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Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD?
    #26994981 - 10/20/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not only am I trying to find out my "happy spot" for a perfect dose, I also want to experience what each dose has to offer. Assuming I can get more LSD whenever I want, what is a good dosage increase that is noticeable? I've tried 25ug (boring, a waste of time for me), I've tried 60ug which I think is a really "fun" dose where I could manage going to a club, rave or party without having a bad trip. I tried 200ug which was too strong and I almost panicked so I took a seroquel to tone things down. So from 60, what should my next dose be? Increase by 15ug? 20? 25?

I cancelled a 100ug beach trip I had planned with a couple friends because I wasn't getting good vibes from them every time we spoke on the phone so from now on I'm only tripping solo because it's just too much planning tripping with other people.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 4
    #26995511 - 10/20/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

100ug and 150ug are both worth trying.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: nooneman]
    #26995560 - 10/21/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I find higher doses and lower fun. For example if you have quality gel tabs, half a tab is definitely a full trip for someone who is newer.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: nooneman]
    #26995563 - 10/21/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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100ug and 150ug are both worth trying.



Should I bother doing 75 or 80ug or just go straight to 100? Should I do 125ug before doing 150?


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #26995670 - 10/21/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Just depends on what you like. 100ug is like 60ug but more, 150ug is like 200ug but less. That might sound weird now, but it's accurate. If you want something that's like 200ug but a bit less, then 150ug. If you want 50ug but more, then 100ug. It's hard to say if you would like 125 unless you try 100 and 150 first. If you want more than 100 but less than 150, that's the only way to tell.

If I had to guess, you'll probably like 100 more than 150 because 150 is like 200 but less, and you didn't have such a great time on 200. But you never know. 200 can be a train wreck one time and utterly fantastic the next, very unpredictable, 150 is similar. 100 is infinitely more predictable, but it's not as spectacular and doesn't have the full range of effects that 150 or 200 does. Even 150 doesn't have the full range that 200 does, but it's definitely getting there. Sometimes 150 is too much for me, other times it's not enough. Sometimes it's both.

There's no point in doing less than 100 if you've already done 60 though. 125 might be another matter, it just depends on how you feel about 100 and 150. There's no point in 175 though.

So if I was recommending, I'd definitely suggest 100ug before anything else. That seems like a logical first step.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: nooneman]
    #26995684 - 10/21/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Just depends on what you like. 100ug is like 60ug but more, 150ug is like 200ug but less. That might sound weird now, but it's accurate. If you want something that's like 200ug but a bit less, then 150ug. If you want 50ug but more, then 100ug. It's hard to say if you would like 125 unless you try 100 and 150 first. If you want more than 100 but less than 150, that's the only way to tell.

If I had to guess, you'll probably like 100 more than 150 because 150 is like 200 but less, and you didn't have such a great time on 200. But you never know. 200 can be a train wreck one time and utterly fantastic the next, very unpredictable, 150 is similar. 100 is infinitely more predictable, but it's not as spectacular and doesn't have the full range of effects that 150 or 200 does. Even 150 doesn't have the full range that 200 does, but it's definitely getting there. Sometimes 150 is too much for me, other times it's not enough. Sometimes it's both.

There's no point in doing less than 100 if you've already done 60 though. 125 might be another matter, it just depends on how you feel about 100 and 150. There's no point in 175 though.

So if I was recommending, I'd definitely suggest 100ug before anything else. That seems like a logical first step.



Sweet. Thanks for the explanation. I know exactly what you mean. So here's the thing. This year is my first time since 13 years ago that I'm experimenting with acid again but 13 years ago I didn't know the dose of the tabs but from what I've experienced recently with 25, 60 and 200, I'm assuming that the old hits were about 50ug each. 13 years ago I did 2 tabs, 4 tabs, and then 3, in that order. I never tried just 1. But in that time, 2 hits gave me a light trip but a full experience, 4 hits was too much (I thought I took "too much" and I was convinced I was dead and that I was stuck on an island and that I would be there forever.I didn't know anything about ego death and I was not as spiritually evolved back then as I am now.) But 3 tabs was just perfect which sounds like 150ug from what I've been reading and from what you're telling me. On 3 hits, everything was changing colors rapidly especially art hung on the walls, popcorn ceiling looked like colorful spikes, my mind was in a full trip but I didn't have that "panicky oh my god I took too much and I'm dead" feeling like what 4 tabs did.

