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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27025311 - 11/06/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"It's horrific what they did but maybe you shouldn't have provoked it" we all know that the first half of that kind of statement is just fluff to ease the impression the second half leaves. It's analogous to "Rape is awful but what was she wearing?  Did she have a mans permission to be outside?"  https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/07/16/boxed/women-and-saudi-arabias-male-guardianship-system





But hey thats just the way the world is right, people rape people.  People kill people over mohammad cartoons, best to not make em.  Don't teach students about how 12 people were killed by islamists for drawing a cartoon.  Talk about accepting reality sheesh


Oh you got drugged and raped?  Well accroding to Sharia, you had premarital sex here's your charge.  https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/19/middleeast/dubai-british-tourist-rape-arrest-claim/index.html

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #27025316 - 11/06/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Only in America have I ever heard people spout this kind of mental gymnastics of judgementalism.

Truly, a national sport in which the country is unmatched by the rest of the world.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #27025318 - 11/06/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I too cant comprehend why some people think like this. Does it really come down to some kind of defeatism? Or is there something deeper, something i cant perceive.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025320 - 11/06/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can't understand why someone who would get offended at the idea of telling pedophiles they could get hurt if they look at my kids sexually can't keep that same energy up when it comes to people hurting someone over A CARTOON


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 2
    #27025336 - 11/06/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah, I'm pretty sure his position is "the world is fucked up so you deal with it" meaning, accept that if you post pictures of mohammad people are going to die.  That ought to be unacceptable.





I didnt even mention Muhammed, nor does the cartoon depict him. So, that wasn't me.

What you are right about is that I said "the world is fucked up so you deal with it."

If you insult enough Muslims deeply enough you're going to die. Fact. That is regrettable, that is unpleasant, but you say "ought" or, "shoulod be" Its not about how things should be, its about how things are, and I'm making a statement of how things are.

If you insult enough Muslims deeply enough you're going to die.

If you want to be a martyr of freedom and get killed over Anti-Islamic activity, go ahead, be that martyr. But I'm not gonna.

Listen up.

There is a huuuge nest of bees. I say: "If you poke that bees nest hard enough the bees will perceive you as a threat to the colony and attack you. Bees don't like their nest poked with a stick and they have stingers."

Whats unacceptable about saying that? That is sage advice about a factual situation.

You can consider it your right as an American or citizen of the Free World to grab a baseball bat and start slugging that bees nest, and upset all those bees who just want to bee left alone and it ought not be that you receive several thousand bee stings and die on the spot.

Oh no! It ought not be! Nests are supposed to be disturbed at will! I have the right to upset who I want. How dare you even suggest that poking the beehive will get me stung? I AM GOING TO IMPOSE MY WILL ON 1.8 BILLION BEES BY UPSETTING THEM AS MUCH AS I CAN AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME!!!

Nope, but they will, and then you are dead, and I told you so.

I did not say that I found it reasonable that people get killed over satire. I really wish that none of that existed in the world.

What I would wish is that if a Muslim felt offended by an insult against Islam, that his faith in the Almighty nature of Allah would reassure him to the point that he wouldnt resort to a level of anger that increases the spiral of violence by externalizing internal pain to external violence. And absolutely the vast majority of Muslims are that way. They know that Allah is so supreme that it reassures them into calm. But, its 1.8 billion people, so very many do not experience it this way.

If you truly realize that your God is the God of All Things, you know that He is completely beyond insult because, and I intermit to make it loud and clear: God is the Lord and Master of all things, all people and every situation. Including the offense. The peace that this brings is such that it becomes pointless to shoot out a workshop of cartoonists for making unpleasant cartoons.

God cannot be harmed by any measure.

But, your religion gets a public relations problem if it is used to justify acts of violence and the believers let this happen.

So, no, I don't find it reasonable that insulting some Muslims can result in physical violence - but its the way it is. You upset a community where honor and fighting for what you believe in are often repeated features, the outcome is predictable. That doesn't mean I like it but, its the way of the world.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025341 - 11/06/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So if the conclusion is 'if you accept the world for what it is, then you obviously support every heinous act there is' does that mean that all one need do to be righteous and unaccepting of such ills is to say 'all the ills of the world sicken me, and I do not support them at all, and I would like to see them all eradicated'?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025342 - 11/06/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some disclosure: in the Cuties thread you and several other were rallying against other members with insinuation and innuendo, which I found unfair, so I got on your case and said what I said in the most unpleasant, subtly abrasive way possible to make you feel as uncomfortable as the less skilled debaters you were badgering. You indeed lost the will to continue the discussion for quite a while :smile:

I thought it was better than moderating, and I admit it, it was also recreational.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27025344 - 11/06/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So if the conclusion is 'if you accept the world for what it is, then you obviously support every heinous act there is' does that mean that all one need do to be righteous and unaccepting of such ills is to say 'all the ills of the world sicken me, and I do not support them at all, and I would like to see them all eradicated'?




