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Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) 1
#27013949 - 10/31/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have absolutely no experience with grains. I got hulled instead of unhulled, which I was told was the wrong one. But ironically, the unhulled oats are almost inactive, and the hulled regular oats are coated with white mycellium.

What percentage are these colonized? One of the jars started getting orange growths, so its been removed, but 3 of them look like the ones seen in the pic. How long until I mix is with coco coir and throw it into a shoe-box? A lot of the teks describe how to do it, but I can't find one that gives timescales for colonization appearance/times.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: edgar1337]
#27015245 - 11/01/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What did you use to inoculate these and how did you do it?
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Mnemosynea]
#27015303 - 11/01/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They look recently shaked. If you didn't just shake them they look totally fucked
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27015396 - 11/01/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are the grains totally dry?
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Mnemosynea]
#27016609 - 11/02/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I boiled oats until a few oats started bursting, and when brokem open, they eventually turned from starchy white to hydrated gray - as called for in the tek.
I let them strain/steam dry for 90min, then waited further until they were no longer wet to the touch - as advised by BOD (drier the bettter)
I have shaken them recently, Should I stop shaking them? I thought it was good to spread mycellium. It looks dry far away but upon closer inspection you can clearly see the oat hulls are still gray and hydrated.
I mean come on, tone of bright white looking growth and everyones saying its botched? Really? Damm it. Knew it was too good to be true. It looks totally healthy to me, but I defere to the pros here as I am a noob.
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Edited by edgar1337 (11/02/20 12:15 AM)
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27016610 - 11/02/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: They look recently shaked. If you didn't just shake them they look totally fucked
I did shake them, what does that mean? If they werent shaked they'd be ruined or something? Should I stop shaking them? Current logic has been to break up the solid chunk that form by shaking it into little bits every day or two, or basically whenever it starts become a homogeneous blob - but should I just leave it alone.
And if its colonizing, what % would you say it is? What should it look like when its ready?
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Edited by edgar1337 (11/02/20 12:20 AM)
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: edgar1337]
#27016696 - 11/02/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shaking, while spreading the myc around, effectively damages it. I'm currently in the early stages of working with grain, but iirc, the standard approach is to wait till the jars is at least 30% colonised then give a good shake. After the shake you should let the myc fully recover and start spreading. Beyond that I'm not sure so will wait for someone to fill in the gaps/call me out on bullshit.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: coversall]
#27016859 - 11/02/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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In jars, shake once only. More than that and you’re disrupting organization Of the mycelial network too much, which could eventually lead to vulnerability to other organisms. If that’s all that’s happened so far though, I’d say to stop shaking and let it go. Seems you’re still early enough in the process that they could recover and take off.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Mnemosynea]
#27016984 - 11/02/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you just shook them, let them recover.. it looks like enough colonized grains are mixed throughout so you should be fine and not have to shake again. I’m not seeing anything wrong with the jars (yet—you’ll know if they don’t recover) if you just shook them.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: fahtster]
#27017149 - 11/02/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did my first grain jars about 2 months ago. I had 6 jars that looked healthy. At 30% colonized I shook 4 of the 6 just as a Experiment to see if it did speed up colonizing. Those 4 I shook got contams and the other 2 are fruiting nice shoe boxes. I have a 3lb bag about 60% colonized looking very healthy and I refuse to shake it. That’s just my experience.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Exstortion]
#27017535 - 11/02/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should be able to shake healthy spawn no problem... odds are you had bacterial or mold chillin in the spawn
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: fahtster]
#27017626 - 11/02/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it takes longer to colonize so be it. Someone told me a rye berry could break/burst while shaking the jar which can cause contamination. I just don’t want to risk it again.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Exstortion]
#27017726 - 11/02/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exstortion said: If it takes longer to colonize so be it. Someone told me a rye berry could break/burst while shaking the jar which can cause contamination. I just don’t want to risk it again.
I’ve shaken hundreds of jars and I can tell you unequivocally that shaking does not cause contamination. Maybe if something is weird, it could, but generally speaking those two things are not even correlated.
With regard to OP; as mentioned, give a shake around 30%.
This takes the blob of mycelium you have and breaks it up and moves it all around, almost as if you had done a g2g.
Now you have several inoculation points all over the jar and the mycelium can grow together completely more easily as it recovers.
Shaking the jars every day or two is completely counter-productive. The mycelium will never get a chance to recover and fully colonize.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: dirtybirdx]
#27017738 - 11/02/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your post makes me wanna shake my bag but I’m superstitious. That’s probably just the Sicilian in me.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Exstortion]
#27017809 - 11/02/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It’s funny, because I’m always afraid of not shaking especially if the bottom is the last part to colonize.
Maybe there’s less air exchange down there, but I’ve had wayyy more jars stall at 90-95% than I ever have had contaminated. Shaking and making sure I get some mycelium down in the bottom is something I don’t feel comfortable skipping.
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: dirtybirdx]
#27017820 - 11/02/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn I’m conflicted I really wanna shake it but .. I just gotta be patient
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Re: Are these grains ready? (used the wrong kind, but they still grew!?) [Re: Exstortion]
#27017831 - 11/02/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey but Edgar so far I think you are ok! I’m not a seasoned pro but I don’t see no contamination. Like other people said wait a week. Try not to look for a week imo. So you can really see differences. Good luck
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