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Panaeolus cinctulus ID request
#27018923 - 11/03/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello guys i am a new user on shroomery. I am from Greece and i need help for identification. I read about mushrooms the last 2 years. And i hunt for edibles in my village.(boletes, macrolepiota procera, amanita caesar etc) i found in my grandmothers garden last days after rain some mushrooms that are very close to panaeolus cinctulus. I know for sure that they belong in panaeolus family.i took some fotos.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Mushroomland]
#27018931 - 11/03/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolus sp.
Apparently what has been collected from fields and lawns and labelled P. cinctulus, really is a different species, or maybe even several different species.
I know few details about this, Alan Rockefeller has mentioned this a few times, so I reckon it is based on recent and possibly so far unpublished research.
Generally, several of the grass/soil dwelling species of Panaeolus are hard to identify correctly without a microscope and in some cases DNA sequencing is needed.
It's not always supposed to be easy, I guess.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Anglerfish]
#27018959 - 11/03/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I want to place my vote for this being what we were calling P. cinctulus in fields, and I didn't know all that. I am not swearing it, just reckon I rule out foes.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Joie]
#27018997 - 11/03/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anglerfish is true P. cinctulus only found on manure now? What are the fresh sod pans that people claim are active? I haven’t eaten them but I’ve found many that look very similar to foe’s only they have the jet black spores and people claim they are active.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Joie]
#27019000 - 11/03/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think quite a few finds regarded as P. cinctulus based on macroscopic features alone, potentially could be P. fimicola, P. olivaceus or P. subfirmus. Also, I'm thinking it is quite possible that the North American active species coined as P. cinctulus, could be something else. These are only my private assumptions, though, since I don't know much more about this genus than what is available in published literature, which is largely based on Gerhardt's studies, but many of those are more than 20 years old.
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CHUCK.HNTR said: Anglerfish is true P. cinctulus only found on manure now? What are the fresh sod pans that people claim are active? I haven’t eaten them but I’ve found many that look very similar to foe’s only they have the jet black spores and people claim they are active.
I only have this from comments made by Alan, like this one (quoted from this thread):
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Alan Rockefeller said: (...) There are several species that people call Panaeolus cinctulus, and it's unknown how many of those produce sclerotia.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Anglerfish]
#27019069 - 11/03/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you Anglerfish. I also dried and just taste one of them and spit it. (didn't consume them) and they were salty. I read that when they are dry they have salty taste. I forgot to write that many times the cats poop on the grass garden.(i dont know if this helps) and the lawn is fertilized.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Mushroomland]
#27019091 - 11/03/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks Anglerfish
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Anglerfish]
#27019095 - 11/03/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This looks like Panaeolus foenisecii judging by the brownish tones I see in the spore print, but it's very difficult to separate from the active grass dwelling Panaeolus species, they are not Poisonous so I say collect them and give them a try if you are looking for psychoactive mushrooms.
I've only recently taken on studying Panaeolus cinctulus look alikes and so far the only one that I see fitting the description of Panaeolus cinctulus has only been found in horse pastures growing from horse dung.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Doc9151]
#27019184 - 11/03/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you Doc9151. Yes i am looking for psychoactive. I read that the black spores arent poisonous or toxic. so no worries to try them?I collected them all. They are about 1-1,5 grams dry. I have more pictures to show you about other mushrooms that were growing directly from horse dund and around the dung. But they was half dry when i found them.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Mushroomland]
#27019196 - 11/03/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think they are panaeolus papilionaceus... No psychoactive or? I have read they have very small amount of psilocybin.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Doc9151]
#27019230 - 11/03/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: This looks like Panaeolus foenisecii judging by the brownish tones I see in the spore print, but it's very difficult to separate from the active grass dwelling Panaeolus species, they are not Poisonous so I say collect them and give them a try if you are looking for psychoactive mushrooms.
I've only recently taken on studying Panaeolus cinctulus look alikes and so far the only one that I see fitting the description of Panaeolus cinctulus has only been found in horse pastures growing from horse dung.
I imported this one to a retard photoshop program and used the eyedropper tool on the sporeprint. It registered as black. They gills really don’t look right but that appears to be black spore prints.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: lowbrow]
#27019268 - 11/03/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obvious blue bruising on one of those mushrooms, in pics 3 & 4 (pic 3 = front and center, pic 4 = far left... maybe these are the same specimen) - looks to be Panaeolous cyanescens. Pics 1 and 6 appear to be Panaeolous papilionaceous.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: spagooter]
#27019307 - 11/03/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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spagooter said: Obvious blue bruising on one of those mushrooms, in pics 3 & 4 (pic 3 = front and center, pic 4 = far left... maybe these are the same specimen) - looks to be Panaeolous cyanescens. Pics 1 and 6 appear to be Panaeolous papilionaceous.
Are they safe to try them or not risk it?
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: Mushroomland]
#27019479 - 11/03/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushroomland said: Thank you Doc9151. Yes i am looking for psychoactive. I read that the black spores arent poisonous or toxic. so no worries to try them?I collected them all. They are about 1-1,5 grams dry. I have more pictures to show you about other mushrooms that were growing directly from horse dund and around the dung. But they was half dry when i found them. 
This is a mixed collection of Panaeolus species and Deconica, none are psychoactive, look for the same as you posted in the first picture, there are 4 different species in Panaeolus that can be mistaken for one another, macro and microscopic characteristics must be evaluated before determining the species and even then you may need to sequence them to get an exact ID or closest match.
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus ID request [Re: spagooter]
#27019488 - 11/03/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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spagooter said: Obvious blue bruising on one of those mushrooms, in pics 3 & 4 (pic 3 = front and center, pic 4 = far left... maybe these are the same specimen) - looks to be Panaeolous cyanescens. Pics 1 and 6 appear to be Panaeolous papilionaceous.
I don't see any bluing at all but a browning or blackening,
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