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Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? * 5
    #27014144 - 10/31/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its funny how left-wing publications are obsessed with Russian election interference. The only actual evidence of it was acquired by intelligence communities who estimated that Russia spent a few thousand dollars on influencers and had troll farms making memes. Pro-(insert political alignment) meme's are hardly spooky occurrences of election meddling.

Meanwhile, social media has LITERALLY shut down the account of the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES during an election campaign. They have suppressed breaking news stories that make Biden look bad (Hunters pedo pics on his laptop and crack smoking.) Their fact checkers are never-Trumpers and post about how much they hate him all day - and they are the one's "fact checking" what he says, as part of the purportedly "impartial and unbiased" fact-check team. Do the fact-checkers go after Biden? Nope. Biden continues to spread lies like how Trump called Nazis "very fine people", and it is never fact checked.

Trump says election rigging is real and is censored with a fact check, despite the comment being OBJECTIVELY true. Election fraud is real, there is material evidence of it. Social Media censors his ads, posts, and everything in between. Meanwhile Biden is untouched, and allowed to engage in political skulduggery with impunity.

Twitter/Facebook literally altered their platform to help Hillary campaign in Michigan and other states in 2016. That is literal election meddling. Project Veritas has caught Twitter/Facebook employees talk about how they just censor anything pro-Trump, these tech companies are politically homogeneous. They are overwhelmingly progressive far-left wing activists, and they abuse their positions by injecting personal political agendas into their work of moderation and curation.

Social Media is rigging our election. Russia's interference could be generously called half-sincere and lazy.





Do-nothing Republicans will grumble, the celebrity Republicans like Ted Cruz will make viral posts, there will be talk of 230 reform, but NOTHING ever happens. Twitter and Facebook have been engaging in astroturfing and political suppression for years. They have literally been caught red handed by Project Veritas and others, but again, nothing happens.



The GOP is sadly full of do-nothing cronies. The Democratic party is the same. Both are predicated on partisan loyalty, cronyism, and nepotism.




Trump was meant to "drain the swamp" - and hell I wanted him to, it NEEDS to be drained. Ilhan Omar has been caught misusing campaign funding half a dozen times. She was fined by the FEC for funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign funds to her husbands "consulting firm" which is the oldest and most common form of political money laundering. Sadly, its LEGAL to do this, but without a doubt it is corruption. And yet, she is elected and re-elected. Project Veritas caught Ilhan's cronies bragging about how they ballot harvested for her campaign to get her reelected. The story hasn't been confirmed, but based on her history of corruption, it likely is true. And again, NOTHING HAPPENS.

Trump has disappointed me. Maybe the situation can't be fixed by a single man. Maybe its too late to fix it at all. But the swamp is anything but drained. When Trump was elected, there were a bunch of career do-nothing Republicans that immediately quit, which is suspicious considering he campaigned on cleaning out the corruption. So maybe his mere presence has scared off some of the gators in the swamp. But its not enough.



  • 230 REFORM NOW!


  • OR GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA AS A HUMAN RIGHT/PUBLIC SERVICE


I was a progressive democrat from 2008-2012, and I voted for Obama's first term. After he started shooting missiles into weddings via drones, I became less enthusiastic about the Democratic Party, and jumped ship.

I didn't vote last election.

But this election cycle, I voted Trump and I hope he prosecutes Hillary, Pelosi, Ilhan, and all the other cronies who have engaged in corrupt behavior. Pelosi is a multi-millionaire. How? Why? They are PUBLIC SERVANTS. How is it that a public servant is the most lucrative career in the country? They are supposed to serve the people, but they tend to merely extract the peoples wealth and use their position not to progress society, but to enrich themselves.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: edgar1337] * 1
    #27014183 - 10/31/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

lay off the kool-aid, dog!

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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: islanduniverse]
    #27014193 - 10/31/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What's wrong with a private company deciding what is or isn't allowed on their site? Nobody is forcing anyone to use it or preventing anyone from starting their own social media site that they can run as they please.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 2
    #27014234 - 10/31/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What's wrong with a private company deciding what is or isn't allowed on their site? Nobody is forcing anyone to use it or preventing anyone from starting their own social media site that they can run as they please.



