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Your best friend just died what do you do?
    #27022588 - 11/05/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You and your best friend of 40 years are partying and having a good time. Drinking, smoking some weed, tripping on some shrooms and doing lines of cocaine. Your friend takes a big line and immediately clutches their chest, they are having a heart attack. Your friend gasps with their last breath, "don't let my family find out" and collapses dead on the floor.

Would you honor your best friend's dying wish and try to hide the cause of death?

If yes how far would you be willing to go?
Will you try to hide the cause of death?
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 3
    #27022601 - 11/05/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry fucker.

You're gonna get CPR until the ambulance arrives and the ambulance crew will get to hear cocaine toxicity is involved.

If you get to be cross with me it means you lived.

In the UNITED STATES I would make the excuse of sudden heart attack out of nowhere so that only the medics show up, not the cops - because the DEA is down on cocaine.

In holland, a user quantity of any drug is a low grade misdemeanor, hand it over = no fine.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27022605 - 11/05/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No way. The truth is the truth and particularly with drugs its good to know honest facts for the sake of harm reduction. From personal recent experience it's best to know the truth. Sorry again about your buddy dude.

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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27022694 - 11/05/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Not honoring such last wishes of a dying friend would be like having no friendship at all, IMO.

I wouldn't lie to anyone directly for them, but I'd sure AF go a long way in getting it covered up.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27022702 - 11/05/20 06:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I would hide the body.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27022705 - 11/05/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Not honoring such last wishes of a dying friend would be like having no friendship at all, IMO.






That sounfs noble.

"Having your best friend die over a lie"

Is the flip side of the coin.

If the medics know its a cocaine heart attack it changes the treatment and with it survival odds. Besides they find out anyway, they test for coke on young people having sudden heart attacks because cocaine is the leading cause of young people having sudden heart attacks.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27022723 - 11/05/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That sounfs noble.



You know me man; loyal to the very end, and positively stuffed to the gills with honour.

I would do something like dragging him to the woods and letting him get eaten by a bear so that they wouldn't even think to test for narcotics.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27022727 - 11/05/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My best friend died fairly recently.

It was his time and I think a release for all involved.

But with a sudden drug induced heart attack, try everything to make his last words NOT his final words, try your best to make him survive. That requres a correct diagnosis for the medics.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
    #27022737 - 11/05/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Asante, I appreciate your desire to do everything possible to resucitate the hypothetical friend, I had not intended that to be an option and your hopefulness is heartwarming.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
    #27022739 - 11/05/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Seeing as though the autopsy would reveal drugs in his system it just further seems like living and dying honestly is the best way to go.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #27022757 - 11/05/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Asante, I appreciate your desire to do everything possible to resucitate the hypothetical friend, I had not intended that to be an option and your hopefulness is heartwarming.





We had our OD cases on the Shroomery, and many people came back from multiple deadly doses by swift action by such random people like Sheekle and myself to spur intoxicated people to get emergency response.

Lives were saved here.

If people on opioids like fentanyl stop breathing, they generally will make it if given mouth to mouth, even without heart massage, until the naloxone arrives. Their brain forgets to breathe, if you do the breathing for them they'll metabolize the fent and will live.

Cocaine heart attacks often are by coronary vasospasm. They give you nitro and other vasodilators and the coronary artery opens again without needing bypasses etc. They can also be heart cramps, then valium up the ass comes to their rescue, as with epilepsy.

You gotta be fast though.

10 seconds without a heartbeat and you're unconscious, 10 minutes without breath and you're as good as dead or severely damaged by lack of oxygen.

Ruse the ambulance to come as fast as possible by denying drugs and stressing the medical emergency so there wont be a cop car, then on the scene tell the paramedics the real story so they know what to do right then and there.




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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
    #27022794 - 11/05/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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10 minutes without breath and you're as good as dead or severely damaged by lack of oxygen.




they say 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water or 3 minutes without oxygen, I already knew the first 2 were bullshit, I wasnt sure about the oxygen though


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: gopher]
    #27022798 - 11/05/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: gopher]
    #27022820 - 11/05/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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10 minutes without breath and you're as good as dead or severely damaged by lack of oxygen.




they say 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water or 3 minutes without oxygen, I already knew the first 2 were bullshit, I wasnt sure about the oxygen though



What are the timings for the first two if these are incorrect?


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27022838 - 11/05/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

you can go as long without food as you have fat, the world record is just over a year

lots of people into dry fasting have gone 5-10 days without water

I heard a story of one guy who got locked in prison, and they forgot about him for 18 days and he was still alive, but I had trouble fact checking that one, in fact if you try to search world record for no water like no results come up, like its censored or something


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns] * 1
    #27022841 - 11/05/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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No way. The truth is the truth and particularly with drugs its good to know honest facts for the sake of harm reduction. From personal recent experience it's best to know the truth. Sorry again about your buddy dude.

