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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
    #27020029 - 11/03/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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All you have to do is fast for 3 months.

I don't know why you don't do that.





Because I understand metabolism better - you would cannibalize your own body for muscles, bones and electrolytes. You would end up in ruin along with having lost some fat, having depleted lean muscle, bone mass and intracellular electrolytes.




No, you would die because that was the joke.

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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Patlal]
    #27020030 - 11/03/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Eminence]
    #27020058 - 11/03/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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There's no need at all to have 6/7 meals a day though that's outdated info.



I was referring to 6 out of 7 days in the week, as in 1 dinner and 1 lunch take out/fast food/sit down restaurant.

Sorry I can understand that I wasn't clear in my post. I will edit it.


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
    #27020060 - 11/03/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Tomorrow I'll start with a cup of broth containing half a pound of mixed veggies with some extra virgin coconut oil and a piece of goat cheese  to kick off the diet and fuel a groceries run for some low carb goodies to assemble more balanced low carb meals.

I want to start in the morning so I deplete my glycogen while I sleep and then start eating green fatty protein to start me up.

When I started Atkins (nocarb) I lost 10 lbs of water weight in 5 days.

I'm curious what this will do.





Asante my breakfast everydag is a 1/3cup organic oats, 1/2cup skim milk, 1 tablespoon slivered almonds, 1 tablespoon golden raisins and a shake of salt, 2 minutes 15 seconds in the microwave, add a tablespoon of smartbalance, stir and let sit 5 minutes.

It is not low carb, but you need some simple carbs at the start of your day and protein, also 1/3 of a cup is less than the 1/2 cup standard serving. Plus you need the fiber.

Lower the carbs as the day goes on and you need less energy. Salad with protein for lunch then protein, green leafy veggie plus a second veggie or high nutrition value starch like beets or squash. :thumbup:


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
    #27020066 - 11/03/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Ease in and do it step wise.  For me, I started by cutting out refined sugar (e.g,. I dropped candy, soda, and table sugar in coffee).  Took a bit but I adapted.





I second doing things slowly, since changing your diet shouldn't be stressful. Stress would contribute it's own negative effects on the body. So, choose 1 thing, no more than 2 each day that you feel inspired to do that would help your diet. Small, achievable things every day.

I'm day 2 cutting out refined white sugar. Wishing you luck, we can do this together!


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Patlal]
    #27020170 - 11/03/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
All you have to do is fast for 3 months.

I don't know why you don't do that.





Because I understand metabolism better - you would cannibalize your own body for muscles, bones and electrolytes. You would end up in ruin along with having lost some fat, having depleted lean muscle, bone mass and intracellular electrolytes.




No, you would die because that was the joke.

Then you went and got CSI on my ass.



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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
    #27020380 - 11/03/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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fuel a groceries run for some low carb goodies.




fuel > goodies


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27020611 - 11/04/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Kastanje Champignons
Energie 130 kJ (30 kcal)
Vet 0.1 g
Waarvan verzadigd 0 g
Totaal onverzadigde vetzuren 0 g
Koolhydraten 4.5 g
Waarvan suikers 1.5 g
Voedingsvezel 0.6 g
Eiwitten 2.5 g

White Mushrooms
Energie 80 kJ (19 kcal)
Vet 0.5 g
Waarvan verzadigd 0.1 g
Totaal onverzadigde vetzuren 0.3 g
Koolhydraten 0.4 g
Waarvan suikers 0.2 g
Voedingsvezel 1.5 g
Eiwitten 2.5 g

Sorry its in Ducth but I think its pretty clear. 4,5gram carbs vs 0.4 gram carbs


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #27020620 - 11/04/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Buy fresh fruit. Anytime you have cravings for sugar,  grab a handful of blueberries,  slices of watermelon,  eat an orange,  etc.

Just cut out processed foods and unnecessary breads as much as is reasonable.  If you don't buy it, it can't tempt you. 

My diet is pretty well rounded.  When I visit family sugar and processed foods are so present and available its difficult to resist by day 2. 

But at home there isn't even the attraction because it's not present and in my face. When I go to the grocery store, most of what I get is from the produce and meat section.  All the packaged stuff I buy is more than likely an ingredient rather than something to snack on passively.


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #27020632 - 11/04/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some healthy ex’s I like very much:

Grilled cauliflower (instead of pasta) , seasoned as you like it, low sodium tomato sauce, cheese topping, and some grilled chicken.
It fills my desire for many of the varied pasta based dishes I grew up eating regularly.

