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U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party
    #2702068 - 05/19/04 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

U.S. Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Party

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S. helicopter fired on a wedding party in the remote desert near the border with Syria, killing more than 40 people, most of them women and children, Iraqi officials said. The U.S. military said it was investigating..."

christ.  :thumbdown:  i wonder if they used a missile or what...

anyone recall that film of those insurgents getting taken out by that apache helicopter?



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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: ]
    #2702080 - 05/19/04 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thats pretty bad....

Are most Iraqi weddings held in the middle of the night in a very desolate wasteland?


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    #2702101 - 05/19/04 05:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

God, I was afraid the Iraq invasion would make us look bad, but this is just too much.


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    #2702121 - 05/19/04 05:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Iraqis interviewed on the videotape said revelers had fired volleys of gunfire into the air in a traditional wedding celebration before the attack took place. American troops have sometimes mistaken celebratory gunfire for hostile fire.




That seems to be a very bad idea.


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2702453 - 05/19/04 07:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed. Unfortunately celebratory gunfire seems to be a popular custom in Iraq and Afghanistan. Countless wedding parties have been wiped out in the last 3 years because of itchy trigger fingers.  :nonono:

Maybe the American troops need to re-evaluate their rules of engagement.


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: ]
    #2702871 - 05/19/04 09:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.j...=20040519ANS128

U.S. Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Party
By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S. helicopter fired on a wedding party in the remote desert near the border with Syria, killing more than 40 people, most of them women and children, Iraqi officials said. The U.S. military said it was investigating.

Associated Press Television News footage showed a truck containing bloodied bodies, many wrapped in blankets, piled one atop the other. Several were children, one of whom had been decapitated.

The attack occurred about 2:45 a.m. in a desert region near the border with Syria and Jordan, according to Lt. Col. Ziyad al-Jbouri, deputy police chief of the city of Ramadi. He said between 42 and 45 people died, including 15 children and 10 women. Dr. Salah al-Ani, who works at a hospital in Ramadi, put the death toll at 45.

The area, a desolate region populated only by shepherds, is popular with smugglers, including weapons smugglers, and the U.S. military suspects militants use it as a route to slip in from Syria to fight the Americans. It is under constant surveillance by American forces.


Iraqis interviewed on the videotape said revelers had fired volleys of gunfire into the air in a traditional wedding celebration before the attack took place. American troops have sometimes mistaken celebratory gunfire for hostile fire.


Lt. Col. Dan Williams, a U.S. military spokesman, said the military was investigating.


``I cannot comment on this because we have not received any reports from our units that this has happened nor that any were involved in such a tragedy,'' Williams wrote in an e-mail in response to a question from The Associated Press.


``We take all these requests seriously and we have forwarded this inquiry to the Joint Operations Center for further review and any other information that may be available,'' Williams said.


The video footage showed mourners with shovels digging graves over a wide dusty area in Ramadi, the provincial capital where the bodies had been taken to obtain death certificates. A group of men crouched and wept around one coffin.


Al-Ani, the doctor, said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters later arrived and attacked the area. Two houses were destroyed, he said.


``This was a wedding and the (U.S.) planes came and attacked the people at a house. Is this the democracy and freedom that (President) Bush has brought us?'' said a man on the videotape, Dahham Harraj. ``There was no reason.''


Another man shown on the tape, who refused to give his name, said the victims were at a wedding party ``and the U.S. military planes came... and started killing everyone in the house.''


In July 2002, Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were killed and 117 wounded by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan's Uruzgan province. An investigative report released by the U.S. Central Command said the airstrike was justified because American planes had come under fire.


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    #2703234 - 05/19/04 11:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently the Army thought they were shooting at a terrorist safe house. Very unfortunate incident to be sure if it was just a wedding party. Unfortunately this is part of war.


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: shakta]
    #2703883 - 05/20/04 01:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Unfortunately this is part of war.

What "war" are you referring to?


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Pa [Re: Xlea321]
    #2703933 - 05/20/04 01:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I thought the mission was accomplished.

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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: ]
    #2704297 - 05/20/04 03:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For nukes, they have this elaborate system to make it so no one man can fire a nuke...

But they give these machines, with all their firepower, to one or two guys. Instead of a soldier shooting a person or two (a tragedy on it's own), 40 people are killed by weapon systems designed to tear tank armor apart...at the command of one man's hands :mad:


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Pa [Re: shakta]
    #2704467 - 05/20/04 04:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

shakta: Unfortunately this is part of war.

yuck. This has nothing at all to do with war, its just another perfect example of the American military's psychotic lack of respect for human life, ignorance and stupidity. (not to mention a complete lack of cultural understanding and military intelligence)

If you are going to dream up petty rationalizations, think them through.

luvdemshrooms: That seems to be a very bad idea.

double yuck. Cant you just be shocked, saddened ans ashamed? how can you in any way, attempt to blame this on these people, who were obviously raped of their lives????


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Pa [Re: Positronius]
    #2704502 - 05/20/04 05:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

While it's a shame, shooting guns into the air is plainly a very stupid thing to do.

Like it or not, they share the blame.


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: shakta]
    #2704546 - 05/20/04 06:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Shak! good to see you back...I see your absence hasnt made u any wiser!! j/k!  :grin:


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: GazzBut]
    #2705045 - 05/20/04 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure he's ever really been away Gazz... :laugh:


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    #2705269 - 05/20/04 01:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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    #2705319 - 05/20/04 01:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bingo :wink:

They've become so obsessed with force protection and having a low body count (only on their side, though) that collateral damage doesn't matter anymore.


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Pa [Re: Positronius]
    #2705385 - 05/20/04 01:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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2 words combined that cant make sense.


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: shroomerylurker]
    #2706824 - 05/20/04 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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shroomerylurker said:
I can tell you what I think happens.

American's don't send troops down to investagate there intelegence leads.

They would rather kill other's civilans then send home a few more body bags with US flags rapped around them.

Most likely the people they got there info from had a political reason to have US guns take them out.

seems simple to me, but I am not claming to know everything.




Maybe all of the insurgents should disguise all their actives as weddings. This way they can fire all they want and when American's go to investigate it is just wedding celebration.

What a great idea.


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    #2708375 - 05/20/04 11:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Hey Shak! good to see you back...I see your absence hasnt made u any wiser!! j/k!  :grin:




I can see that all of you are relying on the same old tired arguments. :evil:

Let's have a quick review.

1. The phase of the war to take over Iraq is over. No one ever said the war was over.

2. The mission to oust Saddam was completed, thus mission accomplished.

This is so very simple I can't believe some of you still don't get it. I swear I almost want Bush to lose the election so we get to nitpic everything the flip flopper says. :grin:


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Re: U.S. Helicopter Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Wedding Party [Re: ]
    #2709291 - 05/21/04 02:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

not supriseing. ive got a unreleased CNN clip with soldiers killing inocent iraqis walking down the street like its a game, then laughing about it when the reporter interveiws them


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