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Any advice is much appreciated
    #27014328 - 10/31/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all,
Living in an extremely dry climate I’m having to mist and fan constantly in addition to a reptile fogger connected to a humidity control switch. This is just to maintain an RH anywhere in the 90% range. All the cakes were 100% colonized  With an extra week of incubation before birthing. I dunked for 24 hours, rolled in vermiculite and into the fruiting chamber they went. I am driving myself crazy constantly checking wanting to make sure I’m moving in the right direction to have a successful outcome. Ultimately hoping For some advice, opinions and simply some peace of mind based of my pics provided.
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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27014350 - 10/31/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Looks good. Have patience, they will grow. Don't overdue it and love your grow to death (literally).


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27014360 - 10/31/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks! So you think they look ok for almost 14 days of fruiting?


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27014380 - 10/31/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks! So you think they look ok for almost 14 days of fruiting?




It has been 14 days since you dunked, rolled, and placed into your SGFC? You should have at least seen pins by now. What are your temperatures at?


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: tiptrippy] * 1
    #27014431 - 10/31/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What is the ambient humidity of the room?


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: POWAtrippin]
    #27014894 - 10/31/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes 14 days since placing into chamber. The temp inside the chamber is bouncing between 70-76 degrees.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27014898 - 10/31/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

room humidity fluctuate 30-40% range. Pretty dry in general


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27014975 - 11/01/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Making a much smaller sgfc would help. They’re designed to be packed full of cakes.

Check out shoeboxes they’re much easier with no fanning and very little misting. I have 10-15% rh and run them no problem no fogger or anything.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha] * 1
    #27015006 - 11/01/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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room humidity fluctuate 30-40% range. Pretty dry in general



Follow This Tek and never have to worry about how dry your growing area is, this FC creates perfect environment all by itself, you won't even have to mist when you figure it out :thumbup: gl


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: A.k.a]
    #27015167 - 11/01/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Is it possible to use my existing cakes for shoebox? If I shred them and layer with my bulk substrate?


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27015583 - 11/01/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You could but for two weeks in the chamber they don’t look very active. Do you have pics of the jars before you birthed them?

If you do decide to go with a shoebox break them up really well and mix into coir. Some people put the cakes in a ziplock and mash them with a spoon or use a cheese grater.


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    #27015717 - 11/01/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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for two weeks in the chamber they don’t look very active. Do you have pics of the jars before you birthed them?



Cakes are almost always slow to pin in a SGFC because the climate inside is almost always  very far off from optimal fruiting conditions, I know this is the case cause I've seen countless cakes pin within 2-3days after full colonization if the environment is right. I don't believe in that 'lag phase' after full colonization that growers call 'consolidation times' personally I think it's just a phenomena growers observed fruiting cakes inside SGFC's, a whole week or two with seemingly no activity at all after full colonization. My belief is that if you're not noticing fruiting conditions/adaptations on the colony surface within days after full colonization then investigate your environment and you'll find the answer. If one of my cakes doesn't seem to do shit after two weeks inside the Water Tub then I'd definitely want to see pics of the substrates during colonization.


@Nsalha theoretically you could spawn your cakes whenever you wanted to, it's just that at this point you really don't want to stress the colony further by diluting the nutrients and making it spend energy colonizing for weeks AGAIN. You might end up with some fruits but IMO you'll have fruits weeks earlier, you'll have more fruits and with higher success rate if you just do something about the environment issue and fruit them as cakes (after a 12h dunk probably since they've been in the SGFC fora couple of weeks) . :thumbup: gl


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #27015849 - 11/01/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I appreciate the help! What if I add more soaked perlite to decrease volume of the chamber? Wouldn’t that be similar to a smaller sgfc? My humidity and temperatures are extremely consistent it’s just taking a lot of work to keep them that way. Also I was mistaken about humidity in the room which is closer to 10%. I noticed some small white balls on some of the cakes today. Is that an indication of possible pins soon?
Also I am very close to having my Martha two setup complete. Just waiting on my fogger in the mail. Could That help this grow in any way? I realize bulk substrate is ideal for that setup but jw. Here are a couple pics of jars before birthing and what I think to be knots.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27015870 - 11/01/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like you got pins to me. Maintain proper conditions and a little more time you might finally have some good activity.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27015872 - 11/01/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yes! Extra perlite is a great way to increase humidity. I use about 6-8 inches of perlite. Works very well as it concentrates the humidity better. U dont need a fogger for SGFC, thats what the perlite is for.