Another thing, tempura everything!  Mushrooms, veggies, etc - using a super lite (seasoned) batter and also consuming a minimal amount of the oil.

Grilled chicken or salmon alone as main dishes or with a good lettuce/kale/arugula/spinach leaf with lots of good veggies thrown into the mix!

Hot pots!  So versatile, so good!

Squash soup.
Sweet potato soup
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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27020655 - 11/04/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Squash and sweet potatoe have a whole bunch of carbs. Better than pasta or rice but still a lot of carbs


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #27020668 - 11/04/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't have it, but to prevent it to occur, switch to a vegetable dominated low carb diet of preferably 3 meals a day, so I'd be so bold as to call that "intermittent fasting".





3 meals a day is fasting?


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #27020721 - 11/04/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Kastanje Champignons
Energie 130 kJ (30 kcal)
Vet 0.1 g
Waarvan verzadigd 0 g
Totaal onverzadigde vetzuren 0 g
Koolhydraten 4.5 g
Waarvan suikers 1.5 g
Voedingsvezel 0.6 g
Eiwitten 2.5 g

White Mushrooms
Energie 80 kJ (19 kcal)
Vet 0.5 g
Waarvan verzadigd 0.1 g
Totaal onverzadigde vetzuren 0.3 g
Koolhydraten 0.4 g
Waarvan suikers 0.2 g
Voedingsvezel 1.5 g
Eiwitten 2.5 g

Sorry its in Ducth but I think its pretty clear. 4,5gram carbs vs 0.4 gram carbs





So much for "A Cube Is A Cube" thats a tenfold difference in chestnut buttons and regular white button mushrooms.

Thanks for that, I really wouldnt have suspected.

Wolfed down my veggie marsh and my goats cheese.

Urgh, the potent taste of goats cheese is more something for later in the day, I'm gonna go with quark tomorrow.

But my first (very) low carb breakfast is a success. Right now I got the music in me, or at least 500 kcal, enough for a grocery run.


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27020843 - 11/04/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dead mouse? Lol maybe some people get it that bad. For me it's more like the taste of sucking on a penny, which I don't have anymore. But people can eat plenty of vegetables and remain in ketosis. I am not a big fruit fan but I really love some vegetables like squash or spinach or peppers, things like that. I ate tons of those when I was focused on keto and never fell out of ketosis. Now though I don't really "try" to stay in ketosis, I just do, because my tastes are naturally for fat and protein and the kinds of vegetables I mentioned. I do really like not being hungry throughout the day though. Very convenient. But after all these years of being low carb, even small amounts of sugar fuck me up. I ate 3 regular sized candy bars on Halloween which is more than I've had in the entire year combined, and man, the diarrhea mixed with constipation was hell. I passed out like 90 minutes afterwards too :lol:


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    #27020847 - 11/04/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dude I looove goat cheese. I have a pet goat, been thinking of getting a male for her and eventually making my own lol. It is strong though. I usually reserve breads and things like that for once or twice a week, usually homemade from sourdough starter, I really like goat cheese on sourbread toast with something like tapenade on top, or sun dried tomatoes.


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Eminence]
    #27020862 - 11/04/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This was an improvised meal, so the goats cheese served as a lactose free source of goat fat and protein and the veggie marsh served to get fiber and micronutrients in.

I'm in the process now.

I notice an unrest in my body, sweat-prone, bowels rumble and I pee more, all good things, the body is shifting from carb burning mode towards fat burning mode and with it expels the excess fluids of carb metabolism and the crap of carb based foods.

I drink plenty of water.

Just did a shopping run.

A bigass cauliflower, broccoli, winter carrot, and dark red bell pepper which I intend to lightly cook and puree, then freeze portions of, three half liters of full fat quark, 30 eggs, two boursin and blueberries.

It has begun.


