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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27024317 - 11/06/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It doesnt belong in the classroom. There the students are to restrain themselves and the teachers as well.
As fredom loving as I am, there is also is Cause and Effect.
Charlie Hebdo were experts at kicking people when they were down.
They were paid a visit by experts at shooting people in the face when they're down.
Entirely tragic - entirely predicatable.
This is how the world works - fucked up.
It doesn't belong in a classroom.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27024321 - 11/06/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: It doesnt belong in the classroom. There the students are to restrain themselves and the teachers as well.
As fredom loving as I am, there is also is Cause and Effect.
Charlie Hebdo were experts at kicking people when they were down.
They were paid a visit by experts at shoothing people in the face when they're down.
Entirely tragic - entirely predicatable.
This is how the world works - fucked up.
It doesn't belong in a classroom.
You have a really wonderful worldview there. Assuming you make a cartoon about something sacred to me, it's understandable that I would pursue your death? You cannot be serious?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: unam sanctum]
#27024325 - 11/06/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't understand what I'm saying.
The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.
If you let your ideals prevail over common sense you get locked up for 26 years like Nelson Mandela, you get gunned down like Charlie Hebdo, and your Muslim Students are going to rebel against you.
You don't wear a sign saying n*ggers into the ghetto. You can harp on free speech all you want but you know whats gonna happen 
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Assuming you make a cartoon about something sacred to me, it's understandable that I would pursue your death?
You are mistaking "understandable" with an endorsement of their right to shoot you in the face.
No, if you offend people known to shoot people in the face over the exact kind of thing Charlie Hebdo persists in, there is a risk that some people are going to do just that.
If you draw a gun in a Texas store, you get shot. Show up as a black guy at a Klan rally, you might get mistreated or lynched.
This is the world you live in:
If you don't modify your behaviors accordingly, your life may take a turn for the worse.
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You have a really wonderful worldview there.
I have a wonderfully accurate view of what can get you killed in a fucked up world.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 1
#27024338 - 11/06/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh, well duh. Common sense is not so common, as Pris might have said. I thought we were talking about how we as a tolerant people have decided that it is not ok to kill each other over jokes, or even seriously negative speech. I thought we held the violent aggressors responsible regardless of race, creed or sex. You don't seem to set the bar of humanity too high with "well, what did you expect."
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: unam sanctum]
#27024345 - 11/06/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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how we as a tolerant people have decided that it is not ok to kill each other over jokes, or even seriously negative speech.
We're not.
1 in 20 people is a psychopath or narcissist.
One in 4 or so women are straight up raped.
Kids show up at school with teeth knocked out by daddy.
We're a pack of wild beasts that is losing its cohesion.
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I thought we held the violent aggressors responsible regardless of race, creed or sex
You and I do!
But the others, well, they ARE the violent aggressors.
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You don't seem to set the bar of humanity too high with "well, what did you expect."
I have lived my life traumatized and with PTSD and other syndromes because of the abuse, the neglect and the savagery that I underwent during my childhood.
I'm an ex child soldier of the war zone of my childhood 
I love everybody but some of us are spectacular sons of bitches and we must navigate our way around them to keep doing works of good to an old age, or meet an early grave.
I live in a place where it was a thing to round up all the ethnic minorities, sell off their shit, send them on an express train to Poland 50 in a cattle car of which 5 died, to undress them, crowd them in an underground chamber, gas them with insecticide and send them up the flue in one fluent operation 1500 at a time, after pulling out their gold teeth mind you, and selling the ashes as fertilizer to farmers. Human fertilizer factories.
We ourselves refer to this area haughtily as "the civilized world"
Fucking mustard gas and antipersonnel mines man.
Sooo.. you are beautiful people but not all are as beautiful as others.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27024446 - 11/06/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Something being predictable doesnt make it right
Apply that logic to the abolishment of slavery.
"Sorry dudes, no freedom for you. Just the way the world works ya know. We dont want to offend anyone"
The classroom is the ultimate place for new and confrontational ideas. It should be a safe space to explare the boundaries of human thought, where its the teachers role to provide background information.
Yes, I expect Muslims bitching about cartoons. I also expect our government and media to go against that hard. Unfortunately that ship seems to have sailed here
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27024447 - 11/06/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Something being predictable doesnt make it right
Apply that logic to the abolishment of slavery.
OK, hang it in a classroom in Iran.
I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying that one has to be sensible in ones actions because many others aren't.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 1
#27024459 - 11/06/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont think that was an appropriate cartoon, but any muslim giving him death threats I consider an extremest and should be in a "western" country
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: gopher]
#27024463 - 11/06/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A teenager going "I'm gonna kill you man" is a death threat nowadays.
Teenagers are reckless and test the acceptable and unacceptable.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 2
#27024571 - 11/06/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tomnl said: I happen to believe that we need to change shit now, before more and bigger freedoms are lost.
So what's the plan? How do we eradicate extremists and violence from our world?
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Asante said: The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.
Exactly. So whilst we're in the process of implementing whatever wonderful plan comes from the above questions, we have to adapt to this clusterfuck as it is, and not go around poking hornets nests with sticks.
This whole thing reminds me of the outcry here when a video of a guy with a huge American flag riling up a gang of BLM protesters and got a beating for it was posted. If you don't want painful consequences, then don't further anger people who are already angry, right?
Regardless of WHAT IS RIGHT in this world, we have WHAT IT IS, and if you can't adapt to that, you're going to suffer for it.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#27025012 - 11/06/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tomnl said: I happen to believe that we need to change shit now, before more and bigger freedoms are lost.
So what's the plan? How do we eradicate extremists and violence from our world?
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Asante said: The world is FUCKED UP and you have to adapt to that.