Why haven't you started your own multi-billion dollar company to compete against Twitter and Facebook?  Anyone can start their own site to reach hundreds of millions of people (while maybe becoming filthy rich in the process), right?


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27014239 - 10/31/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What's wrong with a private company deciding what is or isn't allowed on their site? Nobody is forcing anyone to use it or preventing anyone from starting their own social media site that they can run as they please.



Why haven't you started your own multi-billion dollar company to compete against Twitter and Facebook?  Anyone can start their own site to reach hundreds of millions of people (while becoming filthy rich themselves) right?



Was facebook founded by billionaires?


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #27014251 - 10/31/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think so.  So why do don't you do it?


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27014253 - 10/31/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think so.  So why do don't you do it?



What does that have to do with anything? I have no interest in doing it.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 3
    #27014266 - 10/31/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Facebook and Twitter are practically monopolies.  That's why no one can compete, and that's why they shouldn't censor people's speech (to answer your original question).


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27014272 - 10/31/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Facebook and Twitter are practically monopolies.  That's why no one can compete, and that's why they shouldn't censor people's speech (to answer your original question).



Can't compete if you don't try. They can censor whatever they want. Don't like it? Don't use it. Twitter came after Facebook and they're doing ok.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 3
    #27014301 - 10/31/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Facebook and Twitter are practically monopolies.  That's why no one can compete, and that's why they shouldn't censor people's speech (to answer your original question).



Can't compete if you don't try. They can censor whatever they want. Don't like it? Don't use it. Twitter came after Facebook and they're doing ok.




You also can't compete if there's massive barriers to entry, that's the whole point of capitalism. It's talking about embracing free competitive markets , but actually doing everything to eliminate any form of competition.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: qman]
    #27014315 - 10/31/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hundreds of social media sites have gotten past that massive barrier and I'm sure hundreds more will in the future.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27014337 - 10/31/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its too late. Facebook and Twitter were like Intel/Apple. It was a moment in the industry when there was NO PRECEDENT. People have tried to fight the social media monopoloy (Parler) and failed. When Zuckerberg ripped off the social media format from that dude who originally developed it, it was a one of a kind never before seen thing.

Then Jack Dorsi basically ripped off the formulaic system of facebook and streamlined it, but it was at a time in the industry when there was still a niche spot open for brief, less formal social interaction.

Google is under investigation for Anti-Trust laws specifically because they smack competitors and upstarts dicks in the dirt if they get big enough to catch their eye. They have an monopoly over advertising, and are under investigation for Anti-Trust violations there too. There are a whole host of lawsuits against google for discrimination, anti-trust, its dizzying.

Its just like the Microsoft predatory/monopolistic debacle. The difference is, Bill Gates is actually a decent human being with a bit too much ambition for his own good. He conceded and reformed his company, like a gentleman. This time around, Google is so powerful that Mark Zuckerberg can literally sit in front of Congress and flagrantly lie or basically tell them "I'm doing whatever I want, try to stop me" - which is unprecedented.

For the first time in recent history, we have tech monopolies challenging the authority of the state. Make no mistake, in business school a decade from now, this sequence of events will be studied and referenced as a footnote in the advent of corporatism in the American mainstream culture.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 2
    #27014359 - 10/31/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Facebook and Twitter are practically monopolies.  That's why no one can compete, and that's why they shouldn't censor people's speech (to answer your original question).



Can't compete if you don't try. They can censor whatever they want. Don't like it? Don't use it. Twitter came after Facebook and they're doing ok.



No, you just can't compete. Try to make an upstart social media platform - you'll need consultants, analysts, UI designers, a whole team of coders, server farms, a legal team to adhere to communications regulations. So maybe a cool billion.

But then you need to attract people to your social media system, which means either innovation (which is think-tanks and focus groups and R&D) which is a moot point as Google/Twitters innnovation teams are leaps and bounds ahead of any upstart.

