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BIOMA



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Ethanol extraction 1
#27021121 - 11/04/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im following Virginia Haze and DR. K. Mandrake, phD ethanol extraction method described in their book The Psilocybin Chef.
The extraction method goes as follows:
100 ml ethanol per 10 grams of cracker dried mushrooms.
The method is quite simple
*Grind the mushrooms *Add the powdered mushrooms to a clean jar *Pour the ethanol over the jar of powdered mushrooms *Swirl or stir it all up *Put the lid on the jar and let it rest overnight *Shake the jar on the next day *Filter to a clean jar using a coffee filter *Squeeze the filter gently to get all drops out *Pour the extracted liquid into a clean, shallow baking dish and let it evaporate down to 20 ml. *Store in brown dropper
This seem to work, but I have a few questions.
1) Would 70% ethanol also work fine? why?
2) Some TEK's also heat the ethanol up tp 70* Celcius, is that better worse?
3) This TEK for sure works, but is it really extracting all the psilocybin?
4) Can you please point me to the best TEK you know for a simple extraction?
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: BIOMA]
#27021136 - 11/04/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25176006#25176006
Add ethanol if desired to bring solution to 25-30% ABV to make shelf stable
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: BIOMA]
#27021138 - 11/04/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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1: 70% also works fine because water actually is far more efficient at extracting what you want than alcohol is. It is my humble opinion that the 30% water is what is doing most of the heavy lifting in the extraction
2: If you heat high purity ethanol to 70C it will be boiling and evaporating at a high rate, can't see how that helps matters
3: No extraction is extracting all of anything. What I mean is there is almost no extraction known that is 100% efficient
4: search the site for a tea making recipe, there are honestly so many
but the essence of it goes:
make tea you like
add shrooms
boil for a bit
strain shrooms out
drink tea
trip balls
much easier and cheaper than messing with alcohol, probably more efficient and reliable too. If you want to store it then make extra tea and freeze it for later
all the best with it
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BIOMA



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Great answer, thank you!
Just about point 2: High rate evaporation is useful for saving some time. However, I thought maybe this also helps the extraction process, but I have no idea, my knowledge on chemistry is close to 0.
Tea extraction is cool, but my point in doing this ethanol extractions is having a very concentrated liquid, with a big amount of psilocybin, that is shelf stable for at least one year.
Am I doing this right?
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: BIOMA]
#27024481 - 11/06/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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absolutely I think you are doing it right if that is your strict aim
you are of course correct in that most compounds are more soluble in a warmer solvent than a cold one. I guess you could reflux boil the alcohol so you aren't really losing it to the atmosphere or something like that, seems easy enough but be aware alcohol and air mixtures are prone to flash ignition and subsequent explosion lol
however in practical reality anyway the ethanol extractions that are typically done with everclear, spyritus, or basically any 95ish percent ethanol for drinking do not always prove reliable for whatever reason IME
So whether you end up with a potent extraction is not always assured, and the process which would guarantee a high strength extraction is not clearly defined... honestly I can not make sense of why it works sometimes and other times it doesn't work so well, perhaps I'm an idiot
Tried a few different methods with alcohol, none were as good as plain old water just acidified a touch to about pH 6
If you want a strong water extract the same principle applies and you could boil it down to a theoretically tiny amount, especially if it was very well filtered to remove gunk. Should be able to contain more psilo in an amount of water than in that same amount of alcohol. TBH I have never tried to go down to tincture level with a water extract so I can't say how it'll go for sure
In any case I ain't trying to sell you one way or the other but if you have good luck with ethanol then let us know what your methods were and I'd be willing to revisit it and try again maybe
good times
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Edited by SingularFusion (11/06/20 06:37 AM)
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: BIOMA]
#27939983 - 09/08/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I tried the recipe in the book on 10g of semilanceata using lab grade 96% ethanol. The extract was very weak, I'd say I lost 2/3 of the psilocybin. I even did an ultrasonic bath in the ethanol. The liquid still smells and tastes like shrooms when added to orange juice or whatever, so not worth it even if 70% ethanol would extract more.
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: Bismillah] 1
#27940024 - 09/08/22 08:27 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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When you make tea you can also just slowly cook it down constantly stirring it to make a super concentrated tea also.
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: rumfor69]
#27940113 - 09/08/22 10:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Does pure psilocybin help with the nauseous feeling that the shrooms give? If so, ill have to give this a try.
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: Kibby] 2
#27940132 - 09/08/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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i make cannabis extracts for a living and i have a whole laboratory to play with, so naturally i wanted to make some shroom extracts. every alcohol extraction ive tried has been a waste of time. every cold water blue juice extraction ive tried has been a waste of time
1. blend lemon juice, water, and dried shrooms 2. boil for about 5 minutes 3. let cool and strain 4. thats it
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Quote:
Bakedbeings said: i make cannabis extracts for a living and i have a whole laboratory to play with, so naturally i wanted to make some shroom extracts. every alcohol extraction ive tried has been a waste of time. every cold water blue juice extraction ive tried has been a waste of time
1. blend lemon juice, water, and dried shrooms 2. boil for about 5 minutes 3. let cool and strain 4. thats it
Thereβs really no point to an ethanol extraction at all when this is an option.
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Re: Ethanol extraction [Re: Kibby]
#27941449 - 09/09/22 04:43 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kibby said: Does pure psilocybin help with the nauseous feeling that the shrooms give? If so, ill have to give this a try.
An extract is not pure psilocybin. And as several have here have experienced, alcohol extraction is a waste of good shrooms. I don't get nausea but I can say the drink I made with extract was foul and gave me shroom burps. Similar to straight lemon tek.
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