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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #27025122 - 11/06/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?



All this tough talk on a forum is great n all, but what are YOU actually doing about it?



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27025125 - 11/06/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Im personally depicting Mohammed in non-political oriented cartoons


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025128 - 11/06/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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MrBlueYoMind said:
Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?



All this tough talk on a forum is great n all, but what are YOU actually doing about it?




Having an open debate about it.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025131 - 11/06/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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tomnl said:
I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´ hollow words. Every. Single. Time.



And what does your debate achieve?

I just can't see the point in all this 'I've had enough of this' talk without any ideas as to what to do about it...


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025134 - 11/06/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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tomnl said:
´Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly´, isnt based on reality either. Yet you choose to cast this fantasy into reality.




That is my expectation of events as they would probably go down if Geert Wilders became prime minister and actually started bulldozing mosques and holding qu'ran book burnings.

Think man.

The reality of all mosques being bulldozed all over the country and the qu'ran being book burned in town squares.

In a country where security to the level the US presidents enjoy is entirely nonexistent.

It would be big news all over the world. Every Islamic nation, religious leader and religious devotee is going to have an opinion about that. 1.8 billion people.

Not gonna go well.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025140 - 11/06/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A debate can achieve many things. This may be perceived different by every participant.
I see that you probably will not achieve anything in this debate. But i might be wrong.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
    #27025155 - 11/06/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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tomnl said:
´Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly´, isnt based on reality either. Yet you choose to cast this fantasy into reality.




That is my expectation of events as they would probably go down if Geert Wilders became prime minister and actually started bulldozing mosques and holding qu'ran book burnings.

Think man.

The reality of all mosques being bulldozed all over the country and the qu'ran being book burned in town squares.

In a country where security to the level the US presidents enjoy is entirely nonexistent.

It would be big news all over the world. Every Islamic nation, religious leader and religious devotee is going to have an opinion about that. 1.8 billion people.

Not gonna go well.




Thats the thing with populists, like trump and his wall. They see a problem within a society, and offer a grotesque fix. Once in power they know very well that they cant keep sailing the radical course they did, before they got in power. But still they steer in that same direction. They get shit done, as far as democracy will let them. Thats why populists -in my eyes- are not perse a bad thing. But you need to know how to control them, and keep them in cuffs.

So if you really believe that when he comes in power, Geert Wilders will burn qurans, kill muslim babies and eat them, and what not. You are naive.


BUT if a populist takes full power, thats when shit gets really dangerous. Thats in my view where the US is right now.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025164 - 11/06/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So if you really believe that when he comes in power, Geert Wilders will burn qurans, kill muslim babies and eat them, and what not. You are naive.





No I believe that if he should get power he becomes a little bitch like Trump, not arresting Hillary, not building the wall, just fucking around.

But if he did he'd get assassinated because "pulling a Hitler" simply doesn't work anymore in Europe, and especially not when it targets the Muslims, who are 1.8 billion strong and groomed to fight what they believe in.

There are more Muslims than Chinese!


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27025169 - 11/06/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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tomnl said:
I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´ hollow words. Every. Single. Time.



And what does your debate achieve?

I just can't see the point in all this 'I've had enough of this' talk without any ideas as to what to do about it...




For me and I think a lot of people it's like a pressure release valve. Literally venting stuff to get it out there and see how it feels to look at it in the daylight, maybe it doesn't hold up to someone else's questions.


My 2 cents: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. If I call someone a racial or religious slur, I can expect them to probably get angry and retaliate. SHOULD someone get death threats over an offensive picture? No, but that's the way the world works.

Cause and effect.

Action and reaction.

Talk shit, get hit, motherfucker.



Saying that you don't agree with that or that you don't believe in that is like saying you don't agree with gravity. Gravity doesn't care. Gravity is.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
    #27025197 - 11/06/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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tomnl said:
A debate can achieve many things. This may be perceived different by every participant.
I see that you probably will not achieve anything in this debate. But i might be wrong.



I would always like to achieve something. This world is beyond fucked up in so many ways right now, and as far as I can see, on our current trajectory as a species is only getting worse.

So yes, not only would I like to achieve something, I would like to do something that would reduce the fuckery and suffering, if even only by a little.

Problem is, what? What can you or I or Asante or anyone here, or there, or anywhere, do to help?

If it is a case, as Trooper says, that you (or he, or she) needs to vent..

Well, that is that. Should I shut up and let that happen?

Or should I push for ideas?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27025215 - 11/06/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You by all means dont have to shut up man.
Thats the opposite of what this thread should have to offer to anyone.
We all feel that ´we need to do something´ right now. But doing something can be as small as expressing opinion. Since that basic thing, that -at least to me- seemed so normal and natural, like drinking water, in the past. Seems to be a thing of the past.

I might be rambling a bit, but i mean well.

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025218 - 11/06/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What the hell are you talking about Asante?

That cartoon has won a prestigious award in 2015. Its not only that cartoon in the classroom, its part of a lesson on satire

The fact that you find this normal is beyond comprehension

Im done with this website

Goodbye

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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025236 - 11/06/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So it's reasonable to cut someones head off for drawing a cartoon of a guy who died 1400 years ago, it's reasonable to say "Don't draw cartoons and you won't get your head cut off."

