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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27039860 - 11/15/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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And one thing when starting keto/cutting carbs:
You will have to push through the shitty state! Does not feel good! I know. Treat it as addiction, wich it is. And things are more easy to handle IMHO. Taper down gently as you said.
You can do this! Dont put your self to risk but do this. Gather information, study,study,study. Read peoples experiences who are at same situation as you. Study more. Take things considering your health in notice. Taper gently.
Take it easy,but take it as uncle Terence used to say.
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Electrolytes will make it much easier for you. Your body flushes them out when carbs dont bind water to your system. MORE SALT,MORE WATER,ELECTROLYTES AS SUPPLEMENT!
But yeah talk with your doctor about symbtoms, but would suggest all so talking to nutrionist with experience in keto and diabetes type 2.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27039916 - 11/15/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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One really common failure: Not enough fat in diet when doing keto.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27044286 - 11/17/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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WELL FUCK MY LIFE FRONT REAR AND SIDEWAYS.
As an excursion to my diet I had a sugary treat earlier, containing about 2oz of sugar, and some time after that I lied down and napped some.
I woke up with cramping in both feet.
It HURT so I staggered around a bit till it wore off.
Got behind the computer and out of the blue googled "Diabetic foot cramps." not even knowing if that was a thing.
God damnit - its a thing, foot cramping resulting from high blood glucose.
I'M FUCKED, I got it.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
#27044553 - 11/17/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Type 2 can be treated with keto. And in my experience when you abstain from sugar and go back to it the insulin shocks feel pretty horrible.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#27053335 - 11/23/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I went back and forth a bit with the diet to give my body time to adjust to Low Carb and am happy to report I now appear to have mild ketosis breath, greatly diminished appetite and am losing weight.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
#27053352 - 11/23/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: What advice can you give me? Got any good links?
School me 
I strongly recommend researching what people have managed to accomplish by going VEGAN - not just vegetarian - for atleast 90 days. Extending a "Sober October" into Nov/Dec as far as alcohol goes would also be wise. Also, no more candy or sweets. You will see changes in your appearance and the way you feel in 30 days, but discipline is needed to get to 90 days. Also, walk 1-5 miles every day you can. Good luck and bring intense, consistent discipline every day!
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27053358 - 11/23/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for that advice but isnt Vegan starch based? I must cut out sugar and spice and all things nice sugar and starch.
Cant have legumes and grains and those are tyhe building blocks of vegetarianism.
Most fruits also must be used sparingly or omitted.
I need to lose about 150lbs so no 90 day anything will do much. It will at least be a 90 week struggle to get it off and a lifelonbg uphill battle to keep it off.
Thess than 1 in 1000 people with morbid obesity who lose a lot of weight DOESNT gain it back in 5 years.
Less than a 1 in 1000 chance to succeed across 5 years.
Dieting is quackery. It is NO cure, NO solution, but its the best we have. Quackery.
Of course I;m going to be that 0.08% that makes it 
But only because God will work wonders, not because Diet and Exercise work, because once you have a BMI like mine, your metabolism is so broken that they just won't.
Less than 1 in 1000 no matter what you do.
If I succeed it will be a Miracle of God, nothing less than that.
But, I believe in that and have witnessed Miracles so, going for sound application of diet and exercise, other life changes, and a whole lot of God.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
#27053366 - 11/23/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should listen to me. I weigh roughly 150 pounds right now. I try new thing all the time, and believe in *constant adaptation.* What works is wittingly shocking the body out of its mode of stasis - assuming you have reversible health concerns. The vegan diet can lean in several directions. You can try a VOMAD 90 day diet. Vegan One Meal A Day - 90 days. Hit the tofu with salads and a side of avocado or guacamole. Supplement with Vitamin B complex because you will not get that during this vegan cycle. Walking will not only burn calories, it will aid in your digestion and metabolic rate. If for some readon you do not want fruits, nuts, or grains - there are vegan options out there, but you are going to be eating the same meal again and again.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/g5186/vegan-celebrities/
Focus on this topic if you are serious. Also, no more soda of any type for the rest of life and beyond. You want to feel hungry nearly every hour of the day, without actually traumatizing your body and mind.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
#27053375 - 11/23/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: WELL FUCK MY LIFE FRONT REAR AND SIDEWAYS.
As an excursion to my diet I had a sugary treat earlier, containing about 2oz of sugar, and some time after that I lied down and napped some.
I woke up with cramping in both feet.
It HURT so I staggered around a bit till it wore off.
Got behind the computer and out of the blue googled "Diabetic foot cramps." not even knowing if that was a thing.