:hug:





Agreed.  That'd be the most honorable way to go about it, in my opinion. 
I'd wanna respect my friend's wishes, but hiding essential details from a grieving family would keep me up at night.

Not to mention that it's kind of a selfish thing to ask of someone...


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
    #27022918 - 11/05/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

But... deathbed wishes man.

That's a pretty scared and hallowed thing right there.

I'd want mine to be honored no matter what by my bestie. That's true friendship that is.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go] * 2
    #27022935 - 11/05/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:highfive: Thanks dude. I seem to be full of unpopular opinions around here. My brother recently passed from a fentanyl od/poisoning. For years now the Dr's said he's an insomniac and needed this catalog of scripts then said he's narcoleptic and needed that catalog of scripts. But in reality he abused benzos and black market opioids. If he was honest with his Dr's or family he may still be here. Live and die honestly. If you are dying and feel shame for what your dying of and ask for that shame to be concealed your doing the ones you love an injustice the way I see it. Live and die honest.

@jsb but any wish that conceals truth due to personal shame? Idk it seems to be an impulsive and poorly thought out decision from the requestor based on adrenaline. If given time to consider the thought do you think they would they feel the same way?


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27022945 - 11/05/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You see....I'm with JSB 1 million%

If the family asked I would straight tell them to their face that I cant tell them and not to ask me anymore about it and that would be that.


Edit: of course daisy dukes would tell the family :p 


Editx2: @asante, here in the usa I would tell medics to try to save his life because patient doctor confidentiality is a thing here. His family would still not know.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27022968 - 11/05/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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But... deathbed wishes man.

That's a pretty scared and hallowed thing right there.

I'd want mine to be honored no matter what by my bestie. That's true friendship that is.





Do you know what screws with me as for deathbed wishes?

My best friend was secretive by nature. He had a whopper of a secret which would bring considerable relief among his loved ones if it were known.

Even after his death - considerable relief and to some even much earned change.

He asked me to keep a lid on it permanently, including after his death.

I'm doing that but - he is leaving behind everybody SADDER because they don't know about him what I know.

And that sucks.

In my opinion, for no good reason at all but his secetive nature.

Now everybody is burdened by this situation, including me, I'm stuck holding an infomation bomb that would cause relief to his loved ones that I cannot drop.

That fucks with me.

If I told you you'd be angry at him for withholding it from his loved ones over such a trivial reason.

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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27022972 - 11/05/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
But... deathbed wishes man.

That's a pretty scared and hallowed thing right there.

I'd want mine to be honored no matter what by my bestie. That's true friendship that is.





I see it differently.  I wouldn't call up the family, and just blurt it out.  But yeah, if I was asked if I knew anything so that my friends family could have some closure...I'd give it up, and I know my dead friend would understand.


I agree with this...

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@jsb but any wish that conceals truth due to personal shame? Idk it seems to be an impulsive and poorly thought out decision from the requestor based on adrenaline. If given time to consider the thought do you think they would they feel the same way?




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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
    #27022978 - 11/05/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If family was truly close then they would respect his wishes.

Edit: can you tell them the situation honestly? That you cant tell them*


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
    #27022985 - 11/05/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
But... deathbed wishes man.

That's a pretty scared and hallowed thing right there.

I'd want mine to be honored no matter what by my bestie. That's true friendship that is.





I see it differently.  I wouldn't call up the family, and just blurt it out.  But yeah, if I was asked if I knew anything so that my friends family could have some closure...I'd give it up, and I know my dead friend would understand.


I agree with this...

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@jsb but any wish that conceals truth due to personal shame? Idk it seems to be an impulsive and poorly thought out decision from the requestor based on adrenaline. If given time to consider the thought do you think they would they feel the same way?






Bullshit if I was your dead friend I'd come back and punch you in the kneecap :house:


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    #27022990 - 11/05/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If family was truly close then they would respect his wishes.






That's just silly.  We're talking about some drugs here...

If my friend died of asphyxiation while jerking off to some animal porn...I'd keep his secret.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
    #27023002 - 11/05/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No it's the real selfishness in the room. They want someone who is not them to conform to their wishes just so they can feel better.

Edit: and if the family wasnt pressuring to know then you would be selfish for telling.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
    #27023003 - 11/05/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well personal integrity and good judgment need to be honored as well when going about all aspects of daily life that we are privileged enough to still live. Consider now if your friend was alive what thier wish would be. Unburdening of loved ones or concealment of a personal treasured fact? I think one must respect a dying wish but recognize if said wish is unreasonable, immoral or insensitive. The thoughts of an aged or dwindling mind don't tend to be entire.

