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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 3
#27016533 - 11/01/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I’ve been making pretty decent predictions about covid the entire pandemic. It’s not that hard because there’s a lot of data. not sure why you’re so bad at it.
Last Tuesday:
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koods said: The US is gonna have a day over 100,000 new cases this week
Not so accurate on deaths though.
Really? Remember this post from early July?
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Ahab McBathsalts said: I don't understand the point you are arguing for.
Are you mad at the virus? the science? the government? or Koods? or all of the above.
Right.
First, koods has been posting states with increases in covid cases and said that by July 5th, there would be an explosion of deaths. I am arguing that that is not happening, hence the numbers I posted in the OP.
July 4th was the day the US deaths bottomed out. July 5th they started rising rapidly and doubled by the end of the month. That entire @koods thread is some of your most embarrassing work.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
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koods said: What is your case?
I don’t think you understand half the shit you post
False positives are being reported due to PCR test picking up virus particles from people who have previously been exposed, have gotten over an illness and is still shedding dead, inactive viral particles.
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What’s the problem ?

In some people, the virus can be found by PCR in the nose and throat for several weeks, even longer than their infectious period (the time that they are contagious to other people).
So what youre trying to say ia that people who were infected but got over it shouldnt count as toward the infection rate? Or that that is a false positive somehow? Thats some stupid reasoning.
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Actually koods. How July 5th came into play is like this. Original covid main thread, page 627. 6/21/20 12;02 PM
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Yet, people have been out at beaches, protesting, rioting, eating out at restaurants, etc, etc. For how long?
And what was predicted is happening. In another two weeks, deaths will be exploding.
This is what prompted me to start @koods thread. Specifically looking at Florida on July 5th.
Which looked like this.

You clearly say "deaths will be exploding" and I beg to differ. It wasn't until after two weeks that deaths began to increase, at the end of your original two weeks in question in which it had only raised from 33 to 44, in the state of Florida, which your post specified. Not for the entire country, as you are now claiming to be correct on.
Now, I really find this interesting stuff, because of this.
Published: March 28, 2020, 4:03 pm Updated: March 28, 2020, 6:37 pm
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/03/28/desantis-shipments-of-drug-hydroxychloroquine-to-help-covid-19-on-way-to-florida/
And then this happens.
June 4, 2020
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study

Very intriguing to see what happens to cases after that lancet study was retracted.
Two weeks after the Lancet study was retracted, we see this in Florida.


I can already hear koods arguments, saying "see look, deaths DID start to explode after two weeks. You're wrong again, see, you're stupid."
To counter.

