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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
    #27029567 - 11/09/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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f we can force people to get better then we can start forcing alcoholics to go to rehab against their wil



Employers and the justice system require addicts attend AA or go to rehab ALL THE FUCKING TIME.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
    #27029574 - 11/09/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Pfizer just announced their vaccine reduced the number of infections by 90% compared to the control group.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
    #27029581 - 11/09/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

90% is not bad but we want it to be 99% at least.

Still, 90% would cause herd immunity.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
    #27029587 - 11/09/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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f we can force people to get better then we can start forcing alcoholics to go to rehab against their wil



Employers and the justice system require addicts attend AA or go to rehab ALL THE FUCKING TIME.




:whathesaid:

I got popped for weed a zillion years ago and part of the conditional sentencing(no jail) was I had to complete 16 weeks of AA.. for a weed charge.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27029605 - 11/09/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Normal clinical trials are run to make sure the vaccine is both effective and safe in use, especially in long run and longterm side-effects are screened if there are any. Phase 1 should be done and data nalyzed before phase 2 is started. Same thing with phase 2 before phase 3 is started. Phase 3 should last at least 1 year, usually longer to get longterm side-effects screened and to ennsure the ffectivines of the vaccine. Cutting time from those phases or startin new phase before another one is over and data analyzed is RISKY. And result is vaccine with possible longterm side-effects and no quaranteed effect.

In this july EU made new vaccine clinical trial rules. Where is stated that these rules override all national rules for vaccine trials inside EU.

Now we have multible companies in the same race for the biggest deal of century. Corners are skipped to get that deal.
This does not ensure that the outcome is safe or effective vaccine.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27029608 - 11/09/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Then dont take it when it comes out:shrug:


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27029611 - 11/09/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What do you guys think? Should covid-19 vaccine be mandatory to ensure the safe and normal life for risk groups?

Because this is how it is going to be marketed for civils.
My country all ready made mandatory vaccine law that states that it can be used to make sure nation or part of it has secure life.

I´m strongly against this!


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27029615 - 11/09/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Phase 3 are efficacy trails. They are not designed to last a period of time, but until there is enought data to demonstrate a drug or vaccine works. If you are showing 90% efficacy, some adverse reactions would be acceptable, but none have occurred. This vaccine will be approved within weeks.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27029616 - 11/09/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Like with polio, small and chicken pox?

Yes. If ur too paranoid stay at home in your doomsday bunker. your right to paranoia doesnt trump others rights to not be infected by you. Kinda like the mask thing.

Your desired comfort level doesnt mean you can expose other people.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #27029619 - 11/09/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What do you guys think? Should covid-19 vaccine be mandatory to ensure the safe and normal life for risk groups?

Because this is how it is going to be marketed for civils.
My country all ready made mandatory vaccine law that states that it can be used to make sure nation or part of it has secure life.

I´m strongly against this!




It should be mandatory. There are too many ill informed freedom fetishists out there. I’m totally for non-vaccinated people being excluded from as many aspects of society as possible. The pandemic has already dragged on too long due to selfish assholes, and we can’t afford to let the feeble minded sabotage the health of others anymore.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
    #27029650 - 11/09/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Phase 3 are efficacy trails. They are not designed to last a period of time, but until there is enought data to demonstrate a drug or vaccine works. If you are showing 90% efficacy, some adverse reactions would be acceptable, but none have occurred. This vaccine will be approved within weeks.




You are wrong on this one dude, sorry.
The purpose to give it to large group and to gather data for one year or longer is to screen out longterm side-effects and to ensure that vaccine is efficient in longrun.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27029664 - 11/09/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds like the Voter fraud hotline

1-888-630-1776

is being overrun with prank calls https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/09/trump-voter-fraud-hotline-spam/

That is terrible, they set up the number 1-888-630-1776 to help detect fraud not so a bunch of punk kids could harass them by calling 1-888-630-1776

You should only call 1-888-630-1776 to report cases of vote fraud, not as a joke!


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: viraldrome]
    #27029670 - 11/09/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: viraldrome]
    #27029671 - 11/09/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It sounds like the Voter fraud hotline

1-888-630-1776

is being overrun with prank calls https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/09/trump-voter-fraud-hotline-spam/

That is terrible, they set up the number 1-888-630-1776 to help detect fraud not so a bunch of punk kids could harass them by calling 1-888-630-1776

You should only call 1-888-630-1776 to report cases of vote fraud, not as a joke!





Yeah its outrageous :yesnod:


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: Asante]
    #27029955 - 11/09/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Meanwhile the AdventureQuest Worlds MMORPG switches from Mowgloween mode to being able to quest together the "Apocalyptic Lich King" :lol:


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: viraldrome]
    #27030010 - 11/09/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A lot of people won't want to take the vaccine.




The vaccine will likely be required by most employers as a condition of employment. Businesses are not going to want to have the burden of having employees getting customers or other employees sick.

It will certainly be a requirement to attend any school or college.




