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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014384 - 10/31/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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those look really bacterial but they are way more colonized than my soak-only bags. you're inoculating your bags with G2G? how did you inoculate your master grain jar? did you inject spores into the grain jar? or did you drop an agar wedge?


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Would you consider these grains hydrated? They squish and clear cloudy stuff comes out...

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yeah those look very hydrated. i don't know how you get them that hydrated without simmering. i'll post some pics next time i prep grain and show you what it looks like when i try soaking only. they look almost identical to raw dry grains.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #27014388 - 10/31/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

josex, that video is what convinced me to try no-simmer grain. but he's also growing a different species and i don't know if that would make a difference.
also, jars are a little different. bags tend to dry out on top. bags can be really difficult to do.

there is something critical that we're all missing. if it were that simple, nobody would be simmering grain. why does it work for half of us and not work for the other half?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014392 - 10/31/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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those look really bacterial but they are way more colonized than my soak-only bags. you're inoculating your bags with G2G? how did you inoculate your master grain jar? did you inject spores into the grain jar? or did you drop an agar wedge?


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Would you consider these grains hydrated? They squish and clear cloudy stuff comes out...

Sorry about the dirty gloves I'm currently spawning substrate right now



yeah those look very hydrated. i don't know how you get them that hydrated without simmering. i'll post some pics next time i prep grain and show you what it looks like when i try soaking only.



LC 20ml to a qt jar.
Bags are 1/2 a qt jar to a full qt.
They do look bacterial but that's because I just shake this morning also those are my last 3 from that batch they have been taking forever the other 9 are doing great already spawn and everything so I might throw them out idk yet.
The LC is made out of a agar wedge from a clone T5.

I mean it could be the grain I bought... I buy coop grain whole oats I haven't tryed đźšś supply yet.

What might not work for some could work for others for real try my tek out I got tired of boiling water and drying them for hours then my grains get soggy when I bag them and pc. Jars work great simmer but not bags or maybe that's just me..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014397 - 10/31/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Take a 5 gallon bucket put 4qts in the bucket use hose water/tap and let it sit in the sun for 24 hours then grab a grain and squish it. If it comes out all milky and squishy then pc it. Strain it for about a hour is what I do don't worry about getting them paper towel or napkin dry they will hydrate in the pc. I send mine damp af.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014404 - 10/31/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

yeah maybe it's the grain source.

i've never had grains be squishy after a 24 hour soak. they still appear raw. but i'll try again and post pics along the way. i'll update your thread with some pics in about a week.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014412 - 10/31/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah maybe it's the grain source.

i've never had grains be squishy after a 24 hour soak. they still appear raw. but i'll try again and post pics along the way. i'll update your thread with some pics in about a week.



Thank you I mean maybe you need longer soaks. I started at 48 hours and they got to soggy. This could actually work a pregress how people do grain imagine a no prep grain! Just dump in a bucket 50lbs and come tommorow and do 20+ bags or 100+ jars done easy.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014416 - 10/31/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

yeah that would be great. i hate simmering grain. i'll post a 12/24/48 hour update with pics but i don't really expect a different result than the last 5 times i've tried this. :sad:


have you tested your LC on agar yet? maybe your LC is bacterial

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014423 - 10/31/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've been obsessed with no simmer with wheat berries. And I've learned a few things:

1) I have the most success when I can mostly hydrate the berries before the PC. I do this by adding the exact amount of boiling water, and soaking that for 3 hours. Then I flip it upside down and load the PC. The driest berries are now wet with the last bit of water.

2) If you rush the cooldown post PC'ing... the berries have less time to absorb the remaining moisture (warmer absorbs more). I did 16, gallon bags of wheat and hung them to cool down over night. They were very dry by the time I noc'd them up. I did 16 more bags that were identical... and put a box fan on them to cool in an hour. They remained noticeably wet for many days after, slowing my leapoff. (the moisture evens out after 4-5 days).

I will never dry my berries or simmer them again. The grains are perfect every time. (only been working with wheat)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014425 - 10/31/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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josex, that video is what convinced me to try no-simmer grain. but he's also growing a different species and i don't know if that would make a difference.
also, jars are a little different. bags tend to dry out on top. bags can be really difficult to do.

there is something critical that we're all missing. if it were that simple, nobody would be simmering grain. why does it work for half of us and not work for the other half?



