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I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election * 1
    #27018367 - 11/02/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How come I've never heard of them before? Has anybody?


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27018388 - 11/02/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Because they are likely an arm of the Republican party. A true "libertarian" doesn't exist in the U.S.. They are a joke.

Rand Paul is a "libertarian." He wants to dismantle the government, and make weed legal. He has no plan to do any of it. He will however take those Republican dollars.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: christopera]
    #27018428 - 11/02/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Kanye was on the ballot in my state. Libertarians are about as much of a joke as he is.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27018474 - 11/02/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

in the US? Jo?


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27018481 - 11/02/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Libertarian's/Independents are the rarest of all the politicians. Almost no one has heard of them. I only heard about Jo Jorgensen from my best friend. He actually voted for her. She had some cool policies especially around cryptocurrency :awesome:

I would have voted Independent if I knew they had a fighting chance :sadyes:


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: masspan] * 1
    #27018500 - 11/02/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

lines were drawn in 2016 about the character of people in the US and i doubt people really changed 'sides' since or before then, the party system in the US means nothing anymore, Kanye tried and maybe started this idea of re-naming the parties, this might be his stroke of genius because it might take, who knows

Libertarianism, i think this requires personal responsibility that too many people don't have now, i believe Jo was that candidate, and i did not vote for her because it would have been useless

what is crazy to me is to see our current president compare himself to Abraham Lincoln because they are in the same 'party', there is no moral or technical or historical equivalence in this comparison, none, prove me wrong

so, new party names up for grabs; the NuDankBumpsters, the dudThkBidens, cshCowTrunksters, KammyrodTtotheVsters,..


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27018656 - 11/03/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
How come I've never heard of them before? Has anybody?



I hear about them all the time - it's a fairly pronounced facet of the rural american politique

I'm not sure how this is news (not to you specifically from being out of the country - but those who have lived here and paid any attention to the political process), remember - Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers and what not? :lol:


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27018679 - 11/03/20 04:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I voted for Gary Johnson one time. It is the one vote I wish I had back. That guy is a fucking idiot.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27018689 - 11/03/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
How come I've never heard of them before? Has anybody?




Jo has solid policies.  She's the only candidate on the ballot in all 50 states other than trump and biden.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Hobbyist] * 3
    #27018711 - 11/03/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’m voting for Jo Jo, I couldn’t in good conscience vote any other way.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: mycosis]
    #27018719 - 11/03/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah... how about that?!  The plots run deep:


"Once you get past the PR branded version of Gary Johnson and just see him for the conventional hard-right Republican he really is, you're no longer so surprised to learn that the people running Johnson’s presidential campaign were themselves big-name GOP political operatives — the darkest and the dirtiest operatives in the GOP cellar.

Exhibit A: Roger Stone, a self-described “GOP hitman” with a giant tattoo of Richard Nixon’s face etched across his back..."


https://pando.com/2016/01/08/gary-johnson-swindle-and-degradation-third-party-politics/


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Conscious Pilate] * 2
    #27018725 - 11/03/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I watched a little of the Libertarian National Convention in 2016 and their most pressing issue was whether blind people should be allowed to drive cars or not.

It was rather heated and they couldn’t come to a consensus. :laugh2:


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: mycosis]
    #27018739 - 11/03/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The closest we really have (for a short time longer) is a guy named Noam Chomsky.  He's sort of what would be classed an anarcho-syndicalist or 'libertarian socialist' or anarcho-communitst.

He's the one to read.  The libertarian party in the US will find more traction the closer it adheres to Chomsky's words.  That's my call, at least.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Conscious Pilate] * 1
    #27018753 - 11/03/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Chomsky is awesome but not really sure how he aligns with libertarians... they're pretty much just lassiez faire capitalists with better social leanings.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: twighead]
    #27018759 - 11/03/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Chomsky is awesome but not really sure how he aligns with libertarians... they're pretty much just lassiez faire capitalists with better social leanings.




AOC aligns pretty well with libertarian socialism, when looked at through a historical lens.

'Fighting Bob' LaFollette - from this period, last century - is also worth exploring through Libertarian ideals.