You can advertise, but 99% of advertising is controlled by... Google! I'm sure they will be amenable to a competitor trying to overtake their monopoly.

After spending the $1,000,000,000 to start a tech firm, you'll need to spend millions on advertising (which again, wont't happen with google), then you'll need upkeep fees for staff, server farms, etc.

So if you are not a billionaire, you have zero chance of making a successful social media platform. These stories about Jeff Bezos starting Amazon in his garage are decades old where, again, it was unlike anything the industry had seen before. Social media is old hat. They work with sociologists, psychologists, and all manner of scientists to perfect the formula meant to extract your time and attention.

So to be competitive, you'll need your own psychs to manipulate the algorithms to get clicks, which costs even more money. Then google/twitter will be trying to sabotage you by head-hunting every good candidate you find. They wont need the employee, they just have the money to make sure YOU don't get them.

So maybe a few billion to get started. But even then your competing with titans who are constantly lobbying congressmen, governors, politicians, and have their own system of cronyism to prevent competition. The tech industry is predicated on networking - all these social media bigwigs are dining with governors, congressmen, are invited to whitehouse dinners, they have endless leagues of influencial and affluential cronies to call on if the need arises. That was a feat that took a decade and billions of dollars. Social Media has its fingers everywhere, even in overseas CPU/hardware industries.

Then there will be the inevitable mergers where Facebook adopts NVIDEA/other company. They already dipped their toes in the gaming world, they have a city in Canada that is 100% run by google with CCTV surveillance literally everywhere. They are expansionists. Because when being filthy rich just isn't enough, filthy rich and controlling a portion of the universe is second best.

Good luck making an upstart social media platform!

You can do it on reddit (creating new subs), but its not really yours, its just a sub that Reddit owns and gives you the opportunity to use it.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: edgar1337]
    #27014372 - 10/31/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Facebook and Twitter are practically monopolies.  That's why no one can compete, and that's why they shouldn't censor people's speech (to answer your original question).



Can't compete if you don't try. They can censor whatever they want. Don't like it? Don't use it. Twitter came after Facebook and they're doing ok.



No, you just can't compete.



Not with that attitude.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27019039 - 11/03/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Facebook and Twitter are practically monopolies.  That's why no one can compete, and that's why they shouldn't censor people's speech (to answer your original question).


x2 they basically push leftists ideology an controll what people can post.  There is alot of evidence of Twitter an Facebook meddling in the elections. But they seem to get a way with this its pretty sad to see this kind of control they have over what people can post. People can deny it all they want but its facts an there is evidence to support this.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27019053 - 11/03/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see a problem with that, though.  They're private companies.  If they want to take a stance for one side or another, they should be allowed to do so.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27019098 - 11/03/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That my friends is called free enterprise.

If you don;t like Facebook deciding what you see, and you don;t like Twitter shutting down the president for being a retarded waste of oxygen, then you should move to communist China where the government can protect your feelings.


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: Enlil]
    #27019186 - 11/03/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see a problem with that, though.  They're private companies.  If they want to take a stance for one side or another, they should be allowed to do so.



Ya, anyone can just start another company that has the kind of reach of Facebook and Twitter.

:doublefacepalm:


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Re: Russian election meddling? How about Social Media and fake news election meddling? [Re: edgar1337] * 1
    #27019213 - 11/03/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Its funny how left-wing publications are obsessed with Russian election interference.




To most countries, the Democrat stance would be considered rightwing.

America is just so far to the right that they SEEM leftwing.


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    #27019219 - 11/03/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see a problem with that, though.  They're private companies.  If they want to take a stance for one side or another, they should be allowed to do so.



Ya, anyone can just start another company that has the kind of reach of Facebook and Twitter.

:doublefacepalm:



Doubtful.  One of the reasons that Facebook and Twitter are popular is because of their content controls.  Just because they become successful isn't a good reason for them to lose rights.  Why are Trump supporters always so eager to regulate businesses?


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