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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: gopher]
#27029809 - 11/09/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The whole point of my eat that watermelon and a bunch of my posts in here is what makes something derogatory is historical context set and setting. Meaning there's a time and place for comedy, comics, free speech activism, any of it but a classroom is not a teachers bully pulpit. You people seem to have very little idea of how freedom or rights actually work.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27030480 - 11/09/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: Asante you are expressing an old view of racism
No, this in your own quote is the reality of today:
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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype.
So don't cause its all in writing and I can read.
only works with people who are easily confused.
You didn't read the whole quote nor did you read the article I linked. You instead focused on the first sentence which actually illustrates my point.
I am going to requote and bold the important part in the hopes you get it.
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Today, many African-Americans resist eating the fruit in public so as not to be seen as confirming the stereotype. I am glad, however, that was of no concern to my mother decades ago. As she sat in her cream-colored ensemble on a blanket under the Georgia summer sun, the photo captured her nurturing the life inside her with the same fruit co-opted by the racism that took the lives of so many others. As such, though I still dislike the melon, my watermelon birthmark is a badge of pride and a stare of defiance at the stereotype that continues to sprinkle salt in the wound of racism.
Believing that a black children shouldnt eat watermelon is racist. Continueing to harp on the stereotype and insisting that any depiction of black people eating watermelon is racist is in fact perpetuating the exact thing that the racist motherfuckers who made that cartoon wanted you to think.
You dont even know the history that freed black slaves grew water melons as a means of self sufficiency and that the white racist made those cartoons becuase they wanted to disuade people from buying watermelons.
Imagine telling your children not to eat watermelon because you are afraid that you are perpetuating a stereotype, denying them the simple summer pleasure. That is racist as fuck, you may as well tell them to get back on the plantation.
Eating watermelon and being defiantely proud of it as a black person is a statement against racism.
I am honestly hurt by your defensive response and accusations. Fuck you asante the closest you ever got to learning about being brown is the shit in your toilet.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27030487 - 11/09/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Believing that a black children shouldnt eat watermelon is racist.

I don't live in a land where the president talked nonstop gibberish for 4 years.
I said nothing to the effect that black children shouldnt eat watermelon.
Once more your entire argument is
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27030502 - 11/09/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You still didnt read the article that was written by a black person did you?
I am done replying to your trolls, asante, you know nothing about race in modern america and that is clear. Maybe stick to dutch stuff.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27031147 - 11/10/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tomnl said: Just to try to understand you:
cartoons are violence
Greets Tom
OK TomNL, this is Youtube speaking...
The photo is Geert Wilders
The guy says "This is Freedom of Expression"
Of course you will defend his freedom of expression in this satire and I'm still completely unrealistic in that nothing ontoward would happen if Geert became prime minister.
You're welcome
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante] 1
#27031222 - 11/10/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why are you still cherry picking what you choose to answer Asante? What is your train of thought, "SHIT, I cant argue with that, lets ignore it"?
And by the way, if anyone is sitting on a high horse in this thread, it's you.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian]
#27031266 - 11/10/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well that depends what you mean by "sides". If The far right starts to burn pictures of black people in public places, should the other "side" be civil towards them?
I don't see any reason why you can't burn photographs, flags and uniforms.
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Yea, sure. But a image saying: "We will not stop advocating free speech when you try to silence us with violence" isn't offensive. Sure, it's provocative against radical Muslims, but being provocative against radicals is not something we should refrain from...
Showing pictures of gays kissing is provocative to christian fundamentalists, should we stop that as well? Off course not. Idiots will be provoked by all kinds of things, just because something is offensive, does not mean it should be removed. You have to look at WHY it is offensive...
So WHY, and to who is this image offensive?
Should. You are telling people that they shouldnt be offended and that it isn't offensive. Try, to quote the Tourettesguy, try walking a mile in their shit.
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Your inability to communicate coherently demonstrates that misunderstandings occur? I won't argue with that.
You have for whatever reason an inability to understand metaphor that other people have no trouble understanding. I think its an evasive debate tactic but I could be wrong.
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Asante said: The only viable future is when both sides get off their high horses and hug it out in the middle
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Like you are doing?
Exactly like I am advocating in the very sentence yoiu try to turn against me.
