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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: mushboy]
#27028695 - 11/08/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Ok can we move on to the positive? From a more practical approach and a less personal approach a lot of people say Trump was the best thing for the economy and Joe Biden will tank it with hardcore leftism. Is any of this substantially true? I hated Trump's social approach always talking shit about Mexicans and proclaiming building a wall will stop crime from coming into the country, acting like Putin was a "a great guy he is very different then people think he is we have a great relationship" like they were dating etc.
But on a practical level will Biden be able to turn around any of the destruction this country has faced on a huge economic scale from covid? Will him replacing Trump make absolutely no difference to the economy or the covid situation? I dare to say I already know the answer. I am just curious on what anyone else thinks.
As far as COVID, there isn't a return to the pre-pandemic economic stability until the virus is under control. Restaurants are getting crushed by restrictions, but even the ones that are allowed to be fully open around me are sinking ships due to a large portion of their customers just not wanting to take the risk. Mostly the more expensive ones, the ones with younger crowds seem to still be doing okay, but not great. Any relief provided by the trump administration bought them a couple weeks, but the outlook is bad. Takeout places and drive thrus are hopping, but classic sit-down restaurants and the service industry as a whole are gonna take the hit on this one regardless.
His plan for more testing and contact tracing is a solid way to boost peoples' sense of safety and slow the spread, along with masks of course. Selective business closures... we'll have to see, but if he listens only to people in the medical field and not economists it could be bad. No one knows the perfect balance, hopefully he can end up somewhere in between. From what I read of it, the focus is how to safely reopen things, not how to shut everything down and hope it goes away like some on the left would prefer.
I know he plans to knock 10k off student loans. That won't do much, bump it up to 30-50k like other democrats are pushing and you'd see a huge amount of spending increase. The age range of people in the country who should be buying houses, having kids, taking risks on creative start-ups, traveling and spending money etc. are living with their parents and eating ramen right now trying to pay back their loans. Whether people agree with handouts or not, IMO doing something on student debt would be a huge jump start.
Other than that, I really don't have much hope or opinions. I think economically it'll largely be more of the same with a republican senate. I'd love to tax the shit out of the rich, make state school free, have a huge push towards creating green-energy deals, get healthcare under control, but I don't see it.
Fair enough
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koods said: DC has blocked streets and lanes in areas with restaurants and moved the seating outside into tents. The restaurants seem pretty busy.
Around here restaurants can seat 50% capacity. They are pretty busy. Yet its nothing compare to do the days when you could pack a place so tight there was a like outside. Economics are far better then people predicted before covid took a huge hit on the world. Still not to the levels where there are not still millions and millions of unemployed people. I assume it will be over soon though. And by soon I mean 6 - 12 months. Once vaccines start coming out I imagine as covid cases go down things will have to open up completely and old people take a risk if they don't want a vaccine and go outside without a mask. But that will take awhile. A lot of people won't want to take the vaccine. Other people will take it but it will be a smaller portion of the population. No one says a vaccine will work with totally 100% positive unflawed results any time soon anyway. Things will resume. But this is the new normal for now. Not to mention with jobless claims comes civil unrest always. It is not necessarily aimed at what is to blame anyway. Unemployed people with unemployment tend to fill the streets and with hindered adrenaline make problems like for example claiming a civil war will fill the streets if their candidate of choice is not elected President. Only time will tell. Things are much better but far far far from an "ideal normal."
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mushboy said: It's being reported that even trumps fembot is telling him he needs to concede.
I'm terrible at predictions, but I predict he's going to surprise us by conceding eventually.
He pretty much has to anyway, there's not a fucking thing he can do about this 
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel] 2
#27028963 - 11/08/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really cannot understand why Bernie was not the one getting elected.
I think it's rather simple: He has integrity.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: ZenZone] 3
#27029019 - 11/08/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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And because the Democrats are not really all that left wing at all on certain issues, e.g. healthcare. An actual left wing politician like Sanders is at kind of the fringe of the supposed left wing party.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: psi] 3
#27029029 - 11/08/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been following Bernie of Facebook and I literally agree with every he post he makes. Like for months and months I have not disagreed with anything he has said. Dude would have been great president. Biden is just slightly better than Trump. I hope he croaks fast and Kamala takes over.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: viraldrome]
#27029050 - 11/08/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of people won't want to take the vaccine.
The vaccine will likely be required by most employers as a condition of employment. Businesses are not going to want to have the burden of having employees getting customers or other employees sick.
It will certainly be a requirement to attend any school or college.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: ZenZone] 1
#27029055 - 11/08/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really cannot understand why Bernie was not the one getting elected.
I think it's rather simple: He has integrity.
Americans are not going to elect a socialist anytime soon. I used to think he had a chance but the anti-socialist mentality of the American voter is very clear now.
