/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How is it a failure?
Maybe you have more context.

At the very least all the students learned that you can't speak openly about muslims without dearh theats. Which is something, right? I am sure none of the students will be hanging charlie hebdoh cartoons


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27025520 - 11/06/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you're a teacher.
And you give a class.
And the students are upset.
The parents are upset.
The school is upset.
Society is upset.
You need police protection.
The school looks like shit in the news.

It fails.

If you could somehow show that picture with a harmonious result then yes, you succeeded!

But it became one big clusterfuck - so bad the police had to be involved.

Imagine a staffer gets high and insults the community so deeply that there are several lawsuits against the site, it makes the news and 100 regulars mikedrop and go - thats failure! And all the rest of the staff will call him or her on that and they may be asked to step down or even be banned from the site entirely.

You're supposed to have a beneficial and desired effect.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025531 - 11/06/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If you're a teacher.
And you give a class.
And the students are upset.
The parents are upset.
The school is upset.
Society is upset.
You need police protection.
The school looks like shit in the news.

It fails.

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Imagine if the Martin Luther King gave up fighting for racial equality because he required police protection?

Still Love you asante but I can't defend silencing speach for those reasons.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27025550 - 11/06/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't defend silencing speach




As a teacher you're supposed to be competent in bringing forth the desired effect in your students.

He failed.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Ezuma]
    #27025693 - 11/06/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IMHO islam should not be tolerated. Any religion that states that pedofilia is ok should not be allowed to be integrated as part of society.

If we do this we cannot say that there is no structural sexualization of children in our society.

And yes, I have muslim friends.
This is not about that.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #27025814 - 11/06/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some of these comments are despicable.  My gradeschool history teacher had a painting of soldiers decapitating other soldiers and blood leaking into a river while I was in 6-8th grade, that's war kids. 


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THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.



Yeah I mean that just shows a complete lack of respect, regard, or common sense; especially so that he's hanging it in front of children in a place of education.

As you say, in a just world he would not need live in fear for sharing satire, but given the world we live in and recent teacher attack for something similar - it's asking for trouble, plain and simple.






Yea, they should show the real photograph of the murdered pastor instead and hang that in the class.  Go take acid and make a fool of yourself on these boards again because you lost control.  The veterans don't forget, no matter how much time has passed or how much you want to rise above that embarrassment you're a noodle here to the people with years on the board that are in the know.  Your actions here and now are proof you are missing a screw when it comes to Freedom.  You are a walking goober and anyone that has kept their eyes on the boards understands whole heartedly the moderators are not pro Freedom of Speech or pro Freedom at all.  But, you were raised outside of the West, you think we should appease these animals because it's "a highly political image" and they are children in a school....



Guess what, that's the point, you are sheltered as fuck, so sad.  I am pretty certain you are anti gun too, while being pro hiding comics of violent extremists, how the fuck anyone can figure that out is beyond me.  Total disaster.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: PreparationH]
    #27025883 - 11/06/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

LOLOL. That's an awesome response man. I love the way you've so wonderfully captured my entire personality and predicated this deep understanding of who I am based on some tiny fragments of my experiences on psychedelics when I was in the darkest period of my life, my upbringing, and my beliefs, before labeling me a goober (must be some American thing, pretty lame insult for a grown man to use) and judging me a disaster.

By all rights that post deserved s ban, but I won't enforce it just in case you feel capable of wowing me with some more of your particular insights.

I'm all yours brother, please, give me all you've got. You surely have more?

I'll grant you total immunity for the next 24 hours.

Tear me a new one.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025929 - 11/07/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Asante by following your logic, i think we should stop condemning violence and intolerance against gays. You know, with 1.6 billion muslims in the world and, and 6.5 billion heteros. They should stop flaunting their sexuality, back in to the closet y´all. Any violence against gays is totally understandable. You dont walk around starting to poke a hornets nest with SIX.FIVE BILLION HORNETS!!!

Thats not my opinion, but its just the way the world works you know:cookiemonster:


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025934 - 11/07/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Moroccans are the most marginalized, most openly discriminated againast minority of The Netherlands, kinda like African Americans in the South.

The group does not thrive and all this discrimination makes it much worse and polarizes and stigmatizes even further.





Yeah well thats just the way the world works, dont you know Asante? They are not integrating as a minority. You can be all angry about it, but its the way it works. Its simple really. As a moroccan you cant just run around not integrating, and expect to get paid for it. If you live in a country as a minority and purposefully dont integrate, what do you expect? Its like running around poking a hornets nest WITH 17 MILLION HORNETS!

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025936 - 11/07/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Moroccans are the most marginalized, most openly discriminated againast minority of The Netherlands, kinda like African Americans in the South.

