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Your best friend just died what do you do?
#27022588 - 11/05/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You and your best friend of 40 years are partying and having a good time. Drinking, smoking some weed, tripping on some shrooms and doing lines of cocaine. Your friend takes a big line and immediately clutches their chest, they are having a heart attack. Your friend gasps with their last breath, "don't let my family find out" and collapses dead on the floor.
Would you honor your best friend's dying wish and try to hide the cause of death?
If yes how far would you be willing to go?
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 3
#27022601 - 11/05/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry fucker.
You're gonna get CPR until the ambulance arrives and the ambulance crew will get to hear cocaine toxicity is involved.
If you get to be cross with me it means you lived.
In the UNITED STATES I would make the excuse of sudden heart attack out of nowhere so that only the medics show up, not the cops - because the DEA is down on cocaine.
In holland, a user quantity of any drug is a low grade misdemeanor, hand it over = no fine.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante] 1
#27022605 - 11/05/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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No way. The truth is the truth and particularly with drugs its good to know honest facts for the sake of harm reduction. From personal recent experience it's best to know the truth. Sorry again about your buddy dude.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns]
#27022694 - 11/05/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not honoring such last wishes of a dying friend would be like having no friendship at all, IMO.
I wouldn't lie to anyone directly for them, but I'd sure AF go a long way in getting it covered up.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#27022702 - 11/05/20 06:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would hide the body.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27022705 - 11/05/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Not honoring such last wishes of a dying friend would be like having no friendship at all, IMO.
That sounfs noble.
"Having your best friend die over a lie"
Is the flip side of the coin.
If the medics know its a cocaine heart attack it changes the treatment and with it survival odds. Besides they find out anyway, they test for coke on young people having sudden heart attacks because cocaine is the leading cause of young people having sudden heart attacks.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante] 1
#27022723 - 11/05/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: That sounfs noble.
You know me man; loyal to the very end, and positively stuffed to the gills with honour.
I would do something like dragging him to the woods and letting him get eaten by a bear so that they wouldn't even think to test for narcotics.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27022727 - 11/05/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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My best friend died fairly recently.
It was his time and I think a release for all involved.
But with a sudden drug induced heart attack, try everything to make his last words NOT his final words, try your best to make him survive. That requres a correct diagnosis for the medics.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
#27022737 - 11/05/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante, I appreciate your desire to do everything possible to resucitate the hypothetical friend, I had not intended that to be an option and your hopefulness is heartwarming.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
#27022739 - 11/05/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seeing as though the autopsy would reveal drugs in his system it just further seems like living and dying honestly is the best way to go.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 2
#27022757 - 11/05/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: Asante, I appreciate your desire to do everything possible to resucitate the hypothetical friend, I had not intended that to be an option and your hopefulness is heartwarming.
We had our OD cases on the Shroomery, and many people came back from multiple deadly doses by swift action by such random people like Sheekle and myself to spur intoxicated people to get emergency response.
Lives were saved here.
If people on opioids like fentanyl stop breathing, they generally will make it if given mouth to mouth, even without heart massage, until the naloxone arrives. Their brain forgets to breathe, if you do the breathing for them they'll metabolize the fent and will live.
Cocaine heart attacks often are by coronary vasospasm. They give you nitro and other vasodilators and the coronary artery opens again without needing bypasses etc. They can also be heart cramps, then valium up the ass comes to their rescue, as with epilepsy.
You gotta be fast though.
10 seconds without a heartbeat and you're unconscious, 10 minutes without breath and you're as good as dead or severely damaged by lack of oxygen.
Ruse the ambulance to come as fast as possible by denying drugs and stressing the medical emergency so there wont be a cop car, then on the scene tell the paramedics the real story so they know what to do right then and there.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Asante]
#27022794 - 11/05/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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10 minutes without breath and you're as good as dead or severely damaged by lack of oxygen.
they say 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water or 3 minutes without oxygen, I already knew the first 2 were bullshit, I wasnt sure about the oxygen though
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: gopher]
#27022798 - 11/05/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Butt stuff time
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: gopher]
#27022820 - 11/05/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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gopher said:
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10 minutes without breath and you're as good as dead or severely damaged by lack of oxygen.
they say 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water or 3 minutes without oxygen, I already knew the first 2 were bullshit, I wasnt sure about the oxygen though
What are the timings for the first two if these are incorrect?
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27022838 - 11/05/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can go as long without food as you have fat, the world record is just over a year
lots of people into dry fasting have gone 5-10 days without water
I heard a story of one guy who got locked in prison, and they forgot about him for 18 days and he was still alive, but I had trouble fact checking that one, in fact if you try to search world record for no water like no results come up, like its censored or something
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns] 1
#27022841 - 11/05/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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GreenHorns said: No way. The truth is the truth and particularly with drugs its good to know honest facts for the sake of harm reduction. From personal recent experience it's best to know the truth. Sorry again about your buddy dude.

Agreed. That'd be the most honorable way to go about it, in my opinion. I'd wanna respect my friend's wishes, but hiding essential details from a grieving family would keep me up at night. Not to mention that it's kind of a selfish thing to ask of someone...
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go]
#27022918 - 11/05/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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But... deathbed wishes man.
That's a pretty scared and hallowed thing right there.
I'd want mine to be honored no matter what by my bestie. That's true friendship that is.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: 1234go] 2
#27022935 - 11/05/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks dude. I seem to be full of unpopular opinions around here. My brother recently passed from a fentanyl od/poisoning. For years now the Dr's said he's an insomniac and needed this catalog of scripts then said he's narcoleptic and needed that catalog of scripts. But in reality he abused benzos and black market opioids. If he was honest with his Dr's or family he may still be here. Live and die honestly. If you are dying and feel shame for what your dying of and ask for that shame to be concealed your doing the ones you love an injustice the way I see it. Live and die honest.
@jsb but any wish that conceals truth due to personal shame? Idk it seems to be an impulsive and poorly thought out decision from the requestor based on adrenaline. If given time to consider the thought do you think they would they feel the same way?
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: GreenHorns]
#27022945 - 11/05/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You see....I'm with JSB 1 million%
If the family asked I would straight tell them to their face that I cant tell them and not to ask me anymore about it and that would be that.
Edit: of course daisy dukes would tell the family :p
Editx2: @asante, here in the usa I would tell medics to try to save his life because patient doctor confidentiality is a thing here. His family would still not know.
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Re: Your best friend just died what do you do? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#27022968 - 11/05/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: But... deathbed wishes man.
That's a pretty scared and hallowed thing right there.
I'd want mine to be honored no matter what by my bestie. That's true friendship that is.
Do you know what screws with me as for deathbed wishes?
My best friend was secretive by nature. He had a whopper of a secret which would bring considerable relief among his loved ones if it were known.
Even after his death - considerable relief and to some even much earned change.
He asked me to keep a lid on it permanently, including after his death.
I'm doing that but - he is leaving behind everybody SADDER because they don't know about him what I know.
And that sucks.
In my opinion, for no good reason at all but his secetive nature.
Now everybody is burdened by this situation, including me, I'm stuck holding an infomation bomb that would cause relief to his loved ones that I cannot drop.
That fucks with me.
If I told you you'd be angry at him for withholding it from his loved ones over such a trivial reason.
It sucks.
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