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Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives 1
#27014083 - 10/31/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Upon the advent of the #metoo movement, something changed in US culture. We used to celebrate individuals who were wronged, but vindicated themselves, accomplished some feat, or otherwise did something of note. Now we just celebrate victim-hood and victims. This has created a dysfunctional prestige economy where individuals accrue social capital by wearing the mantle of victim-hood.
I see feminist women on social media advertise how they've been raped X amount of times. Many mention it constantly, and even bring it up in completely irrelevant discourse. I usually see them get "special" treatment. They are given an invulnerability cloak where you can't criticize or disagree with anything they do or say, because that makes you a misogynist oppressing a victimized rape survivor. It also appears to be like "fishing for compliments" behavior - appealing to the empathy of others for attention and empathy.
Thats great. Real rape victims should be supported, absolutely. Alas, this mechanism of prosocial behavior has been manipulated for use by dishonest, unstable individuals who see the #metoo tribe as an in for attention. As is always the case in anything human-related, social structures are corrupted by mental illness and the generally idiosyncratic nature of humanity.
However, #metoo has also created an environment that has become un-American and illiberal. For sex-related accusations, there is no due process, no investigation, all a woman has to do is make the accusation and BOOM, a public figure is down for the count (looking at you Kavanaugh.) In Universities, "kangaroo courts" are rigged against men. Men accused of sexual crimes are denied their right for cross-examination, investigators deny exculpatory evidence, they won't even engage in discovery where the accused male can see who is accusing them and what evidence there is.
- One student at the University of Boulder was accused for rape by a woman he scorned. They expelled him, ran his picture in the school paper, he was on local news, were considering criminal charges, and his career and reputation destroyed. A couple weeks later, the girl admitted to police that she lied; she said she was "disappointed that he was just another frat guy" and completely fabricated the rape story. What did Boulder University Officials do? Persecuted the man anyway, despite the victim admitting it was a lie.
Why?
Because in #metoo dogma, there are double-binds and informal fallacies for every imaginable occurrence. Even if a woman admits she lied, they say "oh, well rape victims get confused, and sometimes go into denial" or if their stories are inconsistent and have tons of holes, they use "well a traumatic event will muddy someones memory." It is the ONE dimension of criminal investigation that is almost entirely rigged, predicated on accusations and victims alone, and due process is thrown out the window.
We are left with Stalin-esque show trials where the man sits in judgement, denied the right for cross-examination, denied the right to see discovery, denied the ability to provide exculpatory evidence, and the interlocutor is a University Social Worker who is literally trained to "believe all victims." That is not how the justice system works. In Western cultures, you are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, not presumed guilty because "believe all victims."
- Another story was from a college guy who was accused of Rape. During his "trial" he tried to show text messages from the "victim" where she said how horny she was, how much she wanted him, what she wanted him to do to her, asked him to come fuck her, etc. They refused to let him use the exculpatory evidence. How is that justice? Its ironic that "social justice warriors" are the ones who are the biggest proponents of the most flagrantly unjust practices.
- Bryan Banks: was a budding football star, in college with a scholarship and a bright future. He was accused of rape and thrown into prison thanks to yet another kangaroo court. It took years for the Justice System to get him out, after he procured a recorded audio file of the accuser admitting she was angry with him and made it all up. He was innocent, lost years of his life, his possible football career, and his reputation - when he was completely innocent.
These stories are seemingly endless, and have seen a massive influx since the dawn of #metoo and feminism. It is almost always one-and-done. One accusation and its over for you. And people balk at "mens right activists" - sadly we actually do need them, if the deluge of fake rape stories and destroyed lives is anything to go on.
- Rolling Stone published the notorious "Matress Girl" story about a rape victim. Surprise surprise; it was a completely fabricated, over-the-top story about some "train gang bang" that never happened. But because #metoo dogma doesn't operate on normal channels, refuses due process, preponderance of evidence, or any investigation at all, the story was pushed as true and another life was ruined.
Now rape accusations have become a weapon. To destroy enemies. To get back at men. This hurts REAL rape survivors, because there has been so much fuckery that people are starting to see whats going on. Any dogma that tells you to "believe all women/survivors" is asinine. Women lie constantly. Men lie constantly. Its human. The notion that nobody lies and we should just believe everything is not a paradigm employed in any reasonable dimension of culture, it exists purely in feminist dogma.