It's reasonable to cut someones hand and foot off on opposing sides if they try to prevent Islam from taking over the territory they live in.
Also, this https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/27/five-men-beheaded-saudi-arabia-gay-according-confessions-extracted-torture-9328194/


But when I say we ought to have a social attitude towards pedophilia that pedophiles ought to live in fear of indulging in pedophilia, that "you can look but not touch" is a bad philosophy and ought to be "Don't look don't touch" including a protective statement "If you look at my kids sexually, you'll get your dick cut off" is horrific and makes me a monster and threat to freedom and a free mind.

Interesting.



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025255 - 11/06/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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tomnl said:
I might be rambling a bit, but i mean well.



I feel ya man, and it's nice of you to say. I also mean nothing but good; I just wish it was clearer how to be good in this life rather than to just mean it.

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So it's reasonable to cut someones head off for drawing a cartoon of a guy who died 1400 years ago, it's reasonable to say "Don't draw cartoons and you won't get your head cut off."

It's reasonable to cut someones hand and foot off on opposing sides if they try to prevent Islam from taking over the territory they live in.
Also, this https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/27/five-men-beheaded-saudi-arabia-gay-according-confessions-extracted-torture-9328194/

But when I say we ought to have a social attitude towards pedophilia that pedophiles ought to live in fear of indulging in pedophilia, that "you can look but not touch" is a bad philosophy and ought to be "Don't look don't touch" including a protective statement "If you look at my kids sexually, you'll get your dick cut off" is horrific and makes me a monster and threat to freedom and a free mind.



I have no idea where you're getting all this from (well, I do, your head) but you're certainly inferring a lot of shit about Asante which is completely unreasonable.

Anyone who's read a dozen of his posts would know he would never support the shite your suggesting he does.

It seems you desire to be incredibly unreasonable?


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27025267 - 11/06/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well, anyone who read the Cuties post would know what I'm talking about.    He even went so far as to act aghast at what I said in separate thread, but here he's understanding towards ending life and saying the teacher ought not have put the cartoon up. 

I also already asked if he supported cutting someones head off in a sharia controlled society, as well as cutting hand and foot on opposite sides, both punishments dictated by Islam, and he purposefully ignored that question and seeing as how he is in defense of Islam then my inference is completely reasonable.

I've met a number of athiests who believe Islamophobia is a real thing, despite Islam being the most anti-athiest belief on the planet.  It is literally the opposite and negation of athiesm, yet athiests not only believe in Islamophobia, they extract feelings of superiority for believing in it and shutting down criticism of Islam.  So having discussions can sometimes break through the irrational nonsense that people have gobbled up to stroke their ego with.  If you claim to be an athiest, then you are claiming the religion of Islam is false, and therefor ought to be critical of it rather than coddle it.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025291 - 11/06/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mate you're out of order. He never said anything 'understanding towards ending life'.

It's really sad when people do what you just did and twist the words of a kind man against him.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #27025296 - 11/06/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's reasonable to cut someones head off for drawing a cartoon of a guy who died 1400 years ago, it's reasonable to say "Don't draw cartoons and you won't get your head cut off."

It's reasonable to cut someones hand and foot off on opposing sides if they try to prevent Islam from taking over the territory they live in.
Also, this https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/27/five-men-beheaded-saudi-arabia-gay-according-confessions-extracted-torture-9328194/


But when I say we ought to have a social attitude towards pedophilia that pedophiles ought to live in fear of indulging in pedophilia, that "you can look but not touch" is a bad philosophy and ought to be "Don't look don't touch" including a protective statement "If you look at my kids sexually, you'll get your dick cut off" is horrific and makes me a monster and threat to freedom and a free mind.

Interesting.







Your reading coimprehension is not at this low a level. Either you are trolling or you need to calm down a whole lot and factually read the words I write.

This is very hard because you have to listen, not to yourself, but to what I actually, word for word in its inescapable meaning, what I factually say.

And then, if you manage to do that, you see nothing of what you accuse me of.

You are setting up a strawman of what you believe I said and then attack me for it.

Your post does not react to what I actually say.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27025302 - 11/06/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, I'm pretty sure his position is "the world is fucked up so you deal with it" meaning, accept that if you post pictures of mohammad people are going to die.  That ought to be unacceptable.



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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #27025303 - 11/06/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What the hell are you talking about Asante?





Here you state that you don't quite understand what I mean.

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:

The fact that you find this normal is beyond comprehension





Here you show that, indeed, you did not get what I was saying. It is beyond comprehension because it would be outrageous if I said it, which I didn't.

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:

Im done with this website

Goodbye

:thumbdown:




Here you draw a conclusion on an incorrect assumption and take a regrettable decision based on that.

I hope you'll be back in a calmer mindstate to see that if you're not outraged, what I write does not resemble what you though it did.

I wish you the best.


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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #27025307 - 11/06/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah, I'm pretty sure his position is "the world is fucked up so you deal with it" meaning, accept that if you post pictures of mohammad people are going to die.  That ought to be unacceptable.



I completely disagree. What you're doing here ought to be unacceptable.

You cannot equate accepting reality with supporting all the wrongs in the world. That's absolutely bonkers.

Like I say, your accusatory nature and persecution of thoughts that you have made up and stuffed into someone else's mind is out of order.


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