He would have been destroyed in the election
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27029067 - 11/08/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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in all fairness, most thoughtful people are not going to be the first in line to take this or any vaccine without conditions
everyone wants a cure for this, but most people will not chose to be the 'guinea pigs' i.e. get the clap/microchipped/whatever
so who is going to step up and blaze this trail, and how are they being selected/volunteering/whatever?
i think i might take one for the team if in the event that i died, the rest of the country/world/whatever, took care of the people that i truly loved, but love is dead to some degree with some portion of 1/2 of the US
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: masspan]
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27029429 - 11/09/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of people won't want to take the vaccine.
The vaccine will likely be required by most employers as a condition of employment. Businesses are not going to want to have the burden of having employees getting customers or other employees sick.
It will certainly be a requirement to attend any school or college.
You can't do that. You can't require someone to take aspirin. A persons reaction to something is unpredictable. A person could be allergic to aspirin. Imagine a covid vaccine? Maybe someone incarcerated may have to take it. But beyond that a person has rights.
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LeningradCowboy said: It is not like you are going to be asked if you want it.
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2020/11/07/state-bar-passes-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-recommendation/?slreturn=20201009000335
Fucking A. Its unconstitutional. You can't even make a sick dying person take medicine beyond their will. A person has to have no right to make decisions anymore to be forced to do something. In which case a family member makes the decision. Cmon without naming names I have had family that died that requested not to be on life support anymore if they could not make decisions for them self. Their wish was granted.
If we can force people to get better then we can start forcing alcoholics to go to rehab against their will. You know this shit won't stick. Maybe in another country. Not this country.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27029463 - 11/09/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well see. Uncle Joe is going to open the economy. At what ever means it needs.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27029492 - 11/09/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of people won't want to take the vaccine.
The vaccine will likely be required by most employers as a condition of employment. Businesses are not going to want to have the burden of having employees getting customers or other employees sick.
It will certainly be a requirement to attend any school or college.
You can't do that. You can't require someone to take aspirin. A persons reaction to something is unpredictable. A person could be allergic to aspirin. Imagine a covid vaccine? Maybe someone incarcerated may have to take it. But beyond that a person has rights.
Mandatory vaccinations have a long history in the US. The Supreme Court has ruled that a state can punish citizens with fines and quarantines if they refuse to get vaccinated. Everyone my age and older has a scar on their upper arm from the smallpox vaccine.
You would be free to not get the covid vaccine. You just won’t be allowed to participate in society. Your choice.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27029494 - 11/09/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: It is not like you are going to be asked if you want it.
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2020/11/07/state-bar-passes-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-recommendation/?slreturn=20201009000335
Fucking A. Its unconstitutional. You can't even make a sick dying person take medicine beyond their will. A person has to have no right to make decisions anymore to be forced to do something. In which case a family member makes the decision. Cmon without naming names I have had family that died that requested not to be on life support anymore if they could not make decisions for them self. Their wish was granted.
If we can force people to get better then we can start forcing alcoholics to go to rehab against their will. You know this shit won't stick. Maybe in another country. Not this country.
Very much this country. It’s settled case law.
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He’s going to shut it down, he’s made that clear. He’s the candidate for people scared of their own shadows.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: lowbrow]
#27029524 - 11/09/20 04:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: He’s going to shut it down, he’s made that clear. He’s the candidate for people scared of their own shadows.
And if he doesn't shut the entire country down youll admit you were wrong and brainwashed to believe this?
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: imachavel]
#27029538 - 11/09/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of people won't want to take the vaccine.
The vaccine will likely be required by most employers as a condition of employment. Businesses are not going to want to have the burden of having employees getting customers or other employees sick.
It will certainly be a requirement to attend any school or college.
You can't do that. You can't require someone to take aspirin. A persons reaction to something is unpredictable. A person could be allergic to aspirin. Imagine a covid vaccine? Maybe someone incarcerated may have to take it. But beyond that a person has rights.
You're confusing rights with voluntary employment or membership. A business can require a college degree or require vaccination. That's no infringing on your rights lololol.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: masspan]
#27029559 - 11/09/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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masspan said: in all fairness, most thoughtful people are not going to be the first in line to take this or any vaccine without conditions
everyone wants a cure for this, but most people will not chose to be the 'guinea pigs' i.e. get the clap/microchipped/whatever
so who is going to step up and blaze this trail, and how are they being selected/volunteering/whatever?
i think i might take one for the team if in the event that i died, the rest of the country/world/whatever, took care of the people that i truly loved, but love is dead to some degree with some portion of 1/2 of the US
Vaccines are extremely low risk. The fear they induce is totally irrational.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27029561 - 11/09/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its said "LSD causes psychological disturbances in those who haven't taken it"
The same seems to apply for vaccines.
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Re: joe Biden won the election! [Re: koods]
#27029562 - 11/09/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If the vaccine was worth that amount of fear they wouldn't try to give it to millions of people.
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