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Hard Drugs
    #27023208 - 11/05/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Can anybody with experience using 'hard drugs' (extremely addictive with potential for death/serious health problems from overdose or repetitive use, like meth or coke or heroin or maybe barbs idk for sure) help me make up my mind to never try anything like this? I just have been feeling the influence of others and whatnot but know deep down that these drugs turn people into manipulative addicts a lot of the time. At the same time there is an inner curiosity and the classic thought 'it wouldn't happen to me if I tried it'. Does anybody have any stories or advice in this aspect? I doubt I would try it because of the deep down feeling I have but some rationalizing or stories might help me stay away forever. Or maybe you disagree, if so still reply obviously


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333] * 4
    #27023211 - 11/05/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

marijuana and mushrooms is all you need :ruggedwink:


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27023218 - 11/05/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Worst things I have done against other human being ave been under the influence of alpratsolam aka xanor aka xanax aka bars.
Usually with out remebering it afterwars.

Combine with alcohol and the ones around you are going to usually have quaranteed bad time.

Meth is even worse imho.

Heroin. Well kinda like it but it does not give me any effect but "normal" If I would be you just stay the fuck away from it. It ruins lives and families on the same time.

Disclaimer: I dont use hard drugs no more. And there is reason for that.

Try yoga and nature.
If must intoxicate use something like cannabis, kratom,coffee,tea. A.muscaria.... You got the point, did you?


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27023228 - 11/05/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some people don't become addicted to certain drugs but go on to become addicted to others. I never personally became addicted to opiates or benzos or stimulants but I made sure to take them as prescribed and to not continue pursuing refills.
I did however struggle with addiction to dissociatives for a handful of years as a way of dealing with anxiety/trauma but that's behind me thankfully. As much as I tried I couldn't quit under my own power, it was Spirit that forced me to stop.
Now I don't even use cannabis, just mushrooms and ayahuasca/oral DMT.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: kneesocks]
    #27023249 - 11/05/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Every individuals internal chemistry and genetic predisposition for addiction/depression is unique.  Therefore, how something will affect you will be somewhat different, to a certain extent, than anyone else.

With that being stated, Timothy Leary has said the only time he has done things that he has regretted is under the influence of alcohol.

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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: kneesocks]
    #27023250 - 11/05/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You won't be missing out on anything worth while.
The idea to do it again might haunt you and take away the good time you had on that drug.
btw coke and meth at least have serious negative effects after the high wears off which might lead you to not even liking them in the first place.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27023259 - 11/05/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: InnerWisdom] * 5
    #27023260 - 11/05/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

From a post I made on a similar topic:

Nobody ever seems to realize that nearly every single addict started off with occasional use and had full control over it at first, never meaning for it to become a full time thing. It was just a social thing, or out of curiousity, boredom, temporary escapism, etc.

Heroin surprised me because it wasn't the intense hardcore feeling I expected from everything I'd heard. It was mellow, comfortable, familair even. It made work shifts fly by, made me more social, no matter what mood I was in one bump turned everything into a cozy perfection.

I used once a week at first, then less, then less... then had a summer off. Then back to once a week, but things were different then, and slowly the frequency crept up. It's nothing you can consciously explain. There's no real consequences at first so you don't see the harm in stepping up to twice a week every now and then. You begin to think about it when you don't have it, looking forward to your "on" days and becoming slightly less engaged with the things in your life that actually matter. Nothing can compare.

It's like you're in a room with a very slow carbon monoxide leak, by the time you realize something is off it very well may be too late. Yea, it's one of the best short-term pleasurable feelings on the planet. I had to change my entire philosophy, and accept that I don't enjoy life as much when my goal is chasing pleasures. There's always a down to the up, a lot of times it's difficult to pinpoint what that down is when your mind is on getting high.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27023322 - 11/05/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm 12 days clean after 12 years of opiate addiction

You'll be lucky not to die, go jail for a few posession charges, fuck up your probation enough to end up on drug court

Then you'll fuck that up and go to prison

The only time you'll be clean is when you're in jail, sometimes not even then

Wont get pussy, wont hold a job, wont know happiness without your dope

If you're a female you'll suck dick for dope it happens alot more than you imagine

If you do live you'll become a fucking bible thumping aa faggot who has no power over your own actions

Meth sucks

Coke is great, but freebase and crack sucks


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #27023444 - 11/05/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Lost a handful of years to heroin, as well as some of my best friends during that period.  Withdrawing, Feeling like shit, all hairs standing on end, aching, hurting, bone pain, insomnia, family crying, crippling loneliness etc...  it felt great to use in the moment but it was definitely the most harmful period of my life.  And all the lies I told in order to keep using or feed my own opiate fueled delusion.

