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SGFC for gourmet mushrooms
    #27015539 - 11/01/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So I really wanted to start doing some gourmet mushrooms. And I was thinking lions mane, oyster, shiitake, and go from there. My only downside is I do not have the space for a Martha tek greenhouse, and I was curious if I could just use a SGFC with perlite it some hydroponic type rocks to hold humidity, I would use a pasty ezdial tub for FAE, and I could just make jars or spawn bags and set the entire bag inside the plastic tote. I tried searching the forums and did not find anything. These tubs would most likely sit next to other tubs filled with cubensis and pans.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27015854 - 11/01/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

SGFC works for gourmets. Might have to do a little extra fanning with co2  sensitive mushrooms like oysters.

put a fan blowing air around the room the sgfc is in but not directly at the fc. and make sure it is elevated off the surface it rests on so air can flow underneath and up through it.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: deadmandave]
    #27015867 - 11/01/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sweet! I don’t think I’ll need to elevate it, my shelf that my SGFC will be on is a metal shelf so you can see the bottoms of the chamber pretty easily. I already have 2 small fans on low in my room.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27016699 - 11/02/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

From my experience with my SGFC you arent going to get very good fruits with oysters. Its just not possible to get enough FAE to them. I also dont have the space for a tent but I have a two tote setup. I use the SGFC to initiate pinning and to put harvested blocks back into. Once I see pinning I move blocks to my other tote that has auto mister/fan/lights/appropriate holes. Even with a PC fan running every 5 mins you still wont get ideal oyster fruits. Wayyyy better than the ones you get trying to fruit out of your sgfc though. Other species may be different but oysters jist need TONS of fresh air.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: sendmehummus]
    #27016772 - 11/02/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can't tell you how many posts of people trying to grow oysters in SGFC that are crying for help on why there oysters look like a Dr. Suess illustration. :lmafo:


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: seagu]
    #27016979 - 11/02/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Could oysters be grown just on a shelf? Just mist twice a day? That’s how the grow kits are sent out and told you fruit?


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce] * 1
    #27017150 - 11/02/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

When i wanted to grow oysters with a sgfc i used a storage shelf with the sgfc underneath. I probably fanned it a misted a couple times a day.. i dont really remember.





They look ok, maybe a little stemmy but not off putting.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: deadmandave]
    #27017711 - 11/02/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah youll get much better results just misting the block in open air (maybe some soaked towels on the rack below your block). Only reason I run an auto chamber is cause Im gone most of the day and Ive got it dialed in to produce generally decent fruits. Not perfect, but we never will achieve perfect oysters with totes haha. Kings are a diff story though since their stems are their best part. So you can have inadequate air flow for Kings and still get some damn good stems.

@deadmandave Im liking that ziploc bag setup, are those supplemented? Did you use your own filter or just burp the bags? Im intrigued.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: sendmehummus]
    #27017883 - 11/02/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

not supplemented, just a high spawn rate. for small scale pasteurizing, ziplocs are easier and more economical than filter patch bags.

after i stuff the bags and close them i stab it 6 or so with a knife so it can breathe.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: deadmandave]
    #27018047 - 11/02/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I grew a bunch of pounds of oysters in open air with just hand misting 2x a day. You results will vary based upon your situation. I got lucky and I had perfect looking fruits in the room I used.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: seagu]
    #27020520 - 11/03/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I grew a bunch of pounds of oysters in open air with just hand misting 2x a day. You results will vary based upon your situation. I got lucky and I had perfect looking fruits in the room I used.



I have a grow room with moderate FAE, works perfect for mono tub cubes. But I would literally have these bags next to monotubs, so I would have great airflow, but moderate FAE, maybe it’s better than I think. I guess I should knock up some straw bags, let it sit, cut some holes upon full colonization and see what happens


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27021007 - 11/04/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I had about 30 buckets of oysters sitting in the middle of a room spare bedroom where I placed some trash bags on the floor to catch everything that fell and water and stuff. I had just picked them before they dropped spores. That would have sucked if they dropped spores with THAT many Oysters :eek: .  I was just testing the general FAE of the house and room without spending all the money on building anything and seeing how much I would get per bucket. etc. etc.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: seagu]
    #27022233 - 11/04/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I had about 30 buckets of oysters sitting in the middle of a room spare bedroom where I placed some trash bags on the floor to catch everything that fell and water and stuff. I had just picked them before they dropped spores. That would have sucked if they dropped spores with THAT many Oysters :eek: .  I was just testing the general FAE of the house and room without spending all the money on building anything and seeing how much I would get per bucket. etc. etc.