Society needs a more logical, reasonable, and less ideologically-driven brand of feminism. Its current iteration is not interested in equality, but supremacy. Denying men rights in sex-crime trials is objectively granting advantages to women - its not equality. Enforcing gender quotas where companies can discriminate against men to have more women in the workplace IS NOT EQUALITY.
Feminists are also ironically the most sexist people I've seen. There was a viral post from a woman saying "Going for my ultrasound to see if its a girl or an abortion. #killallmen" and it was met with a thunderous applause from bitter and jaded feminists. The movement has become unstable, it has vacillated from a righteous cause of equality to one predicated on hatred of men. There are endless sexist posts by feminists that are never moderated by social media. People quote Valerie Solanas - a radical feminist who tried to kill Andie Warhol, and who advocated for a "gendercide" where all men should be murdered. Radical feminism is some of the most egregiously sexist rhetoric, but it is not censored like misogynist dogma is.
Radical Feminism does not play fair. They often do not test hypotheses like "rape culture" using the scientific method - they overwhelmingly use qualitative, auto-ethnographies (which are glorified diary entries) and hide it behind the veil of scientific rigor. Male privilege? It hasn't actually been empirically tested, quantitatively measured, or been subjected to the scrutiny of the scientific community. Its not science, but they call it science; sociology, critical theory, gender theory, etc. Hypatia, the premiere feminist scientific journal published a paper on how men should be stripped naked, bound in chains, and placed in front of college classrooms to pay for their crimes of being born male, for the patriarchy, and slavery. The editors said the piece was "too soft" on men. This is getting out of hand. Its insanity to think humiliating and persecuting men is somehow justice.
We are reaching a point in society where tribalism has been dialed up to 11. Division between left wing and right wing, black versus white, and now team penis versus team vagina. It is sad. We all share society together, humans are inherently benevolent and empathetic creatures. But the internet seems to draw the worst out of people.
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I support feminists who are balanced, fair, unbiased, and don't engage in bad-faith arguments. That is what we need feminism to be. It needs CRITICAL ANALYSIS, not EMOTIONAL REASONING. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge in behavioral sciences can see the myriad cognitive distortions and informal fallacies that riddle feminist dogma. We need to fix this. Radical feminism is alienating men from women.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337]
#27014147 - 10/31/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edgar is a tough name for a girl, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The term toxic masculinity which emerged around the same time as the TRUMP ascendancy and the descent of Jeffery Epstein and the expose of Harvey Weinstein, give extra oomph to the Me Too explosion after having the lid blown wide, even if TRUMP can continue being a racist misogynist at full tilt with no governance what so ever.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27014180 - 10/31/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: Edgar is a tough name for a girl, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The term toxic masculinity which emerged around the same time as the TRUMP ascendancy and the descent of Jeffery Epstein and the expose of Harvey Weinstein, give extra oomph to the Me Too explosion after having the lid blown wide, even if TRUMP can continue being a racist misogynist at full tilt with no governance what so ever.
"Toxic masculinity" is such a bullcrap term. Without toxic masculinity, we'd all be speaking German, and we wouldn't have skyscrapers thousands of feet in the air; as Joe Rogan says. I think I agree with him somewhat.
But its a double bind in that toxicity is NOT sex-linked. Women are toxic, but we dont have a word for that. "Mansplaining" is the same. A man explaining something to a woman, when he is correct, is somehow toxic and sexist. But women explaining something to a man, when she is correct, we again do not have a word for.
These are the bad-faith arguments I was referring to. Toxic masculinity is meaningless. There is no empirical evidence to suggest aggressivity and toxic behavior is not present in women. The current body of psychological gender research/studies (see Piaget and Jonathon Haidt) have demonstrated that men tend to be physically aggressive, and women tend to be socially aggressive - spreading rumors, destroying reputations and relationships, etc.
Its solid, reproduced, and scrutinized data. Its science. Yet referencing it is likely to get you labelled sexist.
Toxicity is present in men and women. Its not male specific. Based on the data, the expression of toxicity is admittedly different in men versus women, but again, its present in both sexes. But alas, "toxic femininity" isn't discussed, even after radical feminists call for gendercides to kill all men, somehow we still haven't formed a vocabulary for it and sadly its still not discussed with the same zealotry that toxic masculinity is.
Its like Joe Rogan, Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and Sam Harris have said time and time again. We know when the right has gone too far, and we have the vocabulary to identify and condemn it. But we don't have the same tools for when the left goes too far into radicalism.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337] 1
#27014210 - 10/31/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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"I see feminist women on social media advertise "
so get off social media, or change who you follow or subscribe too.