I'd hard boil regardless.

Lets see, wait 24-48hrs before I can cook my grain or hard boil and have a batch done in 2-4 hrs? I choose hard boil, yo


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014428 - 10/31/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah that would be great. i hate simmering grain. i'll post a 12/24/48 hour update with pics but i don't really expect a different result than the last 5 times i've tried this. :sad:


have you tested your LC on agar yet? maybe your LC is bacterial



Yes I always test my LC with agar first I actually still have the test plates from the test. It just those 3 out of 12 bags.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27014437 - 10/31/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I've been obsessed with no simmer with wheat berries. And I've learned a few things:

1) I have the most success when I can mostly hydrate the berries before the PC. I do this by adding the exact amount of boiling water, and soaking that for 3 hours. Then I flip it upside down and load the PC. The driest berries are now wet with the last bit of water.

2) If you rush the cooldown post PC'ing... the berries have less time to absorb the remaining moisture (warmer absorbs more). I did 16, gallon bags of wheat and hung them to cool down over night. They were very dry by the time I noc'd them up. I did 16 more bags that were identical... and put a box fan on them to cool in an hour. They remained noticeably wet for many days after, slowing my leapoff. (the moisture evens out after 4-5 days).

I will never dry my berries or simmer them again. The grains are perfect every time. (only been working with wheat)



Iv actually noticed that also weird I actually let them cool over night in my 25x pc it keeps a vacuum so when I get my bags they look vacuum sealed so that's kind of cool.

To the guy who said he boils if it works then keep at it me I don't care to do it quick and stinky I hate the smell of boiling grain also I'm pregnant so it makes me throw up.

You do bags in how many hours in 24 hours?

I can run 50lbs 100lbs or even shall I say 1000lbs in 24-48 hours I can run 12 5qt bags a day with my 25x when I get my 75x I will be running 10 bags a run and full cool down in the evening. So 70 bags a week if I really really want to with out breaking a sweat.

So if someone can run grain without a boil with out burning electrical or gas wait 24-48 hours and have lbs and lbs of grain ready vs. boiling I will stay with my prep.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014454 - 10/31/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I've been obsessed with no simmer with wheat berries. And I've learned a few things:

1) I have the most success when I can mostly hydrate the berries before the PC. I do this by adding the exact amount of boiling water, and soaking that for 3 hours. Then I flip it upside down and load the PC. The driest berries are now wet with the last bit of water.

2) If you rush the cooldown post PC'ing... the berries have less time to absorb the remaining moisture (warmer absorbs more). I did 16, gallon bags of wheat and hung them to cool down over night. They were very dry by the time I noc'd them up. I did 16 more bags that were identical... and put a box fan on them to cool in an hour. They remained noticeably wet for many days after, slowing my leapoff. (the moisture evens out after 4-5 days).

I will never dry my berries or simmer them again. The grains are perfect every time. (only been working with wheat)



Iv actually noticed that also weird I actually let them cool over night in my 25x pc it keeps a vacuum so when I get my bags they look vacuum sealed so that's kind of cool.

To the guy who said he boils if it works then keep at it me I don't care to do it quick and stinky I hate the smell of boiling grain also I'm pregnant so it makes me throw up.

You do bags in how many hours in 24 hours?

I can run 50lbs 100lbs or even shall I say 1000lbs in 24-48 hours I can run 12 5qt bags a day with my 25x when I get my 75x I will be running 10 bags a run and full cool down in the evening. So 70 bags a week if I really really want to with out breaking a sweat.

So if someone can run grain without a boil with out burning electrical or gas wait 24-48 hours and have lbs and lbs of grain ready vs. boiling I will stay with my prep.




I got a couple pretos... I run 4 pre-sealed bags in each. My presealed bags are about 140f when they go into the PC, So I only run them for 2 hours. I bet I could get away with 1.5 hours. I do two runs in a day. Infrequently.

I also hate the smell of both simmering and drying berries. Others are in the building I am in, so thats not good.

I now only boil 48 ounces of water per bag. Thats easy. I buy food grade wheat, so it needs no rinsing. And my PC times are shorter too, cause I load hot.