Looking good so far, got a pin coming in :thumbup:


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    #27015880 - 11/01/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

SWEET!! I know it’s a little win but just made my day!! I’ve put ALOT of love time and energy into these guys and was starting to get a little discouraged to be honest! Thanks so much for all the advice


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27015971 - 11/01/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dont give up! Cultivation has taught me that patience is a true virtue :sadyes:


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27016024 - 11/01/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I realize bulk substrate is ideal for that setup



The FC that I linked to you already, the Water Tub operates based on the same principles as bulk substrates do in unmodified tubs :thumbup: if you're losing hope about cakes you've stumbled upon the correct link multiple times now trust me, there's a reason for that link lol :super:


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #27016049 - 11/01/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I added another two inches of soaked perlite to existing setup. I’m also gonna try the water tub with a couple of the cakes. I have a few different sized tubs, but I’m guessing the smaller the tub the easier it’ll be to maintain humidity? Especially being so extremely dry here in AK.  Thanks again


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    #27016083 - 11/01/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've grown with all kinds of tub size it doesn't really matter, and I have really dry air during winter time where I live and I've never had an issue with humidity, I don't think it's possible with the Water Tub, that's like having humidity issues with a bulk substrate it just doesn't happen.


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    #27016177 - 11/01/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok good to know! Thanks again


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27016193 - 11/01/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

im really interested how your first grow went after seeing pins could you contact me


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    #27016212 - 11/01/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)


Fingers crossed 🤞


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    #27016217 - 11/01/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It’s been hectic due to my dry climate and my wanting to get everything Perfect,  but the pin Literally just happened today! I’ll try n keep updated pics.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27018121 - 11/02/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am having trouble keeping my sgfc temp in the 70s since my space heater I used to heat the room took a dive today. My room temp is now Averaging 65-68 degrees and I’ve read  not to heat the chamber directly with a heat mat.  I currently have my sgfc slipped slightly into a  bigger tub to catch for more airflow and also to catch any dripping  water . What if I fill that bottom tote with more water and put my aquatic heater in? Kind of like a double boiler. Wouldn’t That get the chamber up to temp without direct contact to a heat source? Any thoughts are appreciated!


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27018648 - 11/03/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I am having trouble keeping my sgfc temp in the 70s since my space heater I used to heat the room took a dive today. My room temp is now Averaging 65-68 degrees and I’ve read  not to heat the chamber directly with a heat mat.  I currently have my sgfc slipped slightly into a  bigger tub to catch for more airflow and also to catch any dripping  water . What if I fill that bottom tote with more water and put my aquatic heater in? Kind of like a double boiler. Wouldn’t That get the chamber up to temp without direct contact to a heat source? Any thoughts are appreciated!





Yes it would, I use a similar setup to incubate colonizing cakes, and because you'll be heating up quite some water, there'll be quite some thermal mass that water holds, which makes for a really steady temp., which is easily maintained and dialed in. I was thinking of using two fruiting Water Tubs, submerged into one, large enough tote. In that large tote (with all that space underneath the actual 2 water tubs) one could then arrange a water heater and basically solve one part of the puzzle-stable temperature. While the humidity part is being solved on the inside by the water tubs themselves.
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Edit: Pics of that setup. At that point cakes were still colonizing, but you might as well picture that inner tub being filled with water, and cakes fruiting, suspended on racks or something:D

