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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27015275 - 11/01/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do you know you’re not contagious?
How is a test a false positive when it’s accurately detecting viral rna? That’s literally how the test works.
Whether you are contagious or not is a whole different issue.
I’m really confused as to the problem you are having since people are assumed to be no longer contagious ten days after symptoms resolve, not whether they still test positive. Secondly, nobody is forcing anyone into quarantine unfortunately.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27015280 - 11/01/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hamhead telling us about PCR is pretty cute. Like having a 7 year old kid tell you the ins and outs of shifting a race car. Well I read!
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27015311 - 11/01/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not about scaring people. I'm certainly not scared. It's about giving information. The total number of people infected is the most important number as far as seeing how close/far we are from herd immunity. It's also an incredibly important number in terms of measuring the effectiveness of countermeasures designed to stop the spread.
Forced into quarantine? I haven't heard of this happening. Do you have a source?
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koods said: How do you know you’re not contagious?
How is a test a false positive when it’s accurately detecting viral rna? That’s literally how the test works.
Whether you are contagious or not is a whole different issue.
I’m really confused as to the problem you are having since people are assumed to be no longer contagious ten days after symptoms resolve, not whether they still test positive. Secondly, nobody is forcing anyone into quarantine unfortunately.
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HamHead said: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header
Prolonged viral RNA shedding, which is known to last for weeks after recovery, can be a potential reason for positive swab tests in those previously exposed to SARS-CoV-2.
Because case counting is being used to create fear. You should know, you do it all the time around here.
If I am not contagious after 10 days of infection, why should I worry about testing positive 6 weeks later?
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bodhisatta said: Hamhead telling us about PCR is pretty cute. Like having a 7 year old kid tell you the ins and outs of shifting a race car. Well I read!
Thanks for your insults.
PCR test only captures parts of RNA strands, not the whole thing.
You can read into them if you like, but I doubt you will.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27015315 - 11/01/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've actually done PCR work bro.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27015317 - 11/01/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I am not contagious after 10 days of infection, why should I worry about testing positive 6 weeks later?
You're the only one saying you're not contagious after 10 days of infection, though.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27015330 - 11/01/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#27015331 - 11/01/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: How do you know you’re not contagious?
How is a test a false positive when it’s accurately detecting viral rna? That’s literally how the test works.
Whether you are contagious or not is a whole different issue.
I’m really confused as to the problem you are having since people are assumed to be no longer contagious ten days after symptoms resolve, not whether they still test positive. Secondly, nobody is forcing anyone into quarantine unfortunately.
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Enlil said:
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HamHead said:
If I am not contagious after 10 days of infection, why should I worry about testing positive 6 weeks later?
You're the only one saying you're not contagious after 10 days of infection, though.
I'm sorry, what?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27015335 - 11/01/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you don't get what enlil said what business do you even have posting here.
He's calling out your baseless assumption. You don't know what assumed means?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27015338 - 11/01/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said:
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koods said: How do you know you’re not contagious?
How is a test a false positive when it’s accurately detecting viral rna? That’s literally how the test works.
Whether you are contagious or not is a whole different issue.
I’m really confused as to the problem you are having since people are assumed to be no longer contagious ten days after symptoms resolve, not whether they still test positive. Secondly, nobody is forcing anyone into quarantine unfortunately.
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Enlil said:
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HamHead said:
If I am not contagious after 10 days of infection, why should I worry about testing positive 6 weeks later?
You're the only one saying you're not contagious after 10 days of infection, though.
I'm sorry, what?
Wow, you are either completely dishonest or unable to read. "ten days after symptoms resolve" isn't the same as "after 10 days of infection."
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bodhisatta said: If you don't get what enlil said what business do you even have posting here.
He's calling out your baseless assumption. You don't know what assumed means?
koods made the assumption, not me.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27015341 - 11/01/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, you just lied about what Koods said.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] 1
#27015344 - 11/01/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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HamHead said:
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koods said: How do you know you’re not contagious?
How is a test a false positive when it’s accurately detecting viral rna? That’s literally how the test works.
Whether you are contagious or not is a whole different issue.
I’m really confused as to the problem you are having since people are assumed to be no longer contagious ten days after symptoms resolve, not whether they still test positive. Secondly, nobody is forcing anyone into quarantine unfortunately.
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Enlil said:
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HamHead said:
If I am not contagious after 10 days of infection, why should I worry about testing positive 6 weeks later?
You're the only one saying you're not contagious after 10 days of infection, though.
I'm sorry, what?
Wow, you are either completely dishonest or unable to read. "ten days after symptoms resolve" isn't the same as "after 10 days of infection."
Cool.
You're much better at this word game than I am.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 3
#27015347 - 11/01/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm much better at reading than you...better at being honest than you...better at critical thinking than you...If those are "word game[s]," then yes...I'm better at this word game than you.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#27015348 - 11/01/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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People don't know they're infected unless symptoms are present.
Or, if you take a test.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27015352 - 11/01/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Which is why testing is important.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] 1
#27015405 - 11/01/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Which is why testing is important.

Is it really?
Why does it matter is I test positive if I never present symptoms?
Oh, I forgot, I just picked up a pre-existing health condition and can now scam insurance companies.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27015427 - 11/01/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because it isn't about you. It's about the poor schlubs you might infect.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] 1
#27015447 - 11/01/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How can we be 8 months into this and he still doesn’t know people without symptom are still infectious and they are actually shedding virus longer than people who get sick.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] 1
#27015469 - 11/01/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never underestimate the human capacity for denial.
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