Of those 11,943 cases at peak, 184 died after 18 days, at peak. That's a 1.54% CFR after 18 days, if I'm not mistaken, (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG HERE.)
https://www.usapopulation.org/florida-population/
"Florida has the third largest population in USA with population over 20.6 million, which accounts for 6.38% of the US population. It is also the 8th most densely populated state in US."
20.6 MILLION PEOPLE.
184 is 0.00089320388349515% of 20600000.
What is there to argue anymore? Covid isn't nearly as lethal as projected and people need to move on and get over their own fears and anxieties of falling ill, start eating healthier and GET BACK TO WORK!!!
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27018054 - 11/02/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, there is no chance of long term side effects.
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SirTripAlot said: Yeah, there is no chance of long term side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html
Common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1, usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. Most people get infected with one or more of these viruses at some point in their lives. This information applies to common human coronaviruses and should not be confused with coronavirus disease 2019 (formerly referred to as 2019 Novel Coronavirus).
Coronavirus 19 causes SARS, which is said to cause coronavirus 19 disease, AKA Covid-19.
For what Wikipedia is worth, here goes nothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome
"Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1), the first-identified strain of the SARS coronavirus species severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV). The syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak. In late 2017, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of Asian palm civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Yunnan."
IMO, Severe acute respiratory syndrome is a disease caused by coronaviruses, similar to other cold coronaviruses.
There is a winter burden of death, where plant life dies and discontinues filtering out CO2, temporarily increasing the amount of CO2 in our environment during winter months. Temperatures are cold and people mostly stay indoors, in a large city, many people live in small apartments and densely populated.
Sick building syndrome is a thing that OSHA is aware of.
With that in mind, here's this.
"The SARS epidemic appears to have started in Guangdong, China,[clarification needed] in November 2002 where the first case was reported that same month. The patient, a farmer from Shunde, Foshan, Guangdong, was treated in the First People's Hospital of Foshan. The patient died soon after, and no definite diagnosis was made on his cause of death. Despite taking some action to control it, Chinese government officials did not inform the World Health Organization of the outbreak until February 2003. This lack of openness caused delays in efforts to control the epidemic, resulting in criticism of the People's Republic of China from the international community. China officially apologized for early slowness in dealing with the SARS epidemic."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong
Guangdong (alternately romanized as Canton Province or Kwangtung) is a coastal province in South China on the north shore of South China Sea. The capital of the province is Guangzhou. With a population of 113.46 million (as of 2018[6]) across a total area of about 179,800 km2 (69,400 sq mi),[2] Guangdong is the most populous province of China and the 15th-largest by area. Its economy is larger than that of any other province in the nation and the 4th largest sub-national economy in the world with a GDP size of 1.47 trillion US dollars (9.73 trillion Chinese yuan) in 2018.
SARS broke out of a large city. SARS2 broke out of Wuhan.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/wuhan-population
"Wuhan is a city located in Central China. It is the largest city in the region, and it is also the capital of the Hubei province. This city has the nickname “the Chicago of China” because it is a hub for transportation. The city has a very large population, with the most current estimates putting it at 10,607,700."
something to note, SARS 1 first paitent was a farmer. Hubei, where Wuhan is located, is heavily farmed. Industrial farming uses large amounts of petrol based fertilizer and pesticides such as round up, which is known to cause serious issues. Glysophate. Might have heard of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate
Glyphosate is absorbed through foliage, and minimally through roots, and transported to growing points[citation needed]. It inhibits a plant enzyme involved in the synthesis of three aromatic amino acids: tyrosine, tryptophan, and phenylalanine. It is therefore effective only on actively growing plants and is not effective as a pre-emergence herbicide. An increasing number of crops have been genetically engineered to be tolerant of glyphosate (e.g. Roundup Ready soybean, the first Roundup Ready crop, also created by Monsanto), which allows farmers to use glyphosate as a post-emergence herbicide against weeds.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/shikimic-acid-pathway
Eckhard Leistner, in Comprehensive Natural Products Chemistry, 1999
1.23.1 Discovery of Isochorismic Acid The shikimic acid pathway is responsible for the production of vitamins and aromatic amino acids such as phenylalanine, tyrosine, and tryptophan.1 It is also a source of precursors which are converted to an array of natural products. The sequence of reactions leading to aromatic amino acids branch at chorismic acid (1), a central intermediate of the shikimic acid pathway. Chorismic acid is also converted to its structural isomer isochorismic acid (2) (Scheme 1).
3.1.2 Shikimic acid derived products The shikimic acid pathway provides an alternative route to aromatic compounds, particularly the aromatic amino acids. Various metabolites, including alkaloids, phenolics and mycotoxins, are derived from aromatic acids. Several bioactive compounds from this pathway are listed in Table 3.
Table 3. Current fungal pharmaceuticals from shikimic acid-derived metabolites.
Drug name Structure Microorganism Description Reference Asperlicin benzodiazepin Aspergillus alliaceus cholecystokinin antagonist [21] Ergot alkaloids indole alkaloids Claviceps purpurea dopamine antagonists, serotonin, 5-hydroxytryptamine and αadrenoreceptors modulator [23] Psilocin indole alkaloids Psilocybe cubensis binding to 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor [24] Chlorflavonin flavonoid Aspergillus candidus antifungal agents [27] Psilocybin acts as a product and its hydroxy metabolite psilocin represents the true pharmacologically active agent [25]. Although these compounds are Schedule I drugs in the United States, they are important drugs in psychotherapy.
Asperlicin is a potent antagonist of cholecystokinin, which is synthesized from tryptophan and leucine by Aspergillus alliaceus [21]. Cholecystokinin is a recognized hormone neurotransmitter involved in the control of pancreatic secretion, gallbladder contraction, and gut motility.
Ergot comprises a group of indole alkaloids, which are predominantly found in various species of Claviceps. The ergot alkaloids and derivatives have a broad spectrum of pharmacological action that includes central, neurohumoral and peripheral effects [22]. More than 50 proprietary and generic drugs are available in the USA for the treatment of migraine headache and to modulate uterine contraction [23]. Psilocin and psilocybin, which are structurally related to the neurotransmitter serotonin, are the compounds responsible for the hallucinogenic properties of “magic mushrooms” [24].