One of my best friends is struggling hard with meth in seattle and it sucks seeing him keep going back to it.  It makes people go crazy..straight up.

Heavy drugs can mask the pain but that is short lasting and then for me I always just end up heavily addicted to drugs, terrified and incapable of taking a sober breath, losing my living arrangements and all my friends that matter and I end up sharing misery with other users.  Heroin led me to some of the most interesting, incredible people of my life but the thing was we were all just shells of who we could be. I dont regret it but I am glad those years have been over for a while.

Been using only cannabis, lsd, dmt, and mushrooms for the past 3 years to good effect but I understand from personal experience drug use is a slippery slope in general for addicts like me.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27023485 - 11/05/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

LSD and mushrooms are the only two drugs worth trying. Stick to those two.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: nooneman]
    #27023806 - 11/05/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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nooneman said:
LSD and mushrooms are the only two drugs worth trying. Stick to those two.




Ehh idk man

I mean yea all that bad shit I said will happen will happen

But there's way many sweet drugs


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333] * 1
    #27023820 - 11/05/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

don't spend time with people that do those drugs on the daily, even if they seem like they have their shit together, it is just a matter of time before they do not, do not normalize hard drug use, like people here say, when it ends, it will not end well, especially if you have an addictive personality

that, or you can come by my place every morning as soon as you wake up and i will smack you for free if you think that might help, with love of course

psychedelics and herbs, and these in moderation, as prescribed, by yourself/to yourself


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: masspan]
    #27023829 - 11/05/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

this might help?



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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: masspan]
    #27023835 - 11/05/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

that's how far you can fall, some of these people look like they ran away from home in the last few months, others look like they've been here forever, but it might really only be a couple of years


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: masspan]
    #27023884 - 11/05/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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don't spend time with people that do those drugs on the daily, even if they seem like they have their shit together, it is just a matter of time before they do not, do not normalize hard drug use, like people here say, when it ends, it will not end well, especially if you have an addictive personality.




THIS! OP: heed the advice no matter how good you think it might be.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333] * 3
    #27024332 - 11/06/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Can anybody with experience using 'hard drugs' (extremely addictive with potential for death/serious health problems from overdose or repetitive use, like meth or coke or heroin or maybe barbs idk for sure) help me make up my mind to never try anything like this? I just have been feeling the influence of others and whatnot but know deep down that these drugs turn people into manipulative addicts a lot of the time. At the same time there is an inner curiosity and the classic thought 'it wouldn't happen to me if I tried it'. Does anybody have any stories or advice in this aspect? I doubt I would try it because of the deep down feeling I have but some rationalizing or stories might help me stay away forever. Or maybe you disagree, if so still reply obviously





I'm a member here for 10x longer than you have been.

Because of this I have been in a wide consistent circulation of drug users for 2 decades.

So many died or had their life wrecked - all over hard drugs.

They are really bad news.

Stims addict you and kick you in the teeth, opioids straight up kill you.





Listen this song on Youtube and read the horrible replies of addicts and ex addicts. Heartbreaking.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: Asante]
    #27025977 - 11/07/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

all hard drugs except cocaine come from china and the chinese have no soul


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27025981 - 11/07/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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marijuana and mushrooms is all you need :ruggedwink:



and LSD.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27025986 - 11/07/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:sanpedro:  :tee:  :kratomtee: :awehigh:

Stay away from pills and tars and you should be fine.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: GreenHorns] * 1
    #27025987 - 11/07/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

if we were taught dosages in health class no one would die ever


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27025993 - 11/07/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The curiosity is really not worth the risk. None of these drugs are really ever worth it and they are extremely destructive. These things are seriously powerful and I've realized most people can't dabble find out what they're about and drop them. The lit rewire your brain in alot of cases and it takes some serious mind power to recognize where you are before your in too deep. The majority of people just wrapped up when the hooks sink in. My advice is to just not do them. No one comes out totally unscathed and its like that chili peppers song once you know you can never go back.



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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27026004 - 11/07/20 02:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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:sanpedro:  :tee:  :kratomtee: :awehigh:

Stay away from pills and tars and you should be fine.



My rule of thumb is that if I take an opioid pill or 2 (but no more than 2), I won't take it again for at least 24 hours that way I know I won't get addicted. But I only do opioid pills when I actually get a prescription for it from my dentist which is not often. I usually save my opioid pills for times when I have big headaches or for rare times when I want to mix it with weed.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27026952 - 11/07/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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....I just have been feeling the influence of others and whatnot but know deep down that these drugs turn people into manipulative addicts a lot of the time. At the same time there is an inner curiosity and the classic thought 'it wouldn't happen to me if I tried it'. Does anybody have any stories or advice in this aspect?