Exactly. So whilst we're in the process of implementing whatever wonderful plan comes from the above questions, we have to adapt to this clusterfuck as it is, and not go around poking hornets nests with sticks.
This whole thing reminds me of the outcry here when a video of a guy with a huge American flag riling up a gang of BLM protesters and got a beating for it was posted. If you don't want painful consequences, then don't further anger people who are already angry, right?
Regardless of WHAT IS RIGHT in this world, we have WHAT IT IS, and if you can't adapt to that, you're going to suffer for it.
Im not talking about what is smart and what is not smart, is it smart to run a red flag in front of a bull? No it isnt. But if its a necessary act, when everybody starts to swirl their red flags, coming together as a society will make this kind of extremism futile. I understand cowardice, im no stranger to it. But why do governments not encourage this kind of resistance to what is threatening us as a whole. I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´ hollow words. Every. Single. Time.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27025025 - 11/06/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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he shouldn't have had that cartoon up in his class -does this mean he deserves death threats? No absolutely. Anyone meaning to kill him for this cartoon is a piece of shit and their intentions are inexcusable. With that said, it was still a bad call of his, and I agree that teachers should not be putting things like that in a classroom. I don't care about the feelings of religious extremists at all, but that's beside the point
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27025042 - 11/06/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had enough of this bullshit ´We will never bow to violence´
The teacher brought the violence to the classroom, a beheading cartoon where an offender of Islam mocks a sterotyped Arab, bloodied scimitar in hand - in a class with Muslim students.
I guaratee you that teacher has a resentment against Arabs, Moroccans, like so many here, and that this narrative enters the classroom between the lines in more ways than hanging that provocative beheading cartoon.
And they called him on it.
And cops were called.
And now hes the victim of Radical Islam.
BULLSHIT.
We like to spit people in the face and demand that they don't take offense.
Like black pete.
Fuck Dutch Xenophobia,
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 1
#27025049 - 11/06/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just to try to understand you:
cartoons are violence
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27025054 - 11/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel like you are radicalizing Asante. You advocated for political murder on the forum like a week ago? ´We need a new Volkert van der Graaf?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl] 1
#27025085 - 11/06/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tomnl said: I feel like you are radicalizing Asante. You advocated for political murder on the forum like a week ago? ´We need a new Volkert van der Graaf?
Greets Tom
This feeling of yours is not based on the reality of what I said but on how you choose to perceive me.
What am I saying?
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lowbrow said: When you guys gonna get Geert Wilders in?
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Asante said: Geert's a dumb idiot. His rhetoric is entirely infeasible, clashing not just with the constitution but with basic human rights.
Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly.
Rephrasing: If Geert Wilders would rise to power a presidential assessin would stand up and take him out.
I'm in no way endorsing that. I'm not advocating or defending it. I'm simply saying that its basic cause and effect that if Geert Wilders rose to power, he'd go the way of Pim Fortuyn or Theo Van Gogh.
Not because I like that so much, but because thats what our nation has become. Simply, cause and effect.
A large part of Holland are hotheaded aggressive assholes and Geert Wilders is so extreme and nonsensical in his political statements (burn all Qu'rans and demolish all mosques, remove constitutional protection of Muslims and tax "head rags" as he calls Hijabs) that he's either going to be killed by one of our assholes or a muslim nation will put a price on his head and a fatwa to end his existence on this planet.
You can't say those things, come into power, and live. Its incompatible with the nation and the planet.
Its not how the world works.
Do you think the Muslim World will sit on its ass when the mosques are demolished and the qu'rans burned? Do you think that genuine patriotic Dutchmen are going to allow a Kristallnacht and rise of that kind of regime to our freedoim loving country that has such vivid memory of the Nazi occupation?
The world doesnt work that way.
And I say, if you are a politician who literally says things like burn all Qu'rans and demolish all mosques, remove constitutional protection of Muslims and tax "head rags" as he calls Hijabs - you are a dumb idiot because thats political suicide. That has no chance of succeeding. The Dutch are too averse to totalitarianism and the Muslims wont stand for it. No chance, absolutely no chance, and thats dumb, that is politically infeasible and it clashes with constitutional and basic human rights.
Exactly like I said.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 1
#27025090 - 11/06/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If muslims aren't the type of people to cut heads off over cartoons, then it doesn't portray them at all, so how does it portray them negatively? Why would he need police protection if muslims aren't irrationally violent over cartoons?
How is it mocking muslims if they don't cut heads off cartoonists? Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?
Do you believe it is perfectly acceptable under Sharia for someone to have their head cut off for mocking Islam? What about having one hand and the opposite foot cut off for trying to prevent Islam from taking over?
If the guy had Flat Earth students, would he be wrong to have a globe sitting on his desk?
Since you are against a secular society charging a special tax on muslims, I take it you are against the same behavior of muslims charging Jizya against all non-muslims once they take over a territory?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#27025102 - 11/06/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If muslims aren't the type of people to cut heads off over cartoons, then it doesn't portray them at all, so how does it portray them negatively?
If christians aren't the type of people to burn crosses on black peoples lawns, then it doesn't portray them at all, so how does it portray them negatively?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27025114 - 11/06/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It doesn't portray them at all, you literally answered your own question.

Care to answer any of the other questions? Do you think it is acceptable to cut the head off a cartoonist in a sharia-controlled society? Do you believe it is acceptable to cut off the hands and feet on opposite sides of someone who tries to prevent Islam from taking over?
Don't you think the muslims who cut peoples heads off aren't really muslim and give Islam a bad name, and thus ought to be mocked accordingly?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#27025119 - 11/06/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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´Another Volkert Van Der Graaf would stand up and vote him down singlehandedly´, isnt based on reality either. Yet you choose to cast this fantasy into reality. You should expect people to start asking questions about that.
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