Psychedelic.

Bringing it back to SARS and Covid19. Particulates play a large part in upper respiratory diseases, the larger the particles, the more severe the disease. This is widely known within the health community. In areas of heavy farming where lots of pesticides and fertilizers are used, those particles which are sprayed over large areas, drift with wind currents and cause air pollution, which China is notorious for.
NYC is a large city with little plant life and air pollution, ie break dust, exhaust fumes, industry pollution, etc. Cold weather comes and people go indoors where CO2 levels are elevated and cause upper respiratory diseases. Remember reports of it being in the air ducts and pipes? That's because an entire building can be effected by sick building syndrome when many people stay inside during winter, exhaling CO2 with each breath.
First reports were of ARDS.
High altitude sickness.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B978012813999800001X
"Hypoxia, or rarefied atmosphere with low oxygen availability, can affect a person's physical and mental performances.
So many rabbit holes, have fun keeping up with all that. Many pieces to this Covid puzzle, not simply "a virus". As you can see, there are many factors at play here.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
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Your post shows how I was correct. I literally predicted the exact day deaths would start to spike. Anyone can see that from the graphs you posted.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27018483 - 11/02/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Yeah, there is no chance of long term side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html
Common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1, usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. Most people get infected with one or more of these viruses at some point in their lives. This information applies to common human coronaviruses and should not be confused with coronavirus disease 2019 (formerly referred to as 2019 Novel Coronavirus).
Coronavirus 19 causes SARS, which is said to cause coronavirus 19 disease, AKA Covid-19.
For what Wikipedia is worth, here goes nothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome
"Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1), the first-identified strain of the SARS coronavirus species severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV). The syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak. In late 2017, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of Asian palm civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Yunnan."
IMO, Severe acute respiratory syndrome is a disease caused by coronaviruses, similar to other cold coronaviruses.
There is a winter burden of death, where plant life dies and discontinues filtering out CO2, temporarily increasing the amount of CO2 in our environment during winter months. Temperatures are cold and people mostly stay indoors, in a large city, many people live in small apartments and densely populated.
Sick building syndrome is a thing that OSHA is aware of.
With that in mind, here's this.
"The SARS epidemic appears to have started in Guangdong, China,[clarification needed] in November 2002 where the first case was reported that same month. The patient, a farmer from Shunde, Foshan, Guangdong, was treated in the First People's Hospital of Foshan. The patient died soon after, and no definite diagnosis was made on his cause of death. Despite taking some action to control it, Chinese government officials did not inform the World Health Organization of the outbreak until February 2003. This lack of openness caused delays in efforts to control the epidemic, resulting in criticism of the People's Republic of China from the international community. China officially apologized for early slowness in dealing with the SARS epidemic."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong
Guangdong (alternately romanized as Canton Province or Kwangtung) is a coastal province in South China on the north shore of South China Sea. The capital of the province is Guangzhou. With a population of 113.46 million (as of 2018[6]) across a total area of about 179,800 km2 (69,400 sq mi),[2] Guangdong is the most populous province of China and the 15th-largest by area. Its economy is larger than that of any other province in the nation and the 4th largest sub-national economy in the world with a GDP size of 1.47 trillion US dollars (9.73 trillion Chinese yuan) in 2018.
