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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel] 1
#27030172 - 11/09/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: 90% is not bad but we want it to be 99% at least.
Still, 90% would cause herd immunity.
99.99% would be required proven to make it a mandatory vaccine. Smallpox? Smallpox was treated by scraping a cow that had cowpox then scraping a person with it to give them immunity to smallpox and cowpox was non fatal anyway since the early 1800s. By the time the vaccine was mandatory it had really been tested for 150 years.
You want immunity? You can request plasma from a doner who has immunity to covid 19 like Trump did. Much more reliable. Harder to come by as well of course. Aint no 99.0% effective covid vaccine is going into my arm. You need 4 9s for that shit 99.99% or take a hike.
Also why does Biden want to try and rejoin us into WHO after Trump tried to remove us? Fuck WHO. They were pretty much responsible for this pandemic shit. Quite frankly WHO has done a shit job with HIV, ebola, and smallpox malaria over the years. Edit: my mistake typing in malaria
We had mandatory smallpox vaccinations in the 1960s despite not having any smallpox transmission in the US for the two previous decades. You’re comparing a vaccine for an abstract threat to a vaccine for an active pandemic that is killing 1,000 people a day. I doubt 1,000 people in the US died of small pox during the entire 20th century:
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imachavel said: Trump may be able to delay this indefinitely tying up the supreme court with ballot recounts. Bidens first day in office may be his last day 4 years from now. Sucks to be a Democrat.
Not possible. The 20th American Constitutional Amendment declares a president's term ends on January 20 if they were not voted in as president-elect for the next term. Wikipedia link to 20th amendment
The Supreme Court decision in 2000 ordered the end of the recount. They weren’t tied up by the recount.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27030377 - 11/09/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The young turds are not a reliable source and Trump does not qualify as a fascist.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: lowbrow] 1
#27030439 - 11/09/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You want immunity? You can request plasma from a doner who has immunity to covid 19 like Trump did. Much more reliable. Harder to come by as well of course. Aint no 99.0% effective covid vaccine is going into my arm. You need 4 9s for that shit 99.99% or take a hike
Injecting someone else’s antibodies does not teach your immune system how to make antibodies.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27030456 - 11/09/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its not required either. Its a way to save someones life. Which is the only reason to give someone a vaccine as well. But out of 10,000 people getting a vaccine less then 1 person out of that should either die or not be effected by the vaccine. With less accuracy a mandatory vaccine would just be death or a waste of money. Sick people need money to eat so spending it on a vaccine that is useless is pretty much a solid lead to death.
There is no solid evidence either that giving someone antibodies means those antibodies are enough to completely fight a virus and you won't develop your own anyway. Its a boost. To keep someone alive longer. Same way giving someone antibiotics will only kill bacteria until your system gets strong enough again to fight the bacteria on its own. Its not a cure all solution.
Also a vaccine is not a cure all solution. Its a way to serious inhibit the spread of a disease and it usually works enough to cure enough people that it puts a brick wall in front of a virus to stop it from spreading. But as mandatory? Why? Is the country going bankrupt and not one person can go outside to make a food delivery to a grocery store so no one can eat or make money and everyone is going to die? Its not that bad. A mandatory vaccine would hurt more then it would help.
Also, believe it or not a lot of people would refuse. It would cause social unrest. People would just stop going out if they could survive inside. Quite frankly you would need martial law to impose that type of mandatory injection or it would be unconstitutional.
How would it help you anyway? You can take the vaccine or stop going outside. Without a mandatory order. If you feel that strongly about it next time a stay-at-home-until-a-vaccine-exists-order is given don't go out and pick shrooms. Even socially distanced in the woods its illegal. Not without a vaccine. You should support things that mirror your behavior if you support the morals your behavior should reflect a good example. Its in the spirit of things. I know you never violate the spirit of things. I could quote you on that but don't feel like scrolling back that far
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27030573 - 11/09/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This country cannot afford to use therapeutics as the primary medical intervention for covid. Things like plasma infusions or monoclonal antibodies are extremely costly. MAB drugs are the most expensive class of drug on the market. Growing the antibodies is a time consuming process, which means demand will outstrip supply. Likely these treatments will cost 5k-10k per dose. And they are much more likely to cause adverse reactions.
Vaccines kill or maim almost nobody. 1 in millions.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27030604 - 11/09/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eli Lily’s MAB drug was just approved to treat covid. The government bought up the supply at a cost of $1250 a dose.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods] 1
#27030671 - 11/09/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27030738 - 11/09/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: This country cannot afford to use therapeutics as the primary medical intervention for covid. Things like plasma infusions or monoclonal antibodies are extremely costly. MAB drugs are the most expensive class of drug on the market. Growing the antibodies is a time consuming process, which means demand will outstrip supply. Likely these treatments will cost 5k-10k per dose. And they are much more likely to cause adverse reactions.
Vaccines kill or maim almost nobody. 1 in millions.
