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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27012792 - 10/30/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am very mixed on death, sometimes it horrifies me, and other times it seems fine.

My beliefs are relevant to my feelings here, so I should note I don't believe in any form of after life or reincarnation or higher power, but I actually tend to think the idea of reincarnation is more terrifying than simply being finished.

As time goes on though, I do notice the idea bothers me less and less, so who knows how I will feel when the time actually comes


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: Ezuma]
    #27012794 - 10/30/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think anything of the simulation theories? They dont influence any thought you may have about post death?

Basically, its agreed by mathematicians that reality resembles a computer generated simulation, and that its easily decuced that with more technology; humans will be able to produce indistinguishable simulations to this one. So that opens a lot of doors for thought, and obselefies a lot of previous ideas. :shrug: i like it


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: trees] * 1
    #27012829 - 10/30/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think anything of the simulation theories? They dont influence any thought you may have about post death?




simulation theories are a fun topic of discussion, but I don't think they should influence anyone's beliefs or choices for a number of reasons.

For one thing, the entire premise of simulation theory is that there are 3 options:
Option 1: civilizations don't reach the level of sophistication where they can build simulations, so there's no chance of us being one.

Option 2: civilizations do get to the point where they can create a viable simulation, but they for some reason never do. This one seems unlikely.

Option 3: civilizations do get there, and they do create simulations. Provided this is true, the theory says there are likely to be more simulations than real universes, and therefore, the odds of us being the 'real' universe, or the first civilization to get here are low.

Personally I have some problems with option 3, and with how flimsy it is yet how firmly some folks assert the likelihood of a simulation. For one thing, it is entirely possible that there are no civilizations capable of creating this, for another, its possible there are, but we live inside of the very real reality they also inhabit.
Personally since we 1. feel our reality to be real and 2. observation and science support the realness of our reality, and if it is simulated, either its a simulation so real that it in effect is real. I mean, we can't exist outside of this reality, and even if it was simulated, our science would likely never tell us anything to the contrary. So we're left either saying the rational thing to do is to treat our world as real, or dissolve into a slightly solipsistic idea that perhaps only our mind is real -as this would be much easier to simulate- but I find that pretty objectionable.

And then, even if we assume that our reality is a simulation, I don't think it really affects my view of death much, because if simulators created this reality, and all the beings in it, they could just as easily stop simulating us, or allow us to die in the simulation.

The only option that would influence my opinions is if we determined that we 1. are in a simulation and 2. we are in fact minds from a real reality, immersed in a simulation, rather than simply being simulated beings, and for some reason we are given this experience and then woken up into our 'real' life. Even then, once we wake up in the 'real' world, presumably death exists there too.


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: Ezuma]
    #27012832 - 10/30/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Besides, I find it quite easy to understand that I didn't always exist. If a mind can come into being, why shouldn't it go out of being again?

Personally I tend to think a big part of life is learning to accept the humbling position we are in, as temporary animals swelled up on too much self-gratifying mythology. Why shouldn't we die? Why can't it be final?


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27012842 - 10/30/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its interesting to be in the group of people who hopes for an afterlife, and seeing the other group who doesnt want afterlife.

Its like :youseethisshit: and you wonder whats so bad about their life that theyd rather not be here at all?

Obviously i dont know. For me my leanings on it definietly comes down to hope for an afterlife, not much more. im guessing that applies to many people


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: trees]
    #27012868 - 10/30/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Its interesting to be in the group of people who hopes for an afterlife, and seeing the other group who doesnt want afterlife.

Its like :youseethisshit: and you wonder whats so bad about their life that theyd rather not be here at all?

Obviously i dont know. For me my leanings on it definietly comes down to hope for an afterlife, not much more. im guessing that applies to many people




so true, I know what you mean. I go back and forth on this one, probably depending on what's happening in life on some level.

Oddly I think the idea of death scares me less when I'm feeling fulfilled and happy, and more when I'm feeling depressed or down in some way.


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: Ezuma]
    #27012937 - 10/30/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I would like to put forth the proposition that although we didn't always exist, we have always existed in the mind of the creator before we were born and we shall always exist afterwards in his mind and very likely in the hereafter as a continuation of things.


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Re: I'm quite bothered... [Re: Hartford]
    #27012947 - 10/30/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I would like to put forth the proposition that although we didn't always exist, we have always existed in the mind of the creator before we were born and we shall always exist afterwards in his mind and very likely in the hereafter as a continuation of things.



You can believe that, and it has a poetic symmetry that I admit is pleasing, but as far as I'm concerned there's zero reason to actually consider it a credible possibility. Obviously, this comes from being a bit of a materialist, but I do think given how mysterious and complex our lives are, the most sensible thing to do is remain skeptical of anything that can't be empirically indicated.

Not to say your belief is bad or that I don't understand the appeal, just that to me it seems a big leap


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