SARS broke out of a large city. SARS2 broke out of Wuhan.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/wuhan-population
"Wuhan is a city located in Central China. It is the largest city in the region, and it is also the capital of the Hubei province. This city has the nickname “the Chicago of China” because it is a hub for transportation. The city has a very large population, with the most current estimates putting it at 10,607,700."
something to note, SARS 1 first paitent was a farmer. Hubei, where Wuhan is located, is heavily farmed. Industrial farming uses large amounts of petrol based fertilizer and pesticides such as round up, which is known to cause serious issues. Glysophate. Might have heard of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate
Glyphosate is absorbed through foliage, and minimally through roots, and transported to growing points[citation needed]. It inhibits a plant enzyme involved in the synthesis of three aromatic amino acids: tyrosine, tryptophan, and phenylalanine. It is therefore effective only on actively growing plants and is not effective as a pre-emergence herbicide. An increasing number of crops have been genetically engineered to be tolerant of glyphosate (e.g. Roundup Ready soybean, the first Roundup Ready crop, also created by Monsanto), which allows farmers to use glyphosate as a post-emergence herbicide against weeds.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/shikimic-acid-pathway
Eckhard Leistner, in Comprehensive Natural Products Chemistry, 1999
1.23.1 Discovery of Isochorismic Acid The shikimic acid pathway is responsible for the production of vitamins and aromatic amino acids such as phenylalanine, tyrosine, and tryptophan.1 It is also a source of precursors which are converted to an array of natural products. The sequence of reactions leading to aromatic amino acids branch at chorismic acid (1), a central intermediate of the shikimic acid pathway. Chorismic acid is also converted to its structural isomer isochorismic acid (2) (Scheme 1).
3.1.2 Shikimic acid derived products The shikimic acid pathway provides an alternative route to aromatic compounds, particularly the aromatic amino acids. Various metabolites, including alkaloids, phenolics and mycotoxins, are derived from aromatic acids. Several bioactive compounds from this pathway are listed in Table 3.
Table 3. Current fungal pharmaceuticals from shikimic acid-derived metabolites.
Drug name Structure Microorganism Description Reference Asperlicin benzodiazepin Aspergillus alliaceus cholecystokinin antagonist [21] Ergot alkaloids indole alkaloids Claviceps purpurea dopamine antagonists, serotonin, 5-hydroxytryptamine and αadrenoreceptors modulator [23] Psilocin indole alkaloids Psilocybe cubensis binding to 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor [24] Chlorflavonin flavonoid Aspergillus candidus antifungal agents [27] Psilocybin acts as a product and its hydroxy metabolite psilocin represents the true pharmacologically active agent [25]. Although these compounds are Schedule I drugs in the United States, they are important drugs in psychotherapy.
Asperlicin is a potent antagonist of cholecystokinin, which is synthesized from tryptophan and leucine by Aspergillus alliaceus [21]. Cholecystokinin is a recognized hormone neurotransmitter involved in the control of pancreatic secretion, gallbladder contraction, and gut motility.
Ergot comprises a group of indole alkaloids, which are predominantly found in various species of Claviceps. The ergot alkaloids and derivatives have a broad spectrum of pharmacological action that includes central, neurohumoral and peripheral effects [22]. More than 50 proprietary and generic drugs are available in the USA for the treatment of migraine headache and to modulate uterine contraction [23]. Psilocin and psilocybin, which are structurally related to the neurotransmitter serotonin, are the compounds responsible for the hallucinogenic properties of “magic mushrooms” [24].