@spirit_shadow sorry we see things so differently on the topic. Obviously there's a lot of situational matter to consider case by case but I've buried enough friends to personal feel we need to live and die honestly.


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    #27023006 - 11/05/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Keeping a secret is not lying.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27023007 - 11/05/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27023011 - 11/05/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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No it's the real selfishness in the room. They want someone who is not them to conform to their wishes just so they can feel better.

Edit: and if the family wasnt pressuring to know then you would be selfish for telling.





You have a point, but that's family.

If I knew the family was crazy, and might disown the dead son over a little drug use...I might reconsider.  However, if I knew that it'd bring them closure, and peace...I wouldn't hesitate.  Once again...I know my friend wouldn't hold it against me.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27023059 - 11/05/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think families keep cause of death hidden frequently. My wife's childhood friend died of a brain aneurism at 43 which is the story they went with. It was true but incomplete as the aneurism was caused by a speedball. I had a 2nd cousin dead at 36 from massive coronary caused by an enlarged heart from 2 decades of heavy opioid use which of course is not talked about.

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If family was truly close then they would respect his wishes.

Edit: can you tell them the situation honestly? That you cant tell them*




Thinking about this I would level with a spouse, but I don't think I would tell the truth to the kids, I would leave that decision to the spouse.


@greenhorns I really respect your opinion and am coming around to the realization that keeping it hidden is not harm reduction. :hug:


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27023074 - 11/05/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you make sure he lives, his family need never find out :shrug:


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Tripsurfer] * 2
    #27023093 - 11/05/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's a pretty shitty thing to burden people with...the moment of death is when you should make peace with those around you, not saddle someone with a burden while you cop out and die! It's like someone thanking you in advance for a major task and leaving the room before you can say no. Your moribund ass might never consider the implications and unforeseen consequences that someone else will have to live with for the rest of their life.

As someone stated above, if it was simply embarrassing like autoerotic asphyxiation I'd just leave out the details, but if it was an overdose, I might be inclined to tell them, and perhaps give some insight as to what led them in that direction. Their parents, for instance, might have to do some soul-searching if they were abusive and found that out.

Interesting topic! There's not really one clear answer here and I think everyone's perspective is pretty valid.


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    #27023206 - 11/05/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a pretty shitty thing to burden people with...the moment of death is when you should make peace with those around you, not saddle someone with a burden while you cop out and die! It's like someone thanking you in advance for a major task and leaving the room before you can say no. Your moribund ass might never consider the implications and unforeseen consequences that someone else will have to live with for the rest of their life.

As someone stated above, if it was simply embarrassing like autoerotic asphyxiation I'd just leave out the details, but if it was an overdose, I might be inclined to tell them, and perhaps give some insight as to what led them in that direction. Their parents, for instance, might have to do some soul-searching if they were abusive and found that out.

Interesting topic! There's not really one clear answer here and I think everyone's perspective is pretty valid.



I'd respect my friend until I die and if the family couldnt understand then well, that really wouldn't be my problem. It would be something only they could work out internally.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27023261 - 11/05/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just thinking that it might give them some closure, or time to change their ways, if they knew something they did may have set my friend on that path. If I said he just spontaneously died and, let's say he had young siblings, the parents might be able to prevent it from happening again by changing the way they interact with their kids.

That's a pretty specific case though, it's tough because you don't want to betray someone's dying wish.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27023272 - 11/05/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd respect my friend until I die and if the family couldnt understand then well, that really wouldn't be my problem. It would be something only they could work out internally.





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There's not really one clear answer here and I think everyone's perspective is pretty valid.





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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
    #27023279 - 11/05/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Once again...I know my friend wouldn't hold it against me.



I'd be hella upset if I could look down from above and see that a friend betrayed my dying wish.


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    #27023297 - 11/05/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That's unfortunate, to hold something like that over another even in death. 

If I were the dead guy, and saw that my friend "betrayed" my dying wish...I'd know he did it for good reason, and I'd try my best to understand his position.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27023301 - 11/05/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd have lied about that shit even if he didn't ask me to


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
    #27023460 - 11/05/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd respect my friend until I die and if the family couldnt understand then well, that really wouldn't be my problem. It would be something only they could work out internally.





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There's not really one clear answer here and I think everyone's perspective is pretty valid.





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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27023479 - 11/05/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd tell the medics and the doctors and everything, but when the family asked, I'd just say he clutched his chest and fell over and seemed to have a heart attack. I'd take him to the hospital myself and be 100% honest with the docs and everything.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27023505 - 11/05/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You and your best friend of 40 years are partying and having a good time. Drinking, smoking some weed, tripping on some shrooms and doing lines of cocaine. Your friend takes a big line and immediately clutches their chest, they are having a heart attack. Your friend gasps with their last breath, "don't let my family find out" and collapses dead on the floor.