You can't do that. You can't require someone to take aspirin. A persons reaction to something is unpredictable. A person could be allergic to aspirin. Imagine a covid vaccine? Maybe someone incarcerated may have to take it. But beyond that a person has rights.




Mandatory vaccinations have a long history in the US. The Supreme Court has ruled that a state can punish citizens with fines and quarantines if they refuse to get vaccinated. Everyone my age and older has a scar on their upper arm from the smallpox vaccine.

You would be free to not get the covid vaccine. You just won’t be allowed to participate in society. Your choice.




Things have changed since smallpox. Smallpox spent a few years killing about a billion people total. At one time that was 9/10ths the worlds population over a few hundred years. When the vaccine came out it was mandatory for children. Adults had an option. Smallpox killed 1/3rd the people it infected. One third died. One third went blind. One third totally recovered. Your ultra left idea that people will be forced to take a covid vaccination is absurd. My choice? Damn right its not my choice. You won't force me to take a not even 1 year tested vaccine. Neither will Biden. Wrap that around your ultra liberal mind.

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in all fairness, most thoughtful people are not going to be the first in line to take this or any vaccine without conditions

everyone wants a cure for this, but most people will not chose to be the 'guinea pigs' i.e. get the clap/microchipped/whatever

so who is going to step up and blaze this trail, and how are they being selected/volunteering/whatever?

i think i might take one for the team if in the event that i died, the rest of the country/world/whatever, took care of the people that i truly loved, but love is dead to some degree with some portion of 1/2 of the US




Vaccines are extremely low risk. The fear they induce is totally irrational.




Thank god no one asks you for medical advice.

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It sounds like the Voter fraud hotline

1-888-630-1776

is being overrun with prank calls https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/09/trump-voter-fraud-hotline-spam/

That is terrible, they set up the number 1-888-630-1776 to help detect fraud not so a bunch of punk kids could harass them by calling 1-888-630-1776

You should only call 1-888-630-1776 to report cases of vote fraud, not as a joke!




I don't think it matters at this point



Trump may be able to delay this indefinitely tying up the supreme court with ballot recounts. Bidens first day in office may be his last day 4 years from now. Sucks to be a Democrat.

At first I was happy to think Trump would get booted. But of course automatically ultra liberal fanatics start up with the bullshit talk about shutting down the economy for covid until a mandatory vaccine is required next year right around this time.

Well truthfully as I said between these two parties may the better party win. If Trump is too incompetent to hold office may Biden win. If liberals start acting like retarded communists trying to pass AOCs stupid trillion Green New Deal bills and Trump can outsmart them in the Supreme Court and hold office for another 4 years as long as Biden cannot prove he actually won then truthfully the retarded Democratic party takes a hit and Trump sticks around for 4 years and maybe does a better job then Biden.

Politics sucks. No fucking way do we need another economic shutdown to prolong social distancing until a mandatory vaccine comes out that will spare children and kill adults over 65 just the way catching the virus naturally does anyway. I did not disagree with Trump calling Fauci an idiot that contributed towards this outbreak happening anyway by remaining ignorant of his job position. I disagreed with Trump's hardcore fanatical racist approach. But removing a fascist from office to replace him with a fucking Communist is a bad idea.

:cheers: 4 more years buddy. Keep sending legal teams to the supreme court.


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: Asante]
    #27030025 - 11/09/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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90% is not bad but we want it to be 99% at least.

Still, 90% would cause herd immunity.




99.99% would be required proven to make it a mandatory vaccine. Smallpox? Smallpox was treated by scraping a cow that had cowpox then scraping a person with it to give them immunity to smallpox and cowpox was non fatal anyway since the early 1800s. By the time the vaccine was mandatory it had really been tested for 150 years.

You want immunity? You can request plasma from a doner who has immunity to covid 19 like Trump did. Much more reliable. Harder to come by as well of course. Aint no 99.0% effective covid vaccine is going into my arm. You need 4 9s for that shit 99.99% or take a hike.

Also why does Biden want to try and rejoin us into WHO after Trump tried to remove us? Fuck WHO. They were pretty much responsible for this pandemic shit. Quite frankly WHO has done a shit job with HIV, ebola, and smallpox malaria over the years. Edit: my mistake typing in malaria


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: mushboy]
    #27030161 - 11/09/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Like with polio, small and chicken pox?

Yes. If ur too paranoid stay at home in your doomsday bunker. your right to paranoia doesnt trump others rights to not be infected by you. Kinda like the mask thing.

Your desired comfort level doesnt mean you can expose other people.





I'm glad to see you post this.  I remember you were quite against the whole virus being a threat earlier this year, but it seems you've come around.  :thumbup:


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
    #27030162 - 11/09/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Biden doesn't need to be in the white house to be president, he can do it from his basement. :lol:


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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #27030168 - 11/09/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump may be able to delay this indefinitely tying up the supreme court with ballot recounts. Bidens first day in office may be his last day 4 years from now. Sucks to be a Democrat.





Not possible.
The 20th American Constitutional Amendment declares a president's term ends on January 20 if they were not voted in as president-elect for the next term.
Wikipedia link to 20th amendment


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