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    #27019233 - 11/03/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am having to work way to hard to keep proper rh and exact water tub method was suggested to me so i pulled a couple cakes from the sgfc and tried it for a few days. Different lid positions and room temps trying to get the tub set and i couldnt get a drop of condensation on the walls which made me believe it wasnt working properly so i scrapped the idea ans went back into fruiting chamber. I know a proper sgfc shouldn't need foggers but its the only way I can keep consistent rh.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27019320 - 11/03/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A major problem is probably also that the pictured tub is way too much of a SGFC for these cakes.
Make a smaller SGFC and it will be much easier right off the top, by isolating these 5 cakes in a smaller microclimate, much easier to saturate with humidity. Also, make the SGFC up to spec(about 1/4in holes in about 1,5-2in grid pattern), these holes seem too big, probably enabling way too much FAE, which in turn makes it impossible to maintain any level of humidity.
Yeah, I was wondering about the condensation part too..I can't see any, but that still doesn't seem to mean that evaporation is not happening, as obviously the mushrooms like it..I don't know..


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Sandstone]
    #27020042 - 11/03/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly what I’m gonna do! Thanks much!


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    #27021297 - 11/04/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You called it. After yesterday’s adjustments I’m 99% sureTub size and build was the problem. Smaller tub and holes made an EXTREMELY noticeable difference just overnight! Thanks


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    #27021335 - 11/04/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome, glad it's working out! :mushroom2::rocket:


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    #27024007 - 11/05/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wanna thank you again friend! These cakes have just flourished with Pins since your suggestion!! I am very grateful! 🙏🙏


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    #27024211 - 11/05/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's really nothing, it is just awesome its working for you. Post some update pics.


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    #27025433 - 11/06/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here are some pics as of today. Shorter cakes are KOH Samui and taller cakes are Fiji’s..

I’m a little concerned that the cakes seem to be drying out pretty quickly even with proper RH. I know to re dunk between flushes, just wanna make sure I don’t let them dry out before then. But nonetheless im seeing more and more pins every day so might be ok.


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Re: Any advice is much appreciated [Re: Nsalha]
    #27025438 - 11/06/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Those holes on your SGFC look kinda big too. Whats the rH in your grow room? Does the grow room have a HVAC? HVACs in the winter produce very dry air so u may need to soak your perlite/mist your cakes more often.

Other than that, looks good :thumbup:


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    #27025471 - 11/06/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Holes are 1/4 inch I re built the chamber for that exact reason. Yes air is extremely dry here. I think a  re soak of perlite should be sufficient. I’m putting together my Martha setup so once my grains colonize I won’t have to deal with these sgfc much longer. Thanks for the tip


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    #27025809 - 11/06/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have real low rh and had problems with cakes too.

Faht recently put up pictures of bags with a layer of perlite in the bottom and then the cakes on top and the bags closed up with a few pinholes.

A big problem with sgfc is tons of airflow and the chambers almost always way too big. I think the bag method is perfect for cakes in dry climate. Humidity chambers worked well for me too.


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    #27025881 - 11/06/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ah gotcha. Yeah, dry climates really dry out SGFC's really fast. I had that same issue while living in a house with really hot/dry HVAC system that I couldnt control.

One thing u can do is tape up some of the upper holes on the sides with micropore tape. Another thing u can do is add more perlite so u have a larger reservoir of moisture for the air inside the SGFC to draw from. And mist a lot, on the inner walls too. Should help.


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    #27026607 - 11/07/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Any thoughts about dunking my cakes now to rehydrate them even though there is pens and mushrooms growing?


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    #27027099 - 11/07/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

U should never dunk a fruiting cake. It will cause your fruits to abort. Only dunk inbetween flushes.


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    #27027174 - 11/07/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Good 2 know . 👍


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    #27028540 - 11/08/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks to all who chimed in! I’m so glad I joined this community!


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Looking good man. Well done! :thumbup:


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    #27056243 - 11/24/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



My new Martha setup has made a world of difference!! I Finally might be figuring this stuff out!


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