I'm excited to attempt other grains and grain grades.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27014463 - 10/31/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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tedoro said:
I've been obsessed with no simmer with wheat berries. And I've learned a few things:

1) I have the most success when I can mostly hydrate the berries before the PC. I do this by adding the exact amount of boiling water, and soaking that for 3 hours. Then I flip it upside down and load the PC. The driest berries are now wet with the last bit of water.

2) If you rush the cooldown post PC'ing... the berries have less time to absorb the remaining moisture (warmer absorbs more). I did 16, gallon bags of wheat and hung them to cool down over night. They were very dry by the time I noc'd them up. I did 16 more bags that were identical... and put a box fan on them to cool in an hour. They remained noticeably wet for many days after, slowing my leapoff. (the moisture evens out after 4-5 days).

I will never dry my berries or simmer them again. The grains are perfect every time. (only been working with wheat)



Iv actually noticed that also weird I actually let them cool over night in my 25x pc it keeps a vacuum so when I get my bags they look vacuum sealed so that's kind of cool.

To the guy who said he boils if it works then keep at it me I don't care to do it quick and stinky I hate the smell of boiling grain also I'm pregnant so it makes me throw up.

You do bags in how many hours in 24 hours?

I can run 50lbs 100lbs or even shall I say 1000lbs in 24-48 hours I can run 12 5qt bags a day with my 25x when I get my 75x I will be running 10 bags a run and full cool down in the evening. So 70 bags a week if I really really want to with out breaking a sweat.

So if someone can run grain without a boil with out burning electrical or gas wait 24-48 hours and have lbs and lbs of grain ready vs. boiling I will stay with my prep.




I got a couple pretos... I run 4 pre-sealed bags in each. My presealed bags are about 140f when they go into the PC, So I only run them for 2 hours. I bet I could get away with 1.5 hours. I do two runs in a day. Infrequently.

I also hate the smell of both simmering and drying berries. Others are in the building I am in, so thats not good.

I now only boil 48 ounces of water per bag. Thats easy. I buy food grade wheat, so it needs no rinsing. And my PC times are shorter too, cause I load hot.

I'm excited to attempt other grains and grain grades.



That sounds good.... I want to try wheat next after I get through these 300lbs of oats I bought for $7 a bag which might be a few months.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014582 - 10/31/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone had problems with the corners of spawn bags bursting I pack all the bags the same and sometimes some burst and sometimes none do I get out all the air I can fold then tape does anyone know y this is happening?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #27014592 - 10/31/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

what PC do you have? is it only the bags on the bottom of your PC or does it happen to the ones in the top too?

in my presto, i got burst bags no matter what i did. but in my AA75x, i only get burst bags when i vent at 10 psi or higher. you could also try different arrangements and sizes of bags. one more thing that made me get burst bags was using a metal tray at the bottom of the PC that was too small. for example, if your PC is 13" in diameter but you use a metal tray that's only 8" in diameter, you might get burst bags.

btw you don't need to tape or seal your grain bags before you PC them


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27014599 - 10/31/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yea a presto 23 right in the bottom corners and it sometimes happens on the top sometimes on the bottom it seems totally random I cant understand y it happens

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #27014601 - 10/31/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If the bags were not sealed... and they burst, I venture to guess it is because the bag melted on the side of the PC. If the bags are pre-sealed, Two things really pop bags... 1) too large of voids that allow the the bags to expand and become very thin. 2) If one allows the PC to bleed steam at the end of the run, that can cause the interior of the bag to boil.. popping it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27014611 - 10/31/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No I let the pc cool down without venting and your right right in the corner is expanding where there is a void in the pc right between the wall and the other bag what do u suggest I should do to fix that stuff it with foil maybe?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #27014622 - 10/31/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Has anyone had problems with the corners of spawn bags bursting I pack all the bags the same and sometimes some burst and sometimes none do I get out all the air I can fold then tape does anyone know y this is happening?



First off I turn my bags upside down. The bottom is up and I fold the opening to the bottom and micropore tape it so I don't have those issues. Some people fold it many many times and tape it and if you ever quick vent it the bags explode.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #27014625 - 10/31/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Foil or but some face towels you know the kind that's like a mini towel and wrap the bags in it nice and snug. It also allows you to reuse them over and over.


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