Yes. both groups of radicals should move towards common ground.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Asante]
#27031669 - 11/10/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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tomnl said: Just to try to understand you:
cartoons are violence
Greets Tom
OK TomNL, this is Youtube speaking...
The photo is Geert Wilders
The guy says "This is Freedom of Expression"
Of course you will defend his freedom of expression in this satire and I'm still completely unrealistic in that nothing ontoward would happen if Geert became prime minister.
You're welcome 
That’s not satire. By US standards of freedom of speech that is a possible threat, and possibly not protected. What that had to do with muslim terrorists, I don't know.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow] 1
#27031672 - 11/10/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Possibly not protected?
I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27031695 - 11/10/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Possibly not protected?
I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?
As far I know, you can't yell "FIRE" or stuff like that in a way to incite panic or violence. If you tell someone "I'm going to kill you", that is considered a threat and is not protected under free speech.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Ima Trooper] 1
#27031990 - 11/10/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now you are comparing someone who hangs a drawing in his classroom, against someone who empty a gun on someones photo, happening to be a politician operating inside a democracy. Hmmmm you are really grasping here. I feel like you are now purposefully destroying the discussion.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27032075 - 11/10/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Possibly not protected?
I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?
If you show intent of physical harm that is illegal. That video could fall under criminal threat.
It would all depend on the lawyer.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
#27032583 - 11/11/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The video has been put in front of a judge now.
Greets Tom
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27032585 - 11/11/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Welcome to clown world!
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: tomnl]
#27032586 - 11/11/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
#27033362 - 11/11/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well that depends what you mean by "sides". If The far right starts to burn pictures of black people in public places, should the other "side" be civil towards them?
I don't see any reason why you can't burn photographs, flags and uniforms.
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Yea, sure. But a image saying: "We will not stop advocating free speech when you try to silence us with violence" isn't offensive. Sure, it's provocative against radical Muslims, but being provocative against radicals is not something we should refrain from...
Showing pictures of gays kissing is provocative to christian fundamentalists, should we stop that as well? Off course not. Idiots will be provoked by all kinds of things, just because something is offensive, does not mean it should be removed. You have to look at WHY it is offensive...
So WHY, and to who is this image offensive?
You are telling people that they should'nt be offended and that it isn't offensive. Try, to quote the Tourettesguy, try walking a mile in their shit.
No. I'm trying to have a conversation with you and I asked you why the image should be considered offensive, and if so to whom. I think, as I already pointed out earlier, that your perception and my differs on specifically this point. Hence it seems reasonable to look at this a bit deeper. It was an actual question and I am curious what your answer is.
From my perspective only radical Muslims who agree with terrorist acts would consider the image offensive. And in that case the "try walking a mile in their shit", makes no sense what so ever.
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You have for whatever reason an inability to understand metaphor that other people have no trouble understanding. I think its an evasive debate tactic but I could be wrong.
I understand the metaphors, I just don't understand how they are arguments for what you are saying...
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Asante said: Exactly like I am advocating in the very sentence yoiu try to turn against me.
No, I'm not trying to turn that sentence against you. I'm saying that the sentence is weird coming from a guy who himself seems to be seated on quite a large horse... And that viewpoint is not based on THAT sentence, it is based on your other comments and posts in this thread.
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Malkuthian]
#27033383 - 11/11/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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"From my perspective only radical Muslims who agree with terrorist acts would consider the image offensive. And in that case the "try walking a mile in their shit", makes no sense what so ever."
I can see this point. On the other side, wouldn't it be best if that thought came to the head of the person displaying the cartoon (To inflame people in any way? Maybe he was trying to get conversation about the subject matter going, who knows?) and he would just reconsider and not display it?
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27042282 - 11/16/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: Possibly not protected?
I thought it all was, as long as you're not physically hurting someone?
As far I know, you can't yell "FIRE" or stuff like that in a way to incite panic or violence. If you tell someone "I'm going to kill you", that is considered a threat and is not protected under free speech.
Theres Time, Place and Manner laws that pertain to Free Speech
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: gopher]
#27042562 - 11/16/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Dutch teacher got threatened over a cartoon [Re: lowbrow]
#27042578 - 11/16/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://uscivilliberties.org/themes/4597-time-place-and-manner-rule.html
you cant yell fire in a crowded theatre because of time place and manner
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