Libertarianism is a blanket term which does encompass more than the current corporate Koch/Ron/Rand Paul channeling Ayn Rand brand.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Conscious Pilate]
    #27018763 - 11/03/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah but that's not really what we define the word as today so there's not much use in using it as such.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: twighead]
    #27018803 - 11/03/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah but that's not really what we define the word as today so there's not much use in using it as such.





The vocabulary to discuss any of this is a foundational problem :smile:

Our ability to compare and contrast economic and political systems has been hamstrung by US educational systems.  Its both an economic and political control mechanism and completely by design.

This is Chomsky:

"Libertarianism has a special meaning predominantly in the United States. In the United States, it means dedication to extreme forms of tyranny. They don’t call it that, but it’s basically corporate tyranny, meaning tyranny by unaccountable private concentrations of power, the worst kind of tyranny you can imagine.

It picks up from the libertarian tradition one element, namely opposition to state power. But it leaves open all other forms of — and in fact favors — other forms of coercion and domination. So it’s radically opposed to the libertarian tradition, which was opposed to the master-servant relation.

Giving orders, taking orders — that’s a core of traditional anarchism, going back to classical liberalism. So it’s a special, pretty much uniquely American development and related to the unusual character of the United States in many respects."
https://chomsky.info/072015-2/


The guy is absolutely correct - but we DO have corporations.  Huge ones. 

Peter Thiel is perhaps the prime example of what he's talking about.  He's a corporate monopolist, but he sounds exactly like Chomsky and AOC when discussing the results of what he calls 'abundance'.  Musk is less of a monopolist but still a subsidy fed, anarcho-capitalist who'd prefer "moderate" direct democracy on Mars.   

American Libertarianism is a ball of confusion because of all this.

We end up with the large cohort of subsidy reliant, Libertarian/TEA Party members and 'built it themselves individualists' pushing for selective industry stimulus packages. :wink:


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Conscious Pilate] * 2
    #27019761 - 11/03/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I voted libertarian in the last election, this one, and I will continue to vote libertarian with the hopes that it gains traction.

Libertarian politics aren’t perfect but I think it’s the closest thing to a common-sense middle of the road position that many people could get behind if they weren’t pigeon-holed into the Democrat or republican trap

Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, with emphasis on preserving rights and personal freedom without too much government interference.


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #27019917 - 11/03/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Kanye was on the ballot in my state. Libertarians are about as much of a joke as he is.



Kanye is just taking black voters away from Biden
He loves Trump anyway:snowman:


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Re: I just found out there is a Libertarian Party running in the election [Re: Conscious Pilate] * 1
    #27020268 - 11/03/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

twighead said:
Yeah but that's not really what we define the word as today so there's not much use in using it as such.





The vocabulary to discuss any of this is a foundational problem :smile:

Our ability to compare and contrast economic and political systems has been hamstrung by US educational systems.  Its both an economic and political control mechanism and completely by design.

This is Chomsky:

"Libertarianism has a special meaning predominantly in the United States. In the United States, it means dedication to extreme forms of tyranny. They don’t call it that, but it’s basically corporate tyranny, meaning tyranny by unaccountable private concentrations of power, the worst kind of tyranny you can imagine.

It picks up from the libertarian tradition one element, namely opposition to state power. But it leaves open all other forms of — and in fact favors — other forms of coercion and domination. So it’s radically opposed to the libertarian tradition, which was opposed to the master-servant relation.

Giving orders, taking orders — that’s a core of traditional anarchism, going back to classical liberalism. So it’s a special, pretty much uniquely American development and related to the unusual character of the United States in many respects."
https://chomsky.info/072015-2/


The guy is absolutely correct - but we DO have corporations.  Huge ones. 

Peter Thiel is perhaps the prime example of what he's talking about.  He's a corporate monopolist, but he sounds exactly like Chomsky and AOC when discussing the results of what he calls 'abundance'.  Musk is less of a monopolist but still a subsidy fed, anarcho-capitalist who'd prefer "moderate" direct democracy on Mars.   

American Libertarianism is a ball of confusion because of all this.

We end up with the large cohort of subsidy reliant, Libertarian/TEA Party members and 'built it themselves individualists' pushing for selective industry stimulus packages. :wink:



Good analysis - I wish that there was as much awareness of the actual meaning of words across the board in this country :lol:


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