1 in millions after thorough testing and years on the market. Not that I care if you can get it experimentally why not just release it already. Its everyone's choice. But as a mandate? In evolutionary terms this virus is a newborn baby. It hasn't even been slapped on the ass yet by the doctor so it coughs. It hasn't even taken its first breath. In this phase of the virus where in the world would any doctor think any covid vaccine would be so well proven that its fatality rate as a result of catching the bug is merely 1 in a million and should be mandated? Did the smallpox vaccine even kill 1 in a million when it was mandated to be given to children?
Do you still have to sign a piece of paper saying you won't sue the pharmaceutical if you take the vaccine if its government required? Will the Republicans fight this and Dems try and pass it? Will the Dems try and pass it but the Republicans fight it? Will BLM march through the streets claiming the Government is killing black babies by forcing the vaccine on minorities? Will ALM march through the street protesting against BLM saying the vaccine is harmless it only kills mothers who want to abort their babies and they deserve to die? Will protestors rally outside Wall Street with masks socially distanced protesting big pharma monopolising the market they lobbied Congress to mandate the vaccine so the public has to pay for it or Government social security pays for it but either way big Pharma is guaranteed big money and they are violating anti monopolies laws policies?
cmon Koods the outcome of this is just......
..... Just horrible man. Just awful. I am sure 96% of the population will be rushing to get the vaccine as soon its released anyway. There is no government mandate to take a flu vaccine. It kills millions a year. The list of reasons I could go on with about what a horrible idea it is to mandate a covid vaccine is just near infinite.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel] 3
#27030746 - 11/09/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hahaha trump lost.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27030763 - 11/09/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are multiple companies that will produce vaccines, so I have no idea what you’re taking about monoplolies for.
Vaccines are the safest medical intervention ever invented. The number of annual deaths caused by vaccines in the US is in the single digits, yet people are afraid of them. The drugs people like to take like Tylenol and Hydroxychloroquine kill 35,000 a year. The pandemic a well accepted vaccine would end has already killed a quarter million.
The next few weeks a lot of this country will be taking a few steps back towards lockdowns. The bodies are already starting to pile up in the Midwest. If you want to get back to normalcy as painlessly as possible, then wear a fucking mask and get vaccinated as soon as it’s available to you. People need to grow up.
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Any of you guys ever had polio? No? That's because vaccines work.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: nooneman]
#27030774 - 11/09/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This guy hasn’t even learned the difference between therapeutics and vaccines. He thinks the lily antibodies are a vaccine.
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Re: joe biden won the election! [Re: SARAtonin]
#27030794 - 11/09/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: Lets have that discussion in another thread.
This thread now is all about BIDEN WINNING and trump losing
Agreed, and you didn’t deserve what I said, but it’s a wide spread option that you really need to take a better look at your mod team. Thanks for all you keep doing for us. (Champagne too loud)
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: Smartattack] 1
#27030807 - 11/09/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: Trump is selling his helicopter, I guess its time for liquidation to fund the litigation?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/11/08/president-trumps-helicopter-is-for-sale-make-an-offer/?sh=5f4e288c4468
Yeah I wonder if he's a bit hard up for cash these days. The Four Seasons Landscaping press conference kind of gave that impression as well.
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Re: joe biden won the election! [Re: Lophosaurus]
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LeningradCowboy said: 384 counties had dead people registered as voters. Tells enough IMHO.
I Find it really funny and hilarious that when Trump got elected 4 years a go people were accusing even Russia for being the reason and guilty for election fraud. Now 4 years later the consensus among Biden supporters seems to be that election fraud is not even possible
Trump was in charge of the country, voter interference, and voter fraud. If he wanted to make sure that there was no fraud then he should have done that when he was in office instead of playing golf and watching TV. If there was fraud on a massive scale then it is on Trump. Russia was a big part of the reason and the only reason Trump wasn't charged is because he was the sitting president which is bullshit. Now that he is out of office he will have to defend himself in quite a few lawsuits I believe and him and his organization is looking very very guilty.
Trump and his followers are just pathetic sore losers.
Also, if anyone is going to be charged with voter interference and voter intimidation then it would definitely be Trump for discouraging people from mailing in their votes and for slowing down the postal service.
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Re: joe biden won the election! [Re: Lophosaurus]
#27031145 - 11/10/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread now is all about BIDEN WINNING and trump losing
Agreed, and you didn’t deserve what I said, but it’s a wide spread option that you really need to take a better look at your mod team. Thanks for all you keep doing for us. (Champagne too loud)
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Re: joe biden won the election! [Re: Asante]
#27031155 - 11/10/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm for vaccines for most uses - certain viruses it's less practical due to their mutation rate ... i.e. the flu - and the corona is yet to be seen if it's in this category - and it's good if lots of people take them and it eradicates an illness... - I'm just personally a bit leery because my half-sister has been paralyzed from the neck down from a MMR vaccine for about 40 years. I'm aware of the science, success and associated risks - It's just that I'm genetically related to someone who did get fucked up by one - makes me feel I may have a similar susceptibility to some of the ingredients somewhere. Who knows. I have a strong immune system anyway so on that note I'm usually happy to be the person who consciously opts out and lets the others around me develop herd immunity Though I wouldn't necessarily recommend others do the same? It's kind of tricky I'm vaccinated for specific things... but less broadly than some.
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