Would you honor your best friend's dying wish and try to hide the cause of death?

If yes how far would you be willing to go?



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    #27023511 - 11/05/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #27023523 - 11/05/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Not telling where I buried the body.


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    #27023612 - 11/05/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mourn?


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #27023812 - 11/05/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #27023958 - 11/05/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #27023993 - 11/05/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #27024311 - 11/06/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you ate the body of your OD friend whould you also OD?


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    #27024315 - 11/06/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

With Fentanyl, it could.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
    #27024375 - 11/06/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I disagree. The dose to kill a body vs dose necessary to kill if you ate that body. No way.

But seriously, somebody near the top of the post said quite accurately that the hospital will know about the coke anyway. I would say 100% certainty of that.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27025461 - 11/06/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I never expected this to end up in a discussion about cannabilism, but yet here we are... one must consider in my hypothetical that you have already consumed drugs and any drugs added to your body from consumption of your friend would be on top of that. On the other hand a whole human could not be consumed by one person in on sitting, probably multiple people or many meals would be needed. I suppose if you were a chef you could feed your friend to people... :hmm:


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27025468 - 11/06/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

P.s. I did not anticipate all the people pulling a Kobayashi Maru on the scenario. I should have set this way out in the woods, beyond the reach of medical care.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
    #27025476 - 11/06/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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With Fentanyl, it could.


Fatal doses compared:







That blows my mind how minuscule the amount of fent and carfentanil a lethal dosage is. It's basically a chemical weapon masked as an opiate.

Even in a solution it would still seem so unsafe and probably almost impossible to distribute evenly even in a liquid solution.

Sugar, burgers, steaks, roasts, belly, the whole works. Maybe even some head cheese :gameover:

I did pulled/braised pigs face before. It was so trippy, I saw it done on food network and asked my supplier if he could bring me a cleaned pigs head.   


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    #27025485 - 11/06/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I heard with animals the fat behind the eyeballs is the best part


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    #27025490 - 11/06/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There you err!

The moment you dissolve a chemical in a solvent, the chemical gets mixed with the solvent on the molecular level. That level is so incredibly tiny (there are 1021 atoms in a lump of sugar) that the differences between one cc and the other is so incredibly minute that science can hardly measure it. So, in a practical example, there are roughly 30,000 eye dropper drops of liquid in a liter bottle of smirnoff vodka. If you dissolve 0.1 gram carfentanil into that, then every eyedropper drop is roughly 3.33 micrograms of carfentanil, which just about equates to 33mg morphine, or in other words, a good buzz.

So, 0.1gr carfentanil + 1 liter smirnoff = 30,000 eyedropper drops, each a good strong dose.

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    #27025627 - 11/06/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That is so potent its terrifying


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    #27025815 - 11/06/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why is such a chemical even being produced? Is there a legitimate pharmaceutical purpose?


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    #27025829 - 11/06/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I know they use carfentanil for large animals like elephants.


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    #27026137 - 11/07/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

When they burn the nerves in my back (radio frequency ablation) I get IV fent along with a benzo. It is quite effective at preventing me from feeling any pain aith no real euphoria or nod.


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    #27026143 - 11/07/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Why is such a chemical even being produced? Is there a legitimate pharmaceutical purpose?





Highly potent fentanyl derivatives are used as opioid-based anesthetics, examples sufentanil, remifentanil, carfentanil.

They generally have a high margin of safety if the patient is on a ventilator. Of course if he isn't, he dies of respiratory depression like with other opioids.

Fentanyls have a very wide margin of unconsciousness before shutting down the heart if the patient is on a ventilator.

Sufentanil now also is used in a 5 day or 1 week anti pain patch, which can be very discreet in size because the drug is ultrapotent:




Its my opinion that cattle and pigs should be euthanized with carfentanil in the slaughterhouse to make the death fully humane, while affordable and the meat being edible still.


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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27026161 - 11/07/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So scary that something we use to sedate elephants with is also used on humans. And infuriating that there are pantloads out there putting it where it doesn't belong.

I've had similar thoughts in my lifetime regarding slaughter practices and why we don't go about it in a manner as you suggested.


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    #27026183 - 11/07/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

its cheaper to slit a throat or use a bolt gun, even with the subsidies given to the meat industry, meat prices would rise if we changed it up, the meat industry is in a bubble that gives us cheap meat, im deathly afraid of it bursting, as meat is my favourite food and even want to try carnivore/zero carb for a while


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