God damnit - its a thing, foot cramping resulting from high blood glucose.
I'M FUCKED, I got it.
Electolyte drinks are not enough if you are 40 or older and into stuff. I had to upgrade from Gatorade/Powerade daily to https://mx.iherb.com/pr/Now-Foods-Potassium-Citrate-99-mg-180-Capsules/13061?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5vPhwdGY7QIVTdbACh0YSAkvEAQYBCABEgKdtvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds or a similar brand. I also had to take this for a month: https://www.soriana.com/soriana/es/c/Salud-y-Belleza/Suplementos/Remedio-Herbolario-Aradicaps-30-Capsulas-de-300-mg-/p/11433039
You'll try to ignore this advice, but its being given to you because you inquired - and I wanted to help you.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27053378 - 11/23/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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And I did 500mg Potassium daily for weeks. Not 99mg.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27053380 - 11/23/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most nutrionist dont support the idea of going keto while vegan. To cure you metabolism and to fight type 2 diabetes going keto works wonders.
If you want to try keto vegan my opinion is to do it later. First get you fat burning machinery back on track with strict 20-30g carbs per day. After it has recovered. Maybe try vegan way if YOU feel the calling for it.
And congrats for doing it!

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#27053409 - 11/23/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: Thank you for that advice but isnt Vegan starch based? I must cut out sugar and spice and all things nice sugar and starch.
I hate the vegan diet, but theres people who have reversed their diabetes on a whole foods vegan diet, from what I can tell its mixing carbs and fats that is the real problem, but trying to query that just brings up body builders who say you shouldnt do that and not any solid nutrition sites
also theres been many starch based diets like the Okinawa in Japan who ate most of their calories from sweet potato or the chinese who ate most of their calories from rice who never had blood sugar problems/diabetes until sugar and flour was introduced into their culture
that said for me personally I rather restrict my diet to eggs and bacon rather then whole plant foods, I also think saturated fat is pretty essential for your body, your body is made of the fats you eat and I would worry about changing the fat profile to something we would evolved getting little of
you can find propaganda for both sides that seem pretty outlandish, like the doc what the health(vegan) or the doc the magic pill (keto)
plus with keto you can realistically fast longer which would be a huge help in lowering bloodsugar and insulin, Study the CNS mentioned doing vegan OMAD but I couldnt imagine that, for one plant foods are usually less caloricly dense so itd be hard to eat enough in an hours time to keep you full all day, plus carby food keeps your glycogen replenished and when you start to run low on that you get cravings to eat again so your body dosnt have to switch over to fat burning
if you have an hour I recommend watching this Video, from a doctor, Jason Fung, who uses fasting and low carb diet to reverse diabetes in his patients, he has reversed diabetes in hundreds if not thousands of his patients, he is a nephrolgist from Toronto, he got into treating diabetes because diabetes is the leading cause of kidney disease so he figured he cant treat his kidney patients properly if they still have diabetes, he started by trying to get his patients to eat low-carb, but lots of his patients were really old immigrants who couldnt quite grasp the concept of keto, they listen to his advice, go home, come back to thier next appointment no better, they would say they did what he said, then when he would look at their food journal and it would be full of breads and pastas and rice and stuff, so he was like they obviously arnt getting this, he stumbled across fasting(before its current popularity, hes one of the people that popularized it) the more he looked into the old research on fasting, the less stupid he thought it was, he started getting his patients to fast, and he finally started getting results, his patients could understand fasting unlike keto, most people were familiar with fasting through religion and such, so his patient compliance went way up, this video is one of him lecturing other doctors on diabetes
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: gopher]
#27053425 - 11/23/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Study the CNS mentioned doing vegan OMAD but I couldnt imagine that, for one plant foods are usually less caloricly dense so itd be hard to eat enough in an hours time to keep you full all day
Hi! Please deeply note that when someone is *cutting* weight with a sense of urgency, they are not in a position to "feel full all day." You want the opposite. Feeling full is one of the main culprits in getting people into medical trouble - especially once they obtain 40 years of age. At the very most, you should feel "full" for no more than 90 minutes for every 24 hours. Especially if someone needs to lose 150 pounds.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27053441 - 11/23/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I eat little under 1kg of meat. 450g of beans. 250g of organic butter + the greens and mushrooms and spices in single sitting most days. I dont feel lethargic after that. Can eat and continue what I´m doing. Carbs cause that full effect. They bind lots of water wich makes you feel bloated.
You dont have to feel hungry either when loosing weight. In ketosis there is no blood sugar jumping up and down. You feel satisfied most of the time.