The group does not thrive and all this discrimination makes it much worse and polarizes and stigmatizes even further.





Yeah well thats just the way the world works, dont you know Asante? Its not how i want it to be. But they are not integrating as a minority. You can be all angry about it, but its the way it works. Its simple really. As a moroccan you cant just run around not integrating, and expect to get paid for it. If you live in a country as a minority and purposefully dont integrate, what do you expect? Its like running around poking a hornets nest WITH 17 MILLION HORNETS!

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27025944 - 11/07/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe you have more context.





He doesnt.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #27026034 - 11/07/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is terrible. Its like posting some swastika in a synagogue and going whats everyone so mad about? Its simply disrespectful and any sort of didactic value can be obtained thru other more respectful means. Public schools must be respectful of all religious beliefs. This would never fly in the USA.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27026056 - 11/07/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Please poke the hive as hard as you like, but not my hive.

Everything about what happened shows that the teacher made a grave error in judgement and that he and all of society pays for his lapse in judgement.

He totally failed to handle that situation well.

Complete didactic failure as evidenced by what happened.

If you defend it, its solely based on anti Islam sentiments, and not because of any sort of criteria that belong with a good class.

You and Tripsurfer delight in how hard the muslim community got kicked and get riled up at their outrage - completely against the interest of the students and the school.

Look - a teacher hangs the cartoon in class. A group of Islamic GIRLS approaches him and insists he takes it down because its blasphemy, after a long discussion he does so, but one of the girls spaps a pic and puts it on the social media and then a bunch of INTERNET DEATH THREATS results.

Yay. Go freedom. Zomg social media death threats if its from the Internet it must be serious!

This is a bunch of fucking bullshit that could have been prevented by THE TEACHER NOT HANGING THE CARTOON IN THE FIRST PLACE, or first preparing the class, then showing the image, debating the image and putting the image away.

You know, like a TEACHER.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27026087 - 11/07/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This particular case is not about GIRLS or CHILDREN, they are 18 year old women.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] * 1
    #27026092 - 11/07/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So you would discourage gay couples walking hand in hand in, lets say, Amsterdam? Violent attacks against them have been rampant in the last couple of years. By your logic, they should just accept that, and pretend to be hetero again? You, as a gay guy, would advise other gay couples to go in hiding?

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27026119 - 11/07/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So you would discourage gay couples walking hand in hand in, lets say, Amsterdam? Violent attacks against them have been rampant in the last couple of years. By your logic, they should just accept that, and pretend to be hetero again? You, as a gay guy, would advise other gay couples to go in hiding?

Greets Tom





Everybody can do what they choose for in this regard. If they want to take the risk that they are viciously assaulted and have every tooth kicked out of their mouth for visual gay display in public, more power and great respect for them.

But I won't do it. I conform to the reality of the possibility of violence and keep such behaviors indoors. I'm not going to put my love on display.

Excuse me Asante, do you let the assholes win by not risking getting your face kicked in for displaying a gratuitous indiscreet show of affection?

No, I win by not getting my face getting kicked in. I leave activism to gay sociopath couples seeking an excuse, gay martial artists and armed gays willing to provoke a response from the gaybashers and gore them instead. I must confess I go Yay Home Team when that happens.

But its not going to be me. I'm not going to risk my potential lover or myself.

How far do you want to go? I'm not willing to provoke street thugs. I will take every effort to straight up murder them if they attack first in a serious attack, but I'm going to avoid all provocation until they stepped well far into my office of legally justifiable self defense, and then unleash a berserker rage. :mad2:

Thats my strategy, avoid confrontation at all cost then if an attempt on my life is made, committed violent aggression till death do us part. I'm not going to be cocky and seek the fight but I will apply bone-breaking and lethal force if you're serious about attacking me.

I don't want any violence but if I'm under serious attack I will use maximal force.

No, I'm a gay of the 70s and 80s where fagbashing was a common cultural phenomenon in Holland, and then it went away and now its back again, so I adjust accordingly and become more discreet in public.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026123 - 11/07/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wow Europe sounds messed up af. What are you guys gonna do when u have to face some of the new modern challenges like the US is seeing right now?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #27026130 - 11/07/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

New modern challenges like the rest of the world no longer buying your government debt and financing your deficit so you guys are off the world teat and have to fend for yourself like any other country?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27026141 - 11/07/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thats not exactly how it works but ok. You act like i dont know Europe's economy is literally in the shitter right now. Infact I think all the low countries run per capita national debts several magnitudes larger than the united states. The difference being the united states consistently produces things for the world besides fucking tulips.  But no I meant like the whole racism and bigotry thing.


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