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The Weirdness of Datura
    #2700710 - 05/19/04 12:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've been reading trip reports about Datura on Erowid, and I was wondering if anyone here has ever tried it.  It sounds too weird for comfort for me.  :tongue:


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: MOTH]
    #2700735 - 05/19/04 12:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yes it has been tested. I don`t remember much of what happened but nothing bad happened at least. Its a dangerous and uncontrolable drug. the worst part is that you don`t realize that you are under the influence of datura and the most bizarre thing can seems like the most natural thing to do, including hurting yourself bad. my advice to you is to stay away, it is not worth it. But datura makes beatiful flowers in a garden at least :smile:


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: MOTH]
    #2701108 - 05/19/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've had two experiences with datura. Both are off of the strammonium variety because loads of it popped up locally when a nearby forest was cleared. The first was off of a tea made from flowers soaked in water for a day. Was delirious all night and groggy all the next day. The whole experience was just lying in bed wishing for it to die down enough to fall asleep.

Second experience was 5 or 6 fresh mature seeds, 2 leaves, and a flower. I had a pre-rolled cigarrette of a couple of the leaves that I smoked sometime during the experience but I don't even remember it. I was in my basement for most of the trip because it had begun storming at my outside campsite. Thunder started about the same time as my delirium. I remember very few things about that trip other than thinking the world would end-specifically looking up at the stormy clouds and seeing red/orange funnels coming down seemingly right for me. The thunder claps were bombs exploding in the distance. The next 12-20 hours was spent falling into trances and conversations with non-existant entities. Not something I will repeat.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: Organic]
    #2701711 - 05/19/04 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It seems that a lot of people have conversations with people that aren't there. I'm getting some datura one way or another. I'm not even ready to try it, but it'd be nice just to have. What uses does it give shamans?


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: LoneDeranger]
    #2701754 - 05/19/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think that if I was strapped down to a bed in a locked and rubber room I would try Datura. That way I could be certain that I wouldn't have blood on my hands when the effects wore off.

What DO shamans use it for?


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: MOTH]
    #2701934 - 05/19/04 05:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

What DO shamans use it for?




i saw this show on the discovery channel awhile back (Beyond Bizarre?), they had a shaman do it and they said that it's only poisenous if you prepare it wrong, they used the root and they did'nt show them prepraring it, I don't remember what he got out of the trip but they should scenes of him dancing around a fire with bird wings on and he talked about flying with his eyes closed and talking to his friend who helped prepare it but he was'nt there, this was the first time I heard of Datura.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: JCoke]
    #2702049 - 05/19/04 05:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

trumpet flower is used as a right of passage for shamans. it is consumed before a apprentice becomes a real shaman. at least in soem amazonian tribes.

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PS dutura is teh devil. and is very dangerous.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: the man]
    #2702119 - 05/19/04 05:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it seems damn evil. The more i read, the more i don't want to try it. I'm sure that i'll try it some time, because that's just the way things work. I gotta try it :tongue: Maybe extensive meditation would help the trip.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: the man]
    #2702143 - 05/19/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i have tried it and found it very similiar to a large dose of diphenhydramine. does anyone else think so?


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: procc]
    #2702325 - 05/19/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

procc said:
i have tried it and found it very similiar to a large dose of diphenhydramine. does anyone else think so?




It should be very similiar, as diphenhydramine is closely related to scopalamine.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: LoneDeranger]
    #2702751 - 05/19/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Datura had a very evil feel to it. Shamans probably use it to contact "the other side", but who/what/how you contact is not within your control.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: Organic]
    #2704130 - 05/20/04 02:32 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I was just reading at erowid about what this guy 'thinks' shamans use it for. He says that they use it to talk to entities, which he believes to be representations of yourself, heh.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: LoneDeranger]
    #2704447 - 05/20/04 04:31 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

There's no way I'll ever try datura :smile:


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    #2704717 - 05/20/04 09:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: ]
    #2704742 - 05/20/04 09:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Good and evil are false manmade concepts first of all. Secondly any tool in the hands of those not prepared to use it is very dangerous indeed. In the hands of a child a knife can only lead to destruction. However in the hands of a person who is knowledgeable and prepared to use it becomes a very useful tool which is also quite powerful in many ways.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2705127 - 05/20/04 12:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

However in the hands of a person who is knowledgeable and prepared to use it becomes a very useful tool which is also quite powerful in many ways.




Have you actually taken Datura? :stoned:


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    #2705200 - 05/20/04 12:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: ]
    #2705487 - 05/20/04 01:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

its not wether you are mentally prepared or not. it was less phycoactive then physically distructive. dries up mucas membranes making your throat and nose bleed with alot of pain. cannot see anything.

and i used it to pomote vivid dreams. so even using it as a tool can be destructive.

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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: Organic]
    #2705537 - 05/20/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yes.I have taken a hell of alot of things over the years.lmao.Some of which Im sure have permanently altered my mind.Others have permanently altered my views.

I myself find comfort in dark things.I am by my own nature dark.If you're expecting the specific effects of something it is much easier to deal with it than if you have no clue about it.One can ultimately control their mind no matter what.It's all about willpower.I personally practice shamanism btw.I dont use things recreationally.I also normally take lower end doses instead of higher end.I seek altered states of mind in which to do my work.I dont ever do anything just to get high and I definitely dont take large doses to get as high as I can.I only look for slight to moderate effects.


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Re: The Weirdness of Datura [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2706104 - 05/20/04 04:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

very small amounts can be useful as medicine or as admixtures to other drugs (check out donnagel-pg or donnatal - ulcer/nausea/diarrhea meds w/a pinch of belladonna alkaloids...)
& dats or bruggies are used as a regular additive to cimora (a sanpedro cactus drink of the andes), & often used as an admixture to jungle-recipe ayawaska brews (but not to sandaime or udv brews...), & it is an essential part of the recipe for alamout black hashish :wink: ...
might come in handy as an antidote to terrorist nerve gas attacks (or to accidental insecticide poisoning...)
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my little eyedropper bottle w/bruggie tincture is locked up in the special box, & also has "mr skull&bones" grinning atcha...
ymmv...


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