I get you. Veggies are healthy. I eat minimum of 0,5kg dem per day. Just saying that to loose weight and get Type 2 in order strict keto perios first to do that. Go vegan after that if it is calling.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27053476 - 11/23/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Study the CNS mentioned doing vegan OMAD but I couldnt imagine that, for one plant foods are usually less caloricly dense so itd be hard to eat enough in an hours time to keep you full all day
Hi! Please deeply note that when someone is *cutting* weight with a sense of urgency, they are not in a position to "feel full all day." You want the opposite. Feeling full is one of the main culprits in getting people into medical trouble - especially once they obtain 40 years of age. At the very most, you should feel "full" for no more than 90 minutes for every 24 hours. Especially if someone needs to lose 150 pounds.
feeling hungry or full is just hormonal signalling, you might be able to white knuckle through hunger for a day, or month, or 6 months, but eventually your hormones are going to win out, and you are going to do what they signal you to do, one way that animal foods are superior is that you will feel more full for longer off less calories,animal foods are the perfect combination of fat and protein to trigger peptide YY and cholecystokinin, fasting by itself will reduce ghrelin to the point where you can make it to 4,5,6 PM without eating, and foods that encourage peptide YY and cholecystokinin will keep you stuffed the rest of the day off smallish amounts of calories.
on my egg experiment I couldnt eat anymore then 15 hardboiled eggs, thats only 1050 calories, and I had no desire to eat the rest of the day, thats way longer than 90 minutes
animal foods tend to be self regulating in weight, the advocates for the carnivore diet recommend eating 60-80% of your calories from fat and the rest protein, with calories unrestricted, eat till you are full, overweight people who follow this advice tend to lose weight, underweight people tend to gain weight, the exception being if you include dairy, dairy can massively inhibit weight loss in some people
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27053488 - 11/23/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: I eat little under 1kg of meat. 450g of beans. 250g of organic butter + the greens and mushrooms and spices in single sitting most days.
I can't imagine you living long on that diet. The amount of meat and butter combined can't be good according to any take on nutrition that I know.
Too much meat and nothing lipid but a great quantity of animal fat. I think you';re headed for a quadruple bypass and liver and kidney issues.
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
#27053508 - 11/23/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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that diet will raise LDL, but its a point of contention among low-carbers if LDL even means anything, for instance theres 2 types of LDL particles, big fluffy LDL and small dense LDL, small dense LDL is whats found in artery plaques, while saturated fat seems to raise the large fluffy LDL, sugar is what raises the small dense LDL
triglyceride/hdl ratio seems to be a better predictor heart disease then total LDL, that ratio tends to get better on a low carb diet
professor ken sakaris has some videos on low carb diets and cholesterol
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ken+sikaris+cholesterol+
and the guy I posted before, the nephrologist Jason Fung says if you have healthy kidneys protein is no problem on the kidneys
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
#27053581 - 11/23/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hard for me to explain this in english. TY Gopher.
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LeningradCowboy said: I eat little under 1kg of meat. 450g of beans. 250g of organic butter + the greens and mushrooms and spices in single sitting most days.
I can't imagine you living long on that diet. The amount of meat and butter combined can't be good according to any take on nutrition that I know.
Too much meat and nothing lipid but a great quantity of animal fat. I think you';re headed for a quadruple bypass and liver and kidney issues.
Feeling great actually.
Best shape in my life since childhood. Not going to keep up with these macros though. But now when repairing couple parts of my meat suit it does wonders to me. Combined to the fact that 24h fast boosts your HGH levesl up to 1300%-2000% so Things happen.
Thank you for your concern but really do we have to even debate wich diet is more healthy at this point? This works for me. Has worked for lot of people. Fructose/sugar is poison to liver btw.
The Bear aka Stanley Owsley the 3rd was strict carnivor btw. Look up his story. Did not die in heart attack, beated the cancer. Died in car accident at the age of 79 if recall correctly. He was strict with his diet. NO CARBS AT ALL. There is lots of examples about healthy carnivore/keto people.
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#27053660 - 11/23/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Study The CNS said: You want to feel hungry nearly every hour of the day, without actually traumatizing your body and mind.
See...this is one of the reasons I think veganism is just so dumb How does being hungry all day help anyone with a goal for losing fat, or, doing anything productive really?
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Eminence]
#27053683 - 11/23/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't use vegan methods all year round. I do it it like body buuilders do Post Cycle Therapy every 12 weeks. Being vegan 365 days is a whole, different challenge. By being hungry, I do not mean you're starving. I mean there is no need to be eating all the time, because you broke a habitual state of existence that was needy when it came to foods and beverages.
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