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brand nubian
the Strangler


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Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither?
#27009265 - 10/28/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello,
Sorry to not introduce myself. My name's Aaron and I live in Hawaii. I've only had one experience with psychedelics - a small dose of LSD; I remember bubbles animating on the dish washing bottle and Yo-Yo Ma playing the cello on a cd cover. My objective is to become more knowledgeable about psilocybin and it's benefits having struggled with mental issues for the past 15 years.
Currently I'm prescribed Lamotrigine for so-called "bipolar disorder" and Adderall because remaining focused is difficult. Mixing these substances is another concern I have..
That being said, I've come across a small patch of mushrooms around the area. A few days ago while attempting to upload the images - out of frustration and the uncertainty of psylocybin I decided against posting. After further research and consulting a family member, I again went to the area to retrieve more samples.
* There was a link on this website which led to Mushroom Observer. These samples seem to match the images and description provided. Also, another post had samples that looked very similar but I'm still requesting a confirmation to be safe.
DETAILS:
* Habitat: Small tropical garden area maintained by the park. The foliage ranged from tall bushes to colorful birds of paradise and a variety of palm trees. The mushrooms grew randomly throughout the surrounding area; the soil was particularly moist because of the recent downfall of rain.
* Location: Honolulu,HI * Gills: Dark Brown * Stem: Light Brown & White with blue tones * Spore: Blue * Scent: Not familiar with this; fresh and not pungent * Color when damaged: Blue to Black * Extra: --- Are these also known as "Blue Meanies"?
Habitat:

Exhibits 1 & 2:


Samples:


Thank you for all replies and any information provided.
Edited by brand nubian (10/28/20 09:03 PM)
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masspan
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: brand nubian]
#27009287 - 10/28/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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hi brand, the 2 pics you posted are not the same thing, don't ever eat anything you are unsure of ever
welcome, i hope you find clarity and knowledge here
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ZenZone



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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: masspan]
#27009306 - 10/28/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Welcome to shroomery!
That looks like some heavily bruising panaeolus. I'm not sure which.
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masspan
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: ZenZone]
#27009314 - 10/28/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's not, and this id request is lacking
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my mother said, to get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom...whose status is the baddest, everytime 'they' bless the apparatus
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brand nubian
the Strangler


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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: masspan]
#27009316 - 10/28/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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masspan said: hi brand, the 2 pics you posted are not the same thing, don't ever eat anything you are unsure of ever
welcome, i hope you find clarity and knowledge here

Thank you masspan. I'm very sorry for posting different images. My inexperience probably led to picking some and capturing others; thinking they're the same. Should I remove the Habitat Examples? There weren't many left today as the grounds workers more than likely cleaned the area.
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masspan
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: brand nubian]
#27009339 - 10/28/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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you shouldn't remove anything, this is a living record of people looking for things and sharing others experience, so even flawed id's and conversations serve to inform us all
when you request an id, you need to be consistent, thorough, and ultimately take responsibility for your choices
you do not have evidence of a blue spore print, which it wouldn't be but jet black, and these do not look like the same mushrooms
don't ever consume anything you do not know
this is not abuse, this is advice, be safe
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masspan
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: brand nubian]
#27009342 - 10/28/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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...and no need to apologize, everyone is learning, just be careful and thoughtful
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my mother said, to get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom...whose status is the baddest, everytime 'they' bless the apparatus
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brand nubian
the Strangler


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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: masspan]
#27009344 - 10/28/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Noted, thanks for the advice masspan.
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evlyshrooms
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: masspan]
#27009353 - 10/28/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wish there were more picture of these beauts. Interested to find out what these are as well, definitely looking mighty active. I'm guessing soil is enriched with manure of some sort
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masspan
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: brand nubian]
#27009359 - 10/28/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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my pleasure, and from what i have heard Hawaii is magnificent, spectacular
always ask questions, it's crucial
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my mother said, to get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom...whose status is the baddest, everytime 'they' bless the apparatus
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brand nubian
the Strangler


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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: evlyshrooms]
#27009367 - 10/28/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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evlyshrooms said: Wish there were more picture of these beauts. Interested to find out what these are as well, definitely looking mighty active. I'm guessing soil is enriched with manure of some sort
It's a very beautiful location with area's similar to this all over. I'll try and take better photos the next time around.
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brand nubian
the Strangler


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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: masspan]
#27009381 - 10/28/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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masspan said: my pleasure, and from what i have heard Hawaii is magnificent, spectacular
always ask questions, it's crucial

This is true  While it's great to live in Hawaii, and I do feel very fortunate, many grow tired of island life and long to visit the mainland; to experience actual seasons.
Oahu seems over-populated given it's size. If you're you're unfamiliar with the islands, I recommend doing a quick search on Molokai. Now that's a true paradise!
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: brand nubian]
#27009387 - 10/28/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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hawaii looks amazing
brand, keep exploring, check what grows there and watch the weather, that applies to any type of mushroom hunting, be good
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the man
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: masspan]
#27009476 - 10/28/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya first two are blue??
but pile looks like could have some pan cyans??
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Identification Help: Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus papilionaceus or neither? [Re: the man]
#27009598 - 10/29/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cyanescens group, likely a more rare species than Panaeolus cyanescens since it isn't growing directly from dung. First thing to do is check the spore length.
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