Media are meant to condition the masses, and are owned by only a few corporations. Condition them for what? Simply for more consumerism, which means keeping folks from too much thinking. This has been known for a long time. And one way to discourage thinking is by stirring up lots of debate, about subjects that are either unimportant, or where folks opinions will make no difference in the long-run. It keeps folks occupied and emotionally worked up, so they can't think clearly.
Don't take my word for it. Personally I find Noam Chomsky too dense for my reading taste, but he is a respected source, for such basic information, among others.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337] 2
#27014411 - 10/31/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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edgar1337 said: ...There is no empirical evidence to suggest aggressivity and toxic behavior is not present in women. ...
I think that this is what you really want to highlight, but you have it mixed-up with feminism.
also if something makes sense - such as America peaked with toxic masculinity at the time of the TRUMP ascendency, (well I think that makes sense) you do not actually need to point your finger at women reacting to it.
Naturally we are alarmed that you want to defend Trump, and the ranks of priviledged sex offenders. yes he's an asshole, leave it at that. or escalate and start beating back the women who are scaring you.
personally I do not like talking about toxic masculinity, as I think it is only as toxic as the world allows it to be. AND that goes for men and women.
therefore the issues are in discussion and in the courts and it will eventually make a dent in policies everywhere as humanity works at getting more genteel, and that is something worth working towards.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines]
#27015088 - 11/01/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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one big thing about whether to vote right or left is
you have to think about the scinece in it
the math in it
I think of trump etc. as we want something good now even when it ruins the earth
and destroys it
that's not right
we need money sex drugs fame power food and all the other good stuff LATER
it's a really thin line or it is very close to being the same getting it and not getting it
and if you don't get it you think you are right
you have no hunch
except no you do?
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: Ferdinando]
#27015131 - 11/01/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I preffer "REDical" feminism. It balances jokes and humour, bitcharoofuckaroo, doh. Only my black Americans will get it.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines]
#27016627 - 11/02/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Women should do all the work so the men can stay at home and play video games and do other hobbies.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337] 1
#27018378 - 11/02/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You remind me of this person:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26982640
Are we all doomed to be victims of victims?
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337]
#27018553 - 11/03/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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edgar1337 said:
I see feminist women on social media advertise how they've been raped X amount of times.
I recently heard a commentator diatribe when he claimed he knew "tons of blacks" who have been killed by cops. Of course he offered no further information - just wanted everyone to know cops are killing "tons" of black skinned people. Hunting blacks down. He said "tons" of blacks. Of course everyone agreed with his claim. How many people is a ton?
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#27018630 - 11/03/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A "ton" is a measurement of weight. 2,000 pounds or something.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] 1
#27018695 - 11/03/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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here is lots by year in a nice animated chart.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
this year so far 152 black people (at 200 pounds each) probably more than 20 tons.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines]
#27019509 - 11/03/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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we could nuke the unborn gay whales, but should we let them use the same bathrooms, after Elon Musk takes them all to Mars? And what if they had sex change operations, en route to mars?
hmmm........
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: laughingdog]
#27020164 - 11/03/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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what are you smoking?
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines]
#27020501 - 11/03/20 11:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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One should read Feminism is for Everybody by bell hooks, it's an informative book. I am not any sort of 'radical feminist' or anything like that and I disagree with what a lot of 'radical feminists' are doing in their efforts to take away the rights of certain marginalized groups.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines]
#27021014 - 11/04/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: what are you smoking?
the seriousness of the issue it is very important that we get this all exactly right right? if we don't what will be left? transgenders in the wrong bathrooms on mars?
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337]
#27038245 - 11/14/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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What exactly is the difference between feminism and radical feminism? I've never had a problem with any feminist thinking, except Andrea Dworkin (all men benefit from rape). She's disturbing, but so was half of OP's post.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: Brian Jones]
#27038258 - 11/14/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP just find new friends and hang out with different people. Most of us never see this crap or deal with it in our daily lives. Most people just go eh it's dumb. If you live by a university or something just move. Not stuff worth getting worked up about lol.
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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: bodhisatta]
#27038830 - 11/14/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is the Gaia, earth goddess, return to environmental unity line of reasoning associated with feminist thought, is this where this type of pagan earthy female exhalation comes from?
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