And how did it go?


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27022620 - 11/05/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh. It went well. But then I realized that cleaning that many buckets every week was a HUGE time suck. Getting everything cleaned out took FOREVER. Getting the orange normal lids that come with 5 or 6 gallon buckets would seal shut after being stacked and sitting for a few weeks and so getting those types of lids off on top of the cleaned was even worse and took forever to pry off. So I scrapped any idea of using buckets to try to make money from. Plus to clean them I would need outside yard and trying to clean during the winter would have been prohibitive. But the mushrooms grew great. Really nice clusters with no stems. Just as good as growing outside actually. And I did pick them all before they would drop spore so no big mess or anything.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: seagu]
    #27022832 - 11/05/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice, maybe I’ll use one of my shelves next to my cubes shelf, and put a towel or foil underneath to catch spore drop, that would be concern is them being able to shit spores all over my enclosed grow tent. I would have more than one variety in there, and I’m not sure how shooting oyster spores all over my tent if I forget about them or can’t harvest in time would be like...


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27023128 - 11/05/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The spores will go everywhere, dont think they will stay contained in a grow tent.

I would advise against growing oysters in living spaces unless you have excellent ventilation. You will develop an allergy if youre living in a space where oysters are growing.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: deadmandave]
    #27023353 - 11/05/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The spores will go everywhere, dont think they will stay contained in a grow tent.

I would advise against growing oysters in living spaces unless you have excellent ventilation. You will develop an allergy if youre living in a space where oysters are growing.




Maybe I’ll have to wait til after winter to grow them then and make it seasonal. Even a SGFC with a shit load of holes and poly fill won’t work?


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27023478 - 11/05/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

a sgfc will not work if you stuff all the holes with polyfil..

it really depends on how many you grow and how consistently.

when i developed an allergy i was growing only around 10 lbs a week in my basement. I had exhaust that vented outdoors and tried my best to pick before they matured to sporulation. Inevitably some would spew their load all over and in time I noticed a thin layer of spores in the ENTIRE basement. It is crazy how many spores they produce.

If i were to do it again i might use a negative pressure fruiting room rather than positive pressure. and wear a mask in the fruiting chamber.

Now if im exposed to oyster spores i feel sick about 4-6 hours later. I feel feverish and my whole body hurts.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: deadmandave]
    #27023832 - 11/05/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yea what I did was a risk.... Don't grow oysters in a living space. Some people might do 1 bag or something but multiple bags or buckets like I did is a no no. Who said I ever followed what other people say not to do though :evil:


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: seagu]
    #27024148 - 11/05/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wow it’s crazy how i do so much research but didn’t find anything about this! What are we looking at for seasonal growing, what temps outside if I do a outside grow?


It’s weird that I’ve seen videos of people putting a GH in their garage or using a Martha tek for oysters and they didn’t mentions sporulation or any allergen issues.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: NecroMyce]
    #27024164 - 11/05/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just a note: there is also a sporeless variety of oysters, called SPOPPO. Very popular now.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: bogdancev]
    #27024442 - 11/06/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I did grow inside in a FC where I exhausted the spores outside from within an airtight FC. That is how a lot of people do it.

A negative pressure FC will help to pull the spores away from the door to help keep them out of your living space. Obviously nothing is fool proof and some people are more sensitive than others. And plenty of people do have full FCs of oysters right next to their head while they sleep for years or months at a time with no problems when they pipe the spores out their window type of thing. But do your research.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: seagu]
    #27024779 - 11/06/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, seagu is correct. I might be more of an alarmist because of my personal experience.


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Re: SGFC for gourmet mushrooms [Re: deadmandave]
    #27026601 - 11/07/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to grow indoors without a good extraction fan, you could also get a sporeless oyster culture like Spoppo. The chance you could clone a supermarket oyster for it if you're in Europe, not sure about elsewhere.

Edit: Oops, thought this tread was 1 page long.


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