So it sounds like 150 is probably my sweet spot if the tabs from 13 years ago were 50 each. I could enjoy 200 if I work my way up and become more experienced but I'm definitely not in a rush. you start to get into some strange realms with 200 like thinking you are dead and stuck on an island or thinking you are an orange LOL. But knowing what I know now, I would be more prepared for the fast come up that 200 gives and be more prepared for it. so when I finally and if I ever do 200 again, I'm definitely going to buckle up my seatbelt and be ready for the ride.

I won't judge the dose, only the set and setting and preparedness.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26997229 - 10/22/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ymmv but here are my numbers (roughly based on % of 220ug dose used):

60ug - Completely functional and able to be in the presence of others. Increased creativity and "deep thought" provoking. Zero issues driving or using sharp objects however I vehemently avoid either and similar activities for obvious reasons.

110ug - A degree and likelihood of "spacing out" becomes relevant placing productive activity such as completing a creative task or project in a distinct "improbable" category.  At this dosage, I would endeavor to either not be in the company of others or restrict said company to others in like state of mind.  Painting, writing and other related forms of creativity are possible, save they aren't dangerous (woodworking, welding, etc).

180ug - Carve out an 8-9hr block of time, isolate or band with other travelers, expect growth, exploration and long periods of not wanting to interact.

Full 220ug and above - Week or two of mental preparation with established intent and reason for voyaging.  A pure devotion to surrendering ego, cause and purpose is attained and I'm not expecting company or I'm with one of only two people I know of that i would go this deep with.

Hope this helps.  It's also worth mentioning that, over the years my sensitivity to it has increased dramatically such that I am not only affected within 20mins [sic] but also I need much less than I did early on to achieve the same state as before.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: alland]
    #26997245 - 10/22/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes that helps, Alland. It's good to know the doses you're familiar with. My pupils are dilated as fuck on 60ug so I wouldn't drive. My pupils are mildly dilated even on 25ug.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 2
    #26997262 - 10/22/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I like to dose between 150 and 250 depending on my mood. But that's now, in other times of my life I've really enjoyed the 100-150 range. 100 is still pretty awesome, trippy enough to space out but clear enough to still maintain coherent conversations with sober people and use fun toys like musical instruments and computers.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26999743 - 10/23/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I would argue that 20 microgram differences is the minimal a person can detect thru experience, but perhaps some people can detect 10 microgram differences between doses. But I would argue that the difference between a 100 micro dose and a 120 micro dose is pretty noticeable.

I love those 50-60 microgram doses. As you said OutsideOfMyMind, it is the perfect dose for clubs, raves, parties (pre-Coronavirus).


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #27018421 - 11/02/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Okay I did 100 micrograms on Halloween night in celebration of the blue moon. To be honest I wish I did more but 100 is definitely a good starting dose I don't think I'll ever do less than a hundred again unless I'm just going to go to a club or rave in the future. It was very clear-headed and honestly I felt sort of sober but with hallucinations and philosophical mindset but then I smoked a little weed and that sort of made my reality different. I did notice that it was slightly difficult to form coherent sentences while talking on the phone with a friend. I have a high tolerance with weed but all I really needed was a few hits. I'm going to do 125ug next time I trip.

Most of my visuals were based on objects and images appearing to be moving farther away from me even though they were stationary.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27018536 - 11/03/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Contrary to popular belief, if I took a dose and it was a little less intense then I wished for you can take more. It’s not the same but I definitely feel the visuals strengthen and whatever. Also, you can take like .5G mushrooms or whatever to heighten the experience.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27018628 - 11/03/20 02:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Contrary to popular belief, if I took a dose and it was a little less intense then I wished for you can take more. It’s not the same but I definitely feel the visuals strengthen and whatever. Also, you can take like .5G mushrooms or whatever to heighten the experience.