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Eminence]
    #27020923 - 11/04/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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One thing that has stuck out in my mind for years since I read it was an essay on diet and exercise by legendary LSD chemist Owsley "Bear" Stanley. In it he makes the points about human diet being naturally largely carnivorous. Apparently he followed a no carb diet from 1959 until his death from a car accident in 2011. Many of his ideas have been expanded on and backed by more scientific study in recent years. Here's the page from his website the second section is on diet and exercise
http://www.thebear.org/essays1.html




You might be interested in "The Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, its one of the sources for the Bears ideas http://www.highsteaks.com/the-fat-of-the-land-not-by-bread-alone-vilhjalmur-stefansson.pdf

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Without putting a limit on calories you will gain weight when overeating on any diet




Thats a point of contention, traditionally very low carb diets never had a limit on calories, limiting calories on a "keto" diet is a modern thing, like the Pennington diet from the 50's was unrestricted in calories and and was very successful, basically if this interests you look into the hormonal theory of obesity, in a nutshell its hormones, not calories that drive obesity and a calorie is not a calorie, different calories trigger vastly different hormonal responses within the body, hormones dictate how much (Insulin) and where(Lipoprotein Lipase,not a hormone, but still) you store fat, they dictate if you feel hungry (Grehlin) or feel full (Peptide YY, Leptin), gallons of black coffee may have the same calories as a small soda pop, but even if you could drink gallons of black coffee it wouldnt put the same amount of fat on you as the HFCS in the soda pop

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All you have to do is fast for 3 months.

I don't know why you don't do that.





Because I understand metabolism better - you would cannibalize your own body for muscles, bones and electrolytes. You would end up in ruin along with having lost some fat, having depleted lean muscle, bone mass and intracellular electrolytes.




Well theres not a lot of modern studies done on long ass fasts, that was a thing of the 60's to fast skinny people for 90 days and then give them a shot of insulin just to see what happens lol, but there are a bunch of modern studies on Alternate Day Fasting vs Calorie Restriction, and the ADF out-preforms CR in preserving lean muscle mass, nature didnt make us store fat so we would just burn muscle when the chips are down, one bad winter would make us pretty useless if it did

https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-muscle-mass

back to the OP, if you are reducing carbs you need to increase fat or protein and protein should remain constant over any diet you are on so that leaves increasing fat, you seem to be on the right track drizzling oil and adding cheese to your veggies

I read in one of my books that was talking about pre-atkins low carb diets one of the doctors had a term "5% vegetables", that is vegetables that are 5% carbohydrates by weight, I found one single link on DDG talking about this, they have a list of fruits and veggies that are 5% carbs by weight https://theyerfitness.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/foods-with-5-carbs-or-less/

I know you have a ton of carby foods like rice and lentils and oatmeal, I would suggest you dont mix it in with the keto foods, you pick one or two days a week to be high carb days, and eat as close to keto as you can the other 5-6 days, that should keep you in ketosis like 2-3 days a week

and maybe eat on a 16:8 intermittent fasting schedule, only eat between noon and 8pm, I never had much luck on that schedule infact I have been doing ADF for the last 6 or 7 months and I have somehow plateaued eating every other day, for the last 3 months, I fluctuate between 160-165, but check out https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ the front page is full of progress pics of people dropping tons of weight since they started a 16:8 schedule, im envious they have it so easy, meanwhile I do a 42 day fast and only drop 20 pounds when the water weight came back

even if you dont want to do a 16:8 I recommend that everyone go at least 12 hours fasting window, eat between 8am-8pm, the longer you are out of a insulin dominate state, the healthier you will be overall, one of the proposed names for syndrome X was insulin-resistance syndrome, before they ultimately went with metabolic syndrome

heres a good video of a doctor lecturing other doctors on his diabetes theories, its a good watch


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: gopher]
    #27020949 - 11/04/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was starting to get a bit sick just now, "hunger sick", which I get when my glycogen depletes.

I countered it with an avocado and a bit of full fat quark.

That cured it, mostly.

My body is struggling to switch to fat burning mode, to switch from the solid rocket boosters (carb) to the main liquid fuel (fat)

Its all like "OMG HE KEEPS EATING FAT AND WE GOT SO MUCH OF IT ALREADY" while it unlocks the survival mechanism of ketosis.

My breath is already a bit smelly so I guess that if I were to test strip I'd be somewhat positive for ketosis, I remember from having done 1970s style Atkins that a peculiarity in breath odor is indicative of ketosis as good as the strips - I smell the ketones.

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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: Asante]
    #27020994 - 11/04/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

the urine strips suck, takes me 4-5 days of fasting to show colour on the urine strips, but the blood strips I hit 0.5 (low ketosis) by 48 hours of fasting


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Re: Test results are in.. Sooo.. who here eats Low Carb and what advice can you give? [Re: gopher]
    #27021003 - 11/04/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have a big voracious body, I rip through my storage of glycogen in half a day if I dont eat carbs. So fast, I get sick. The sickness is temporary though, then fat burning ensues, the sickness and hunger fade.

Its a very bad feeling tho, carb shortage, reminiscent of my heart attack :aweman:


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