Because neither I nor Asante support such violent or horrific acts. Yet we have both expressed the bees nest analogy in this thread.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025345 - 11/06/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see why the muslims don't just draw their own cartoons lampooning jesus or whatever. It's all the same bullshit anyway.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025349 - 11/06/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You cannot equate accepting reality with supporting all the wrongs in the world. That's absolutely bonkers.






He probably knows its bonkers, he just wants to get payback for the butthurt I gave him in the Cuties thread.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025350 - 11/06/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
    #27025362 - 11/06/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't see why the muslims don't just draw their own cartoons lampooning jesus or whatever. It's all the same bullshit anyway.





Muslims consider Jesus a prophet.

Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the God of Abraham/Ibrahim and Noah/Nuh.

Its the same God.

You have the Old Testament.
Jesus brought the New Testament
and the Qu'ran is the Newer Testament.

Proof?



Same guy and much more important, the SAME GOD.

The difference between the three is which prophetic interpretation they value the most.

Muslims are not against Jesus, they just disagree that Jesus was any more than one of the prophets and Christians, fanbois as they are, insist Christ wasnt just a prophet but God Himself and that His Word was the Final Word.

But.. God was and always will be NOW, so it didnt stop at the crucifixion, and another prophet came and cast the previous scriptures in a new light and added newer revelations.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #27025363 - 11/06/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
I don't see why the muslims don't just draw their own cartoons lampooning jesus or whatever. It's all the same bullshit anyway.



Now wouldn't that be a nice world!


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: yeah]
    #27025369 - 11/06/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That guy has the most godwaful monoslyabic voice in the world! Couldn't watch more than a few seconds.

What's the gig with that video? I presume you've watched it?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025372 - 11/06/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that's what I said, it's all the same shit.

Jesus this, moses that
Abraham hit me
With a wiffle ball bat

You know what I see?

I see religious people killing other religious people because they all have the same shitty values. They want to control your life and call it religious freedom. There's no such thing as religious freedom. If you believe in religion, you're not free. 1.8 billion people who are wrong are still god damn wrong.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: yeah]
    #27025376 - 11/06/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Greets Tom




Smart guy, he has some other videos which spark my curiosity as well.
Thanks!

Greets Tom


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025386 - 11/06/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

yeah said:




That guy has the most godwaful monoslyabic voice in the world! Couldn't watch more than a few seconds.

What's the gig with that video? I presume you've watched it?




Ye

"Values like liberty and equality when made absolute can only ever be a temporary luxury because ultimately they create the conditions for their own destruction."

Just Kali Yuga things.
Not sure if I agree with him 100% but he does bring up valid points about the need for discretion in this era and how it relates to cultural values.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025447 - 11/06/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Age of the kids? I think this image would be appropriate for a junior or senior highschool (16-18 year olds) class. I would say the same thing about a teacher showing images of kathy griffen holding up trump's severed head.
The image is not hate speech in any form.

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Its outrageous he needs police protection and that there is a threat and all that but THAT HIGHLY POLITICAL IMAGE SHOULD NOT HANG IN A CLASSROOM.




Young adults should be actively engaged in talking about and understanding the political world around them. WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW ANY ONE GROUP TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT HARMS NO ONE OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF FREE SPEACH.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27025469 - 11/06/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Moroccans are the most marginalized, most openly discriminated againast minority of The Netherlands, kinda like African Americans in the South.

The group does not thrive and all this discrimination makes it much worse and polarizes and stigmatizes even further.

Its a huge gaffe to bring such imagery into a multi ethnic classroom, its like a Sambo or Coon mockery of Arabs and Islam if you look beyond the intent behind the image.

You really shouldn't do that because it gives the wrong signal <--- my opinion
The teacher is under police protection cause it gave the wrong signal <--- the reality

The fact that you shouldnt do that is underlined by the reality of the teacher now being under police protection for death threats. That disrupts the learning process of the students, that disrupts the ethnic harmony among the students and is a great inconvenience and embarrasment to the school, the teacher fears for his life, discriminated people feel more slighted and racists feel more justified in their racism.

TomNL and I are at odds and Tripsurfer even left.

All clear signs that it WAS wrong.

It did not in the least have the desired educational effect and caused a lot of problems foor students, school, teacher and society alike.

Thats how you can tell if something is wrong, if you have good intentions and everything goes to shit.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025489 - 11/06/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The teacher is under police protection because there are violent and intolerant people in society. It is not the same as sambo or coon mockery. The point of the image is clear, "you can chop my head off but we are still here"
It is the same as a gay couple making out in a catholic cathederal.
It is the same as an image of a black man pissing on a police officer.

It should be part of the students education on appreciating freedom of speech and acceptance of other cultures.

Just because the morroccans are disadvantaged in holland as new immigrants (like the turks before them) doesn't mean they have special rights to not be offended.

P.s. this image is not about morroccans anyway it is about muslim extremist and a french satarical magazine


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