Yeah I was sort of wondering if I should take some mushrooms. But I only have two grams left which could be a good trip if I did lemon Tek. Otherwise I would have wasted half the mushrooms I have left.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27018942 - 11/03/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay I did 100 micrograms on Halloween night in celebration of the blue moon. To be honest I wish I did more but 100 is definitely a good starting dose I don't think I'll ever do less than a hundred again unless I'm just going to go to a club or rave in the future. It was very clear-headed and honestly I felt sort of sober but with hallucinations and philosophical mindset but then I smoked a little weed and that sort of made my reality different. I did notice that it was slightly difficult to form coherent sentences while talking on the phone with a friend. I have a high tolerance with weed but all I really needed was a few hits. I'm going to do 125ug next time I trip.

Most of my visuals were based on objects and images appearing to be moving farther away from me even though they were stationary.




Yeah, 100mics can be powerfull, but it's comparable to 1 or 1.5g of dried cubensis mushrooms, strengthwise. My fav dose is 150 to 200 mics.

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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27020149 - 11/03/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay I did 100 micrograms on Halloween night in celebration of the blue moon. To be honest I wish I did more but 100 is definitely a good starting dose I don't think I'll ever do less than a hundred again unless I'm just going to go to a club or rave in the future. It was very clear-headed and honestly I felt sort of sober but with hallucinations and philosophical mindset but then I smoked a little weed and that sort of made my reality different. I did notice that it was slightly difficult to form coherent sentences while talking on the phone with a friend. I have a high tolerance with weed but all I really needed was a few hits. I'm going to do 125ug next time I trip.

Most of my visuals were based on objects and images appearing to be moving farther away from me even though they were stationary.




Yeah, 100mics can be powerfull, but it's comparable to 1 or 1.5g of dried cubensis mushrooms, strengthwise. My fav dose is 150 to 200 mics.

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According to this mushroom and lsd dose converter, 100ug is like 2.5 grams, 125ug is like 3 grams and 150 is like 3.5 grams. 200ug is like 4.8grams. I'm not sure if they mean in terms of visual intensity or mind intensity. lsd shrooms dose converter


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27020901 - 11/04/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well, for me 200mics is like 2.5 to 3 grams.

But my shrooms are usually decently potent, I get mild visuals and a trippy headspace from half a gram. 3g is a full trip, 5g is beeing blinded by colors undable to stand up anymore.

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    #27020931 - 11/04/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I would argue that 20 microgram differences is the minimal a person can detect thru experience, but perhaps some people can detect 10 microgram differences between doses. But I would argue that the difference between a 100 micro dose and a 120 micro dose is pretty noticeable.

I love those 50-60 microgram doses. As you said OutsideOfMyMind, it is the perfect dose for clubs, raves, parties (pre-Coronavirus).




There are some published data suggesting people can discriminate 5, and 10 microgram differences.  I'd be curious of the statistical analyses on this, as I'm a bit skeptical.  Having done similar studies, as you increase the dose of a drug, determining small differences becomes more challenging as absolute does increases.  Using an extreme example, if you blasted someone with a huge dose of 800 micrograms, I doubt they could discern 800 from 820.


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Re: Smallest noticable dose increase for LSD? [Re: badchad]
    #27021564 - 11/04/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Very interesting! Im definitely interested in reading a study like that :takingnotes:

Someday I wish to get my hands on some crystal and do some self-experimentation with dose-response curves, thatd be fun.

And yeah, i think after probably 200 micros, its hard to discern smaller increments such as 10 or 20 micrograms.


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    #27022729 - 11/05/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Very interesting! Im definitely interested in reading a study like that :takingnotes:





This was the study I'm referring to.

Some other studies found effects around 10 micrograms.  So perhaps I stand corrected and these small doses can produce noticeable effects.


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