I'm a super curious person....I tried meth purely out of curiosity years ago. It wasn't something I was so curious about that I was going to go out and try to find and score the stuff, but I was always very curious about the drug and a friend randomly had some one day and offered me some so I gave it a try. I dabbled with it about a dozen times or so over the stretch of a year. I never used regularly and was never addicted. Last time I dabbled with it was 6+ years ago, I don't have much interested in it at all these days.

I tried heroin out of curiosity years ago.....I never became addicted and never used regularly. It was something I did just a few times. (TBH I found oxymorphone to be way more potent and euphoric than H was for me)

I've tried many different drugs just to satisfy my own curiosity.



I was never concerned about becoming addicted at all because I don't believe drugs are inherently addictive. And simply put, I didn't want to become addicted so I chose not to :shrug: . For me it really is as simple as that, for myself addiction is a choice and I choose to not use those drugs in such a manner where it's going to dig myself into the depths of addiction....I believe what is addictive and what isn't addictive and the potential for addiction lays entirely within the person and not the drug.


I wouldn't ever suggest anyone to go out and try meth or heroin or other "hard" drugs....but it is possible to give them a try with out ever becoming addicted, though I feel that's not the way it will go for the vast majority of people.



If you never try meth or heroin in your life, I'll say that you're not missing out on much at all lol, they aren't glamorous drugs...I mean they def have a nice high lol, no doubt, there's a reason why so many people are hooked on the garbage...but they're both "shallow" drugs and don't have much to offer to one's "life".....Better "highs" and better times and actual benefits to one's life can be reaped from psychedelics and MDMA.

I totally understand having curiosity about such things :yesnod: , but don't let others around you influence that choice and don't confuse peer pressure/influence with your own genuine curiosity. Don't try something just because those around you are doing it.






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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: openmind]
    #27027036 - 11/07/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yea man always bothers me that even on a site called the shroomery thered still people demonizing diff drugs saying they are better or worse

When really it's only ourselves to attach these characteristics

The drugs are benign, it's you who give them power over yourself


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: stzacrack]
    #27034613 - 11/12/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

unless its from china, all they teach in history is the opium war to justify their killing of americans


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27034638 - 11/12/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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marijuana and mushrooms is all you need :ruggedwink:



What if you go to the dentist??:crankey:


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: Texas Honey Badger]
    #27034842 - 11/12/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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marijuana and mushrooms is all you need :ruggedwink:



What if you go to the dentist??:crankey:



I undergone major jaw surgery while awake with only constant nitrous. They will be fine :ancientaliens:


Edit: jokes aside I believe that is an exception cos mouth/tooth/jaw problems are no joke :/


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    #27038099 - 11/14/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

on one trip, i had a revelation that one reason i'm so damn stable for the most part, is that i recognize intuitively that just because i enjoy learning new things, i recognize there are certain kinds of knowledge that aren't worth knowing - forbidden knowledge, if you will. it's not that i can't learn it, but what would be the point?

an example would be the knowledge of what the experience of setting your hand on fire, or cutting it off would be like, and living with an severely burned or amputated stump would be like. sure, i would gain that knowledge, but at what cost? it would slam other doors of knowledge shut, and while it might be an "interesting" experience, it's not THAT interesting. thus, i forbid myself from such knowledge, erase even the idea of doing so from my mind as ridiculous, and move on with my life, because there's far more interesting things to do. and if events should happen that i DO wind up with an amputated hand, due to an accident - well, ill just have to accept life as it is, move on, and enjoy the experience as best as i can. (and maybe hope for some sort of regeneration treatment in the future.)

hard drugs are definitely in the forbidden knowledge category for me - they just aren't worth the opportunity cost, from what i've seen. an interesting experience, but the downsides are not worth the knowledge gained, from what i've seen in others, time and time again, including my own brother and his experience with meth. psychedelics are the only exception ive seen - those definitely are more like powerful medicine. one to be taken with caution, and not from a mind that's unstable (at least, not without professional guidance), but definitely not a mere drug for getting high.


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Re: Hard Drugs [Re: jdawg333]
    #27038147 - 11/14/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Drug abuse is always a choice. Having a long term love affair with intoxication is an attempt to fill a deep emotional void in one's life. Beware of the popular myth a so called "addict" is powerless over their behavior. I used meth regularly for many years.


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    #27038149 - 11/14/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I hear you, same here.:heart:


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