Psychedelic.

Bringing it back to SARS and Covid19. Particulates play a large part in upper respiratory diseases, the larger the particles, the more severe the disease. This is widely known within the health community. In areas of heavy farming where lots of pesticides and fertilizers are used, those particles which are sprayed over large areas, drift with wind currents and cause air pollution, which China is notorious for.
NYC is a large city with little plant life and air pollution, ie break dust, exhaust fumes, industry pollution, etc. Cold weather comes and people go indoors where CO2 levels are elevated and cause upper respiratory diseases. Remember reports of it being in the air ducts and pipes? That's because an entire building can be effected by sick building syndrome when many people stay inside during winter, exhaling CO2 with each breath.
First reports were of ARDS.
High altitude sickness.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B978012813999800001X
"Hypoxia, or rarefied atmosphere with low oxygen availability, can affect a person's physical and mental performances.
So many rabbit holes, have fun keeping up with all that. Many pieces to this Covid puzzle, not simply "a virus". As you can see, there are many factors at play here.
Swing and a miss it is SARS COV2 the 2 being important. If it was wars we would use existing . 1k dead while you were arguing giant covid protection and ticking
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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This from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners was written 30th April. Why does the coronavirus fatality rate differ so much around the world?
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Australia has one of the world’s lowest, with 89 deaths from 6746 cases, giving it a CFR of 1.33%.
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That is similar to widely-praised Taiwan, which has kept the virus to a 1.4% rate.
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But the CFR sits within a hugely broad range around the globe.
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The world’s highest current CFR rate is now in France, where 18.65% of people known to be infected with the virus have died.
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Belgium and Italy also have double-digit CFR rates, while the US – which has the largest outbreak of anywhere in the world – has a CFR of 5.76% from more than one million cases.
The same organisation put this out 11th September Are COVID death rates really falling globally?
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In hard hit nations like the US, the case fatality rate (CFR) now sits around 3%
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It is a similar story in the badly affected UK, where the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine now estimates the CFR has fallen from over 6% down to around 1.5%.
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Brazil now registering a CFR of around 3.1%, while deaths per day seem to have dropped.
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Overall, the pandemic is still growing, with the number of deaths now over 905,000 worldwide out of 27.89 million cases, giving a global CFR of around 3.2%.
No matter what way you slice it, this is far worse than a normal coronavirus flu.
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Influenza isn't a coronavirus.
Influenza kills toddlers and young children.
In virus classification, influenza viruses are negative sense RNA viruses that make up four of the seven genera of the family Orthomyxoviridae
Coronaviruses constitute the subfamily Orthocoronavirinae, in the family Coronaviridae
Forbes can suck my cock. Research this.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Yes - entirely different viruses. There are other coronaviruses that circulate seasonally every year and cause common cold, but this is a novel strain and a more virulent one, like the coronaviruses that cause SARS and MERS. So, within virus family, you can have a lot of variation. It is not surprising to those who study these viruses to see a severe coronavirus.
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Fine, it still kills people.
Does the flu kill over 200000 a year normally in the U.S? I don't think so.
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They both suck. There is a reason there is an entire division dedicated to flu at CDC and why pandemic preparedness plans are all written with flu in mind. Coronaviruses are more sporadic and unpredictable in their virulence. They can go either way. Even a mild flu can be pretty bad, though, and affect different age groups at different severities.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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Seriously_trippin said: Swing and a miss it is SARS COV2 the 2 being important. If it was wars we would use existing . 1k dead while you were arguing giant covid protection and ticking
SARS2 is only 80% similar to SARS1. Where have you been?
Humans are closer related to chimpanzees. Are we considered chimpanzees?
And what are you trying to say here, "If it was wars we would use existing . 1k dead while you were arguing giant protection and ticking"?
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koods said: Your post shows how I was correct. I literally predicted the exact day deaths would start to spike. Anyone can see that from the graphs you posted.
As I predicted. Clearly shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.
https://www.virology.ws/2014/10/08/the-incubation-period-of-a-viral-infection/
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160 cases of the flu in the entire US for the past month. Almost nobody is dying or will die of the flu this year due to social distancing rules in place for Covid. Almost certainly this year will see the fewest flu deaths worldwide ever recorded.
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Indeed - that is a nice bonus.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] 2
#27019466 - 11/03/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: 160 cases of the flu in the entire US for the past month. Almost nobody is dying or will die of the flu this year due to social distancing rules in place for Covid. Almost certainly this year will see the fewest flu deaths worldwide ever recorded.
Not being a doctor I'd look at those numbers and say covid is highly infectious, compared to the flu.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27019468 - 11/03/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: 160 cases of the flu in the entire US for the past month. Almost nobody is dying or will die of the flu this year due to social distancing rules in place for Covid. Almost certainly this year will see the fewest flu deaths worldwide ever recorded.
Then why has there been a nation push for flu shots if there is no flu this year?

And then there's this.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overview.htm
"Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this system will suspend data collection for the 2020-21 influenza season. Data from previous seasons are available on FluView Interactive."
Why would CDC suspend data collection for 2020-21 influenza season?
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27019495 - 11/03/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The CDC hasn’t suspended data collection. I’m looking at this week’s data right now. You’re just have extremely poor reading comprehension.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27019511 - 11/03/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There was a early push here for the flu shot this year too. I remember the health officials were worried about a double whammy from both, and at that stage it wasn't clear where things were headed. Not having a flu season shows how well the social distancing + raised hygene awareness has worked I think.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] 1
#27019515 - 11/03/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then why has there been a nation push for flu shots if there is no flu this year
One of the reasons flu prevalence is low is because we use vaccines
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