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Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence?
#27011302 - 10/29/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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From what I've heard about the initial open eye visuals, where everything in reality starts to "spiral out of place" it sounds like maybe these are Fibonacci spirals or Fibonacci Nautilus shell designs. I've never done dmt but it sounds like the visual hallucinations are very math based. Discuss the math and/or physics of DMT visuals.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] 1
#27011359 - 10/30/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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There can be mathematical shapes in DMT visuals, as well as Fibonacci type spirals and shapes I've seen many different sided sacred geometries. But that doesn't even come near the scope of the visuals. If you can imagine it, or even if you can't, it can become a reality within hyperspace. It is a mass of improbabilities heaped upon each other and thrown into a washing machine, with ebbs and flows and new scenes between each cycle.
Admittedly I have only smoked freebase alone once, I didn't like it much. But I've smoked changa more times than I can remember. Each journey inevitably starts with this purple that that cross crosses of blends or oscilates into the centre of my vision. The door becomes solid and then it strains. Sometimes it breaks and sometimes I shoot through it, sometimes the gate itself is the thing that starts morphing into other things. Those things can be sentient, or planets, or tunnels, or objects of crazey broken realities or even just light or darkness. It's never the same. There is this pattern on everything that stays the same when I open my eyes though, but I can't really explain it. Like LSD always has this pattern on everything, it's just like that, but uniquely different.
edit: just thinking about the visuals trying to explain it as best as possible and I can now smell it. It's funny the way it can imprint itself on you.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Northerner]
#27011414 - 10/30/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would presume there is a lot of trigonometry in dmt visuals.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27011423 - 10/30/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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the visuals remind me of bifurcation.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27011442 - 10/30/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: I would presume there is a lot of trigonometry in dmt visuals.
Sometimes, but other times it is completely random. So random. Fuzzy gold creatures, scorpions, streets carnivals, seeds that turn into foetus that turn into planets that guide you down to visit forests and spirits on them. Vortexes, tunnels, square rooms of black or white, long rooms or white or grey. Doors, portals, countryside, static, stars, fish, more static...
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27011473 - 10/30/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: the visuals remind me of bifurcation.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Trying to rationalise how the pattern works now.
LSD is more like a strobe mixed with fibonacci, whereas DMT is like bifurication with dimension hopping at the terminals.
Darn it's hard to describe.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Northerner] 1
#27011481 - 10/30/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're doing a pretty good job of it though,)
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Northerner]
#27011906 - 10/30/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The best description i can come up with is a bifurcation explanation. Its so far beyond normal description that words and concepts tend to slip right off like water on a duck.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27012072 - 10/30/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They definitely are fractal in nature...
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Northerner] 1
#27012154 - 10/30/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: .... I've never done dmt but it sounds like the visual hallucinations are very math based.
Everything is math based.
Consciousness to the cosmos, it's all the same thing, as above so below. Everything follows the same path/dynamic.
The same math and structures and dynamics that occur "out there" are also taking place "in there".
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LSD is more like a strobe mixed with fibonacci
LSD gives me a TON of Fibonacci based visuals.
Fractaling Fibonacci spirals/nautilus shells.
When I think of Fibonacci based visuals, LSD is specifically what comes to my mind .
I don't get much of that from DMT or mushrooms...tho mushrooms also give me some Fibonacci spirals from time to time they're a bit different in style/texture/color, still the classic Fibonacci spiral/form tho.
In general...a lot of the visuals I get from the classic psychedelics relate to math & geometry/"sacred geometry". But then there are other aspects of visuals that don't relate to math/geometry much like tracers, wood grain flowing like a river, things "breathing", contrast/brightness of colors, full on sequences of "visions", etc etc...I'm not saying all visuals are math/geometry based, but they make up most of what's going on for me, especially when I'm not bothered by a bunch of other incoming stimuli (eyes closed).
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27012265 - 10/30/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Vylie] 1
#27012304 - 10/30/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The difference between digital and non-digital are non consequential.
We have created a language to render our reality into a code. Math.
Natural vs artificial - everything is a product of nature so there is no true line between these things.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27012394 - 10/30/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: The difference between digital and non-digital are non consequential.
We have created a language to render our reality into a code. Math.
Natural vs artificial - everything is a product of nature so there is no true line between these things.
I also think that these concepts go in line with the simulation theory. Maybe by taking psychedelics and definitely DMT we are able to literally see the simulation and sort of break Free from The matrix or at least understand the math and the codes within the matrix. The computers we have in our reality can simulate nature pretty damn good. at the end of the day a computer conducts electricity because it has copper and other natural metals in it, the same exact chemicals found everywhere in the universe.
Maybe when we take psychedelics we are tuning into a special kind of electricity within ourselves.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27012426 - 10/30/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: Maybe when we take psychedelics we are tuning into a special kind of electricity within ourselves.
If you mean by short circuiting our brains receptors and turning the power up to 11, yeah sure.
Simulation theory is for people who cannot accept that they can't understand the universe completely, it's no more likely than a monotheist creator.
Smoke some spice man, it'll throw a great big spanner in the works of any ideas you have about it all being ordered or rational in any way.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Northerner] 1
#27012526 - 10/30/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How about this for a mindfuck about the universe: Einstein late in his life questioned his ideas and his life's work based on a very simple idea he stumbled upon -- since mathematics were created by humans there had to be an implicit anthropocentric (human) bias in how we interpreted the world and chose to describe it.
And that meant EVERYTHING WE KNOW about science and the universe could ALL BE A LIE, and math could be just be another mythology -- upheld by subconsciously overfitting the data to conform to our biases.
Damn.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: plut0]
#27012761 - 10/30/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why one should be weary of people with a plan.
We have a brain brought out of by a natural process and yet we expect it to understand where it came from? Or even understand the underlying segments of reality? The process is self limiting.
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27013217 - 10/31/20 02:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember watching a mandelbrot zoom on mushrooms, I was going "woooooo" the entire time thinking it was some kind of alien roller coaster
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Northerner]
#28055362 - 11/16/22 09:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That’s amazing that you and I share a lot of the same visuals. I saw the Fibonacci spiral made up of thousands puzzle pieces and scripted text I didn’t recognize, angels, mountains, water droplets. Then came the shiny golden fish. Not a gold fish a golden fish made up of more puzzles but it was completed thin and deflated like a ballon wading in water
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Re: Are DMT visuals based on the Fibonacci sequence? [Re: Superdarktimes]
#28055384 - 11/16/22 10:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Sure, but that's only a minuscule fraction of the experience, if even present at all.
Northerner hit the nail on the head with his reply. Don't really have much to add other than I wouldn't even know where to begin to describe the things I've seen.
Even typing that, I don't even know if "seeing" is a correct description of phenomena.
edit: I should add that I primarily freebase. I've done ayahuasca once but every other time has been freebase.
Edited by ask